What is wrong with the nanny state?

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IRemember, please, that for most Europeans (like me), Russia is in Europe like Mexico is in North America (same would go for places like Serbia), geographically it may be so but ‘culturally’ “give us a break”.
I fail to understand what you’re getting at. Sure, Russian culture is different from other Europeans but since when is German culture, French culture and Italian culture homogeneous? I mean, the USA has subcultures itself – whether it’s New England versus Southern; West coast versus East coast, etc.

I consider Russians European.
 
I fail to understand what you’re getting at. Sure, Russian culture is different from other Europeans but since when is German culture, French culture and Italian culture homogeneous? I mean, the USA has subcultures itself – whether it’s New England versus Southern; West coast versus East coast, etc.

I consider Russians European.
It has to do with the statistics we’re dealing with and the state of Russia (the State of Russia, when it comes down to it). In comparison with Western Europe, Russia is something of the ‘Wild East’ . . . mind you, it always has been - despite the dreams of Russian regimes from Peter The Great onwards.

One day, when the EU stretches from Portugal to the Pacific . . . .

[Having lived in California for quite a while, I’m not unfamiliar with Mexico.]

As to whether German culture and Italian culture can be homogeneous - sometimes in my head, though I’m hardly the best translator between the two.
 
It has to do with the statistics we’re dealing with and the state of Russia (the State of Russia, when it comes down to it). In comparison with Western Europe, Russia is something of the ‘Wild East’ . . . mind you, it always has been - despite the dreams of Russian regimes from Peter The Great onwards.

One day, when the EU stretches from Portugal to the Pacific . . . .

[Having lived in California for quite a while, I’m not unfamiliar with Mexico.]

As to whether German culture and Italian culture can be homogeneous - sometimes in my head, though I’m hardly the best translator between the two.
Ah, thanks, I was just seeking clarification.
 
I’m sorry but I’m a bit lost as to where all this is.

Why don’t you just give a few examples of higher homicide rates in European countries than the US?

Remember, please, that for most Europeans (like me), Russia is in Europe like Mexico is in North America (same would go for places like Serbia), geographically it may be so but ‘culturally’ “give us a break”.
We’ve been out and about all day and are pretty tired.

Tomorrow I will see if I can print out the tables and then retype them in a format that I can post.

Meanwhile, click here and scroll down.

garymauser.net/papers.html

Scroll down to:

Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence.

Table 1 is on page 652 of the report page 5 of the “preview”]

Table 2 is on page 664 of the report page 17 of the “preview”]

Table 3 is on page 675 of the report [page 28 of the “preview”]

Table 4 is on pages 687- 688 of the report [page 40-41 of the “preview”]

Table 5 is on page 688 of the report [page 41 of the “preview”]

Table 6 is on page 689 of the report page 42 of the “preview”]

Try accessing the report and see how you make out. I’m sure there is a lot of information and data out there discussing this issue, but the report by Mauser is very interesting.
 
Try accessing the report and see how you make out. I’m sure there is a lot of information and data out there discussing this issue, but the report by Mauser is very interesting.
The only thing I can see that is relevant to my comment and you getting cross about it, Al, is a table: ‘International Homicide Rates & Gun Ownership’ which does seem to agree with my comment about Americans being just, well . . . more homicidal than Europeans.
 
…my comment about Americans being just, well . . . more homicidal than Europeans.
The prejudice existent in the comment itself would appear to cut into your integrity.

Pray tell…what does gun ownership have to do with the nanny state initially being discussed in this thread?
 
If you reduce the number of guns in circulation (bought lawfully) you will eventually reduce the availability of guns to criminals. Simple.
So how come in state after state when laws are passed to allow honest citizens to carry guns, violent crime goes down?
 
The prejudice existent in the comment itself would appear to cut into your integrity.

Pray tell…what does gun ownership have to do with the nanny state initially being discussed in this thread?
“Gun Control” is the essense of nannyism. “You can’t protect yourself. Get rid of those nasty old guns and let nanny do it for you.”

Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.😉
 
The prejudice existent in the comment itself would appear to cut into your integrity.
The pompousness existent in that comment itself would appear to cut into yours.
Pray tell…what does gun ownership have to do with the nanny state initially being discussed in this thread?
Ask the people who brought it up.
 
Proof? it’s self-evident ; european countries have far less gun-related crime than the U.S.
Riiight.
From The Times
London
April 23, 2008
Girl, 16, hid machine pistol under bed
LIVERPOOL A 17-year-old was sentenced to three years in a secure institution after she admitted hiding a machine pistol under her bed at her family home. Police said that the case was part of a growing trend for criminals to use vulnerable teenage girls from respectable families to look after their weapons.
Lindsay Shinkfield, of Huyton, Liverpool, was 16 when police found the Czech-made Scorpion gun in her bedroom in December. The weapon is favoured by drug gangs in Liverpool. She told officers that she was “minding” the weapon for another person whom she has refused to name. Detectives believe the gun was used in an incident in 2006 in which a person was injured. A police investigation is continuing.
Detective Chief Inspector Michael Shaw, part of Merseyside Police’s gun crime unit, said: “This was the perfect example of the type of young, vulnerable female of good character being targeted by criminals to assist them in the concealment of illegally held firearms.”
He added: “They [Scorpions] are as serious a weapon as one would expect to come across.”
Scorpions were never legal in Britain. So how would banning legal ownership have prevented criminals from having them?
 
Scorpions were never legal in Britain. So how would banning legal ownership have prevented criminals from having them?
It’s possible (but very difficult) for somebody to take a rabid animal into the UK, one rabid dog taken into the UK wouldn’t be a recommendation for general importation of rabid dogs.

Meanwhile, you’re ignoring the desire amongst the UK general public to have gun ownership illegal.
 
It’s possible (but very difficult) for somebody to take a rabid animal into the UK, one rabid dog taken into the UK wouldn’t be a recommendation for general importation of rabid dogs.
Do you have illegal drugs in Britain? How do they get there? Do you think the people who smuggle in the drugs can’t smuggle in something else?😉
Meanwhile, you’re ignoring the desire amongst the UK general public to have gun ownership illegal.
Meanwhile, you’re ignoring the desire amongst the US general public to have gun ownership legal
 
Do you have illegal drugs in Britain? How do they get there? Do you think the people who smuggle in the drugs can’t smuggle in something else?😉
There is no doubt that they do but that’s an argument for better controls not laissez faire.
Meanwhile, you’re ignoring the desire amongst the US general public to have gun ownership legal
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I should also add that I don’t actually care about the question of gun ownership in the US - whole business seems rather pointless when talking about a country with a couple of hundred million guns (or whatever). I didn’t care when we lived there and don’t now (I don’t think you’ve ever seen me make a judgment on American politics - didn’t when we lived there, either).

In other words “Not guilty as charged”.
 
There is no doubt that they do but that’s an argument for better controls not laissez faire.
Allowing people to defend themselves, while the police finish their coffee and doughnuts is simply unthinkable, eh?😛
 
Allowing people to defend themselves, while the police finish their coffee and doughnuts is simply unthinkable, eh?😛
What part of my statement that gun ownership in the US wasn’t something that I cared about did you find difficult?

I really, really mean it. It’s an American ‘thing’ and I’m not an American.

If your comment was supposed to be about the UK, you might consider the cultural imperialism inherent in imagining that British cops (and certainly Italian, French, German, Spanish) are wedded to an American icon - the ‘coffee and doughnuts’ cop.

The Gendarmerie and Caribinieri, even the Vigili Urbani, would do very much better! 😃

Different cultures.
 
What part of my statement that gun ownership in the US wasn’t something that I cared about did you find difficult?

I really, really mean it. It’s an American ‘thing’ and I’m not an American.
Thank you for recognizing that.,
If your comment was supposed to be about the UK, you might consider the cultural imperialism inherent in imagining that British cops (and certainly Italian, French, German, Spanish) are wedded to an American icon - the ‘coffee and doughnuts’ cop.

The Gendarmerie and Caribinieri, even the Vigili Urbani, would do very much better! 😃

Different cultures.
Right – however, I’ve lived in many countries, and not seen the sort of police efficiency of which you speak.

I’ve walked through neighborhoods in England (Rochester, for example) and seen burglar alarm signs on every home, “the club” in every car – the kind that locks both steering wheel and gear shift.

I never lock my doors, never lock my truck.

Can you truthfully say the same?
 
Thank you for recognizing that.,
I didn’t just recognize it - I proclaimed it from the start, you just didn’t notice!
Right – however, I’ve lived in many countries, and not seen the sort of police efficiency of which you speak.
The choice of snack foods isn’t a matter of efficiency, it’s a matter of taste. Good grief - you’re so convinced of the superiority of the American Way that you don’t believe that the Italians and French can’t find better snack food than doughnuts?
Can you truthfully say the same?
Hey, I bet you can leave your truck unlocked in Mongolia but what would that tell anybody? When I lived in California, we locked the cars.
 
The choice of snack foods isn’t a matter of efficiency, it’s a matter of taste. Good grief - you’re so convinced of the superiority of the American Way that you don’t believe that the Italians and French can’t find better snack food than doughnuts?
In point of fact, I recall being in a bus stuck on an overpass in Italy. We could see the traffic accident that was blocking traffic, and keeping us from entering the motorway.

Almost directly below us was a little eatery, with a police car parked in front. We sat and waited and waited.

Finally, the police came out, climbed into their car – and our Italian driver made an inimatable gesture and said, “Good Morning!”

:rotfl:
Hey, I bet you can leave your truck unlocked in Mongolia but what would that tell anybody? When I lived in California, we locked the cars.
The People’s Republic of Kalifornia – one of the states that imitates Europe.😛
 
In point of fact, I recall being in a bus stuck on an overpass in Italy. We could see the traffic accident that was blocking traffic, and keeping us from entering the motorway.

Almost directly below us was a little eatery, with a police car parked in front. We sat and waited and waited.

Finally, the police came out, climbed into their car – and our Italian driver made an inimatable gesture and said, “Good Morning!”

:rotfl:
Italy is, indeed, another country where they do things differently. You can’t see how the place can possibly ‘work’ but it does - wonderfully - that’s one of the reasons why it’s my favorite country.
The People’s Republic of Kalifornia – one of the states that imitates Europe.😛
I expect that’s why I ended up liking it so much.
 
Italy is, indeed, another country where they do things differently. You can’t see how the place can possibly ‘work’ but it does - wonderfully - that’s one of the reasons why it’s my favorite country.
So inefficient law enforcement is something you like?
I expect that’s why I ended up liking it so much.
No doubt if you’d been mugged or your home burglarized, you’d have liked it better.😛
 
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