What is wrong with Unitarian Universalism?

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I really do understand how a Catholic could become a Unitarian. For me, that is the ultimate choice. If I ever decide to reject the authority of the Church (God forbid!), I don’t see the point in joining another group that would tell me how to believe and behave with no authority at all.

If I did leave the Catholic Church, I would probably want the fellowship and tradition of weekly worship without the rules. Sometimes it sounds very appealing.

What I hope will keep me from ever making that foolish choice is a photo in our paper a few years ago that I found horrifying. It was a Unitarian minister, dressed in full liturgical regalia (he looked like a Catholic priest at Mass), "blessing" a new local abortion clinic.

THAT kind of moral relativism is exactly what is wrong with Unitarian Universalism.
 
Different Unitarian churches have different flavors.

This particular church I attended appeared to be open to all religions. The church had flags commemorating Islam, Hinduism, Budhism, Wicca and oher religions.

In summary, coming from Catholicism, you will find Unitarian Universalism, empty, boring and spiritually diluted.
I attended a friends wedding at a UU church, I had never heard of this denomination before. And I had the same sentiment. looking around the building, there were emblems and flags that appeared Muslim, Jewish, a cross here and there, but I did not get a sense of what the whole of the beliefs were… I did come away from the wedding feeling empty.
 
Sorry to come late to the game here, so to speak.

To answer the initial question, there is nothing wrong with Unitarian Universalism, though others here seem to disagree.

Now, to all the banter:

You cannot be a UU and believe anything you want. We have a set of seven principles that are used as a foundation of our faith. If you can’t support those principles, you probably won’t be happy as UU.

We also have six sources used in our faith. Among these are the Judeo-Christian teachings of loving and caring for one another.

Next, we are a covenental faith, not a creedal faith. Catholics are a creedal faith (you recite creeds professing you all believe in the same thing.)

We covenant to support each other in our search for truth and meaning, in the hope we can achieve our mission by changing ourselves, our communities and our world for the better.

UUs are not converted. There is no indoctrination, and you need not denounce any other religious beliefs you may hold.

It is correct to say we believe what we do is important, not just what we believe. There is a UU hymn that states we must live in the now, not wait for the hereafter.

By definition, we are unitarian. That means we don’t place any credence in the trinity. That is part of our history and has defined us since we grew up alongside the American Revolution.

Also by definition, we are universalist, which means universal salvation. Many Christians seem to live their entire lives in fear of eternal perdition.

That is why we often say UUs are “good for nothing,” because we believe in doing good works because it is the right thing to do, not because we expect some kind of reward for it.

We are not Christian, although we have members who describe themselves as Christian. We celebrate Christian holidays just as we celebrate Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and holidays of other faiths.

Many UUs would say Jesus was a wise man, or a wise teacher or rabbi. Many also do not believe in his divinity.

God, or the divine, is too big to be contained by one religion or faith process. We believe all faiths may contain some truth, that is why we study them. At the same time, we would probably agree that no one faith has “the truth.”

We believe the Bible can be a good religious text, but that there are others.

Some here have said we are too liberal because we accept all people, be they Gay, etc.

It is true we are a liberal faith. Universalists were either the first or among the first to ordain women.

Today, we support GLBT rights, including the right to marry, and Gay marriages are performed in many UU congregations.

But, I will be the first to admit that Unitarian Universalism won’t appeal to everyone.

Some people don’t like the idea of not being told what to believe. They like more structure, more dogma, etc., which is perfectly fine if it meets their needs.

Being a UU is not the easy road, as some have said, because we don’t expect God to help and we have no set of instructions.

We are not told what to believe, we must search that out for ourselves. And, if that road would lead some UUs to Christianity, or Islam, or Judaism, or Buddhism, that is fine too.

Or, you might think of it this way; Unitarian Universalism, where all your answers are questioned.

Peace,

Seeker
Thanks for posting. I followed the link in your signature, perused the site, and I think it’s given me some idea of where UU priorities lie. I’ve two questions.
  1. What does “spiritual growth” mentioned in the third of the seven principles look like in the UU context?
  2. Does the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations formally recognize sin and immorality?
Curiously,
Mick
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Gods Rest Ye, Unitarians” (UU Version)

Gods rest ye, Unitarians, let nothing you dismay;
Remember there’s no evidence there was a Christmas Day;
When Christ was born is just not known, no matter what they say,
O, Tidings of reason and fact, reason and fact, Glad tidings of reason and fact.

Our current Christmas Customs come from Persia and from Greece,
From solstice celebrations of the ancient Middle East.
This whole darn Christmas spiel is just another pagan feast,
O, Tidings of reason and fact, reason and fact, Glad tidings of reason and fact.

There was no star of Bethlehem, there was no angels’ song;
There could not have been wise men for the trip would take too long.
The stories in the Bible are historically wrong,
O, Tidings of reason and fact, reason and fact, Glad tidings of reason and fact!
 
=Holly3278;8322528]Hey everyone. Lately I have been having a lot of doubts about the Church and Unitarian Universalism has been on my mind. Can someone please show me what is wrong with Unitarian Universalism? It seems like a very loving and open minded religion. The one thing that gets me about it is that there can’t be more than one Truth. That is the one thing I have against it.
Hi Holly, what is your formation uin the Catholic Church been like?

No where in the entire bible did or does God [Yahweh or jesus Christ] even once permit belief in more than One God [Him /Triune], One set of Faith beliefs [His as secured, entrusted, garded and fully taught by the ONLY keeper of the key’s to heaven…Peter and Christ RCC], and One Church, that even secularist and historians MUST admit is todays RCC.

**Eph. 4: 1-7 **“I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body [WHICH MEANS ONE CHURCH] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, Meaning only One set of beliefs] one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift".

**Eph. 2:19-20 **“So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and **members of the household of God, [singular] **built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

**John.10: 16 “**And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”

READING “between the lines here” I get the feeling there are other issues bothering you? Care to share and discuss them? [Send me a PM if you’d like too?]

What is wrong with Unitarian Universalism? It is BUT a new and fancy name for “New Age,” a philosophy that claims: IT IS ONLY WRONG IF I SAY IT IS; AND DON’T JUDGE ME AND I WOUN’T JUDGE YOU. It is a CULT, not a religion, that writes and lives its own life and moral message.

No Sacraments, No Jesus, No forgiveness of sins because there “aren’t any” and no faith basis.

Holly, I’ll keep you in my daily prayers,

Heaven, Hell and Purgatory ARE real and for EVER.

God Bless you,
Pat
 
"Our history has carried us from liberal Christian views about Jesus and human nature to a rich pluralism that includes theist and atheist, agnostic and humanist, pagan, Christian, Jew, and Buddhist. As our history continues to evolve and unfold, we invite you to join us by choosing our free faith."
Unitarians and Universalists have always been heretics. We are heretics because we want to choose our faith, not because we desire to be rebellious. “Heresy” in Greek means “choice.” During the first three centuries of the Christian church, believers could choose from a variety of tenets about Jesus. Among these was a belief that Jesus was an entity sent by God on a divine mission. Thus the word “Unitarian” developed, meaning the oneness of God. Another religious choice in the first three centuries of the Common Era (CE) was universal salvation. This was the belief that no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit. Thus a Universalist believed that all people will be saved. Christianity lost its element of choice in 325 CE when the Nicene Creed established the Trinity as dogma. For centuries thereafter, people who professed Unitarian or Universalist beliefs were persecuted.

1st Last 3 Paragraphs - Found Here - “Unitarian Universalist Origins: Our Historic Faith” - By Mark W. Harris
"Christianity lost its element of choice in 325 CE when the Nicene Creed established the Trinity as dogma."
Today we are determined to continue to work for greater racial and cultural diversity. In 1977, a women and religion resolution was passed by the Association, and since then the denomination has responded to the feminist challenge to change sexist structures and language, especially with the publication of an inclusive hymnal. The denomination has affirmed the rights of bisexuals, gays, lesbians, and transgendered persons, including ordaining and settling gay and lesbian clergy in our congregations, and in 1996, affirmed same-sex marriage.

All these efforts reflect a modern understanding of universal salvation. Unitarian Universalism welcomes all to an expanding circle of understanding and choice in religious faith.

Our history has carried us from liberal Christian views about Jesus and human nature to a rich pluralism that includes theist and atheist, agnostic and humanist, pagan, Christian, Jew, and Buddhist. As our history continues to evolve and unfold, we invite you to join us by choosing our free faith.


Last 3 paragraphs - Found Here - “Unitarian Universalist Origins: Our Historic Faith” - By Mark W. Harris
"The denomination has affirmed the rights of bisexuals, gays, lesbians, and transgendered persons, including ordaining and settling gay and lesbian clergy in our congregations, and in 1996, affirmed same-sex marriage."
By the middle of the twentieth century it became clear that Unitarians and Universalists could have a stronger liberal religious voice if they merged their efforts, and they did so in 1961, forming the Unitarian Universalist Association…

More Here - “Unitarian Universalist Origins: Our Historic Faith” - By Mark W. Harris
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It appears that this denomination… if one could call it a denomination, not only rejects Catholicism, but rejects Christianity in general by their rejection of the Holy Trinity. This appears to be a “have God on your terms” religion, where anything goes… no concept of sin.

I felt uncomfortable just visiting the UU church website.
 
Eek! This sounds like the recipe for chaos and confusion!
Only if a person thinks of his answers as absolute. If thought of in more fluid terms, it isn’t that chaotic.

But it still can be confusing at times.

Peace,

Seeker
 
If the UU church believe that “no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit”, then where is the need to conduct homosexual marriage ceremonies? Where is the need for membership of this or any other church? What is sin? I believe that this is just another outlet to help people rationalize their own sin… to try to make it “go away” in their own minds… a way to remove any guilt from their past, current and ongoing sinful behavior.

Am I wrong?
 
If the UU church believe that “no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit”, then where is the need to conduct homosexual marriage ceremonies? Where is the need for membership of this or any other church? What is sin? I believe that this is just another outlet to help people rationalize their own sin… to try to make it “go away” in their own minds… a way to remove any guilt from their past, current and ongoing sinful behavior.

Am I wrong?
Yes, I believe you are wrong. Neither you nor others know what is in the mind and heart of others…to ascribe that they believe it is “just another outlet to help people rationalize their own sin…to try to make it “go away” in their onw minds…a way to remove any guilt from their past…” is something you do not know in any way shape or form…you cannot look into the hearts and minds of others and claim to know. I would venture to say that it may even border on “bearing false witness” and does not speak out of that Center of Love, Mercy or Peace…since you asked.

Those men and women with whom I have spoken with who happen to be gay or lesbian, seek to be joined in marriage before their faith tradition not to “rationalize their own sin”…but to celebrate their love for their partner and celebrate the dignity they experience by pledging their lives before God to one another.

Sometimes I wonder about those who claim to “partake of the body and blood of Christ”…yet their words seem to be void of compassion and mercy…since you asked.
 
Yes, I believe you are wrong. Neither you nor others know what is in the mind and heart of others…to ascribe that they believe it is “just another outlet to help people rationalize their own sin…to try to make it “go away” in their onw minds…a way to remove any guilt from their past…” is something you do not know in any way shape or form…you cannot look into the hearts and minds of others and claim to know. I would venture to say that it may even border on “bearing false witness” and does not speak out of that Center of Love, Mercy or Peace…since you asked.

Those men and women with whom I have spoken with who happen to be gay or lesbian, seek to be joined in marriage before their faith tradition not to “rationalize their own sin”…but to celebrate their love for their partner and celebrate the dignity they experience by pledging their lives before God to one another.

Sometimes I wonder about those who claim to “partake of the body and blood of Christ”…yet their words seem to be void of compassion and mercy…since you asked.
Hi Publisher,

So, you don’t believe that there are people who try to rationalize sin away, or believe that there are any members of this group, who left their denomination, for the purposes that I described?
Is that what you’re saying?
Thanks.
 
Hi Publisher,

So, you don’t believe that there are people who try to rationalize sin away, or believe that there are any members of this group, who left their denomination, for the purposes that I described?
Is that what you’re saying?
Thanks.
No friend, there may be…but you made quite a blanket statement…from those men and women I persoanally know…what you state is not the case at all.

Peace to you friend.
 
I’d never heard of this religion before, so I looked it up in the encyclopedia. It doesn’t say anything there about "rejecting’ the Trinity. Where is it that you got that information, please?
Hi Daddy Girl,
Welcome to CAF. It’s on their webpage, here -
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Unitarians and Universalists have always been heretics. We are heretics because we want to choose our faith, not because we desire to be rebellious. “Heresy” in Greek means “choice.” During the first three centuries of the Christian church, believers could choose from a variety of tenets about Jesus. Among these was a belief that Jesus was an entity sent by God on a divine mission. Thus the word “Unitarian” developed, meaning the oneness of God. Another religious choice in the first three centuries of the Common Era (CE) was universal salvation. This was the belief that no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit. Thus a Universalist believed that all people will be saved. Christianity lost its element of choice in 325 CE when the Nicene Creed established the Trinity as dogma. For centuries thereafter, people who professed Unitarian or Universalist beliefs were persecuted.

1st Paragraph - Found Here* - “Unitarian Universalist Origins: Our Historic Faith” - By Mark W. Harris *

Is this not a rejection of the Trinity?
 
No friend, there may be…but you made quite a blanket statement…from those men and women I persoanally know…what you state is not the case at all.

Peace to you friend.
No friend, there may be…

Ah, so you’re just as bad as I am…😃

but you made quite a blanket statement…

No, I made a general statement based on my own experiences. I hope that’s ok with you? I live in the real world (not saying that you don’t) and the real world is complicated. Therefore, the use of generalizations is sometimes necessary, especially when trying to make a point using less than ten million words…

from those men and women I persoanally know…what you state is not the case at all.

I have no problem with that.

Peace to you friend

And you too friend. 👍
 
Those men and women with whom I have spoken with who happen to be gay or lesbian, seek to be joined in marriage before their faith tradition not to “rationalize their own sin”…but to celebrate their love for their partner and celebrate the dignity they experience by pledging their lives before God to one another.

Sometimes I wonder about those who claim to “partake of the body and blood of Christ”…yet their words seem to be void of compassion and mercy…since you asked.
It is not merciful to confirm someone in their sin.

Just like you ought not celebrate a man’s profession of love for his robot. Or of a man who wants to be an “adult baby”. Or of any other kinds of activities which clearly take a man on a path of chaos and despair.
 
It is not merciful to confirm someone in their sin.

Just like you ought not celebrate a man’s profession of love for his robot. Or of a man who wants to be an “adult baby”. Or of any other kinds of activities which clearly take a man on a path of chaos and despair.
NINE WAYS OF BEING ACCESSORY TO ANOTHER’S SIN

  1. *]By counsel.
    *]By command.
    *]By consent.
    *]By provocation.
    *]By praise or flattery.
    *]By concealment.
    *]By partaking.
    *]By silence.
    *]By defense of the ill done
 
Yes, I believe you are wrong. Neither you nor others know what is in the mind and heart of others…to ascribe that they believe it is “just another outlet to help people rationalize their own sin…to try to make it “go away” in their onw minds…a way to remove any guilt from their past…” is something you do not know in any way shape or form…you cannot look into the hearts and minds of others and claim to know. I would venture to say that it may even border on “bearing false witness” and does not speak out of that Center of Love, Mercy or Peace…since you asked.

Those men and women with whom I have spoken with who happen to be gay or lesbian, seek to be joined in marriage before their faith tradition not to “rationalize their own sin”…but to celebrate their love for their partner and celebrate the dignity they experience by pledging their lives before God to one another.

Sometimes I wonder about those who claim to “partake of the body and blood of Christ”…yet their words seem to be void of compassion and mercy…since you asked.
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