What is your concept of humility?

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Annunciata:
All of the above is the reason why I chose my signature…
I have trouble w/ pride…I start my day on my knees w/ this as one of my prayers.🙂
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Yup, as long as our definition of humility is not the door mat mentality. Humility is letting yourself be laed by God, and knowing that out of our own 'powers" we can do nothing without God.
 
Wow! There is an awful lot of heat and unkindness in a thread titled humility.

In Christ,
Bob
 
Dear Miseri,

It does not surprise me that your answer to me is abrupt and adheres to justification for your animosity toward religious. Shall we try an older book than 14th century? the Bible? How about Lev. 21:8, “Honor him as sacred who offers up the food of your God; treat him as sacred, because I, the Lord, who have consecrated him, am sacred.”

Perhaps you will justify that as well, since it is Old Testament, even though it was God Himself who gave the mandate. Did He dismiss in the New Testament that men should no longer reverence His priests?

Coincidentally, I was reading Friday on the feast of St. Catherine of Siena, Doctor of the Church, some excerpts in her 14th century Dialogue. Our Lord specifically taught her that His priests must always be reverenced by all, in spite of their sinfulness, imperfections, and weaknesses, because they are ministers of God’s sacred mysteries. You might find the reading interesting. The entire text can be easily found on line, and if you look it up, you will note that the Lord is not blind to their failings and He laments them with much sorrow. Nor are we blind, either. However, it does not permit any of us to disrespect or irreverence them in word or action.

Your continual animosity throughout the forum with overtones of irreverence to clergy is highly offensive, whether it is justified in your mind or not, and I pray that you listen to our brotherly concerns about this.

Also, this unnecessary sidetrack is a disservice to Barbara who began the thread with a lovely topic. May we courteously return to it, please. If you want to continue discussion, kindly do so in P.M.'s.
 
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misericordie:
rayne. it’s funny or sad that you seem to philosophically contradict your own argument here. You state that I focus on by brother’s beam in the eye, but yet turn and do the same thing by accusing me. not once, but then you turn once more and try to validate your argument (when you realize it has very little weight) by stating there is a trend in my postings. This is a complete fallacy in your part, by not tackling the statement, but rather ME. When it comes to posts, all here: take a look at the posts of rayne, and you will realize that anyone who is not of the charismatic renewal and does not agree wither HER, will usually see her avenge, as she just did here. Oh yes, and as per the priest issue, it IS a lack of charity to NOT correct them, and take up the attitude that was fine 200 years ago: “father knows best.” Well, come on, we all know that this has not been the case, especially in the last three years. At the same token, there are many loving holy and Charitable priests who work WITH the laity but refuse to LORD over them. After all, if you read the letters of Saint Paul, he mentions that those in authority are not to LORD over others, but be in service to. I guess this is what Vatican II Lumen Gentium meant too. I also guess those who disagree tend to be from the PRE-Vatican II era.👍
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Geeze Mis, I wasn’t attacking you -just a little constructive criticism -sheesh. I have no idea what your talking about with the Charismatic renewel, I’ve** never** even been to a Charismatic renewel Mass.

And that post you quoted from - I didn’t actually say that to the people on the forum I was referring to (a non-catholic forum), I was venting my frustration here. This is completely off topic (I apologize to the OP) but the people I was referring to we pro-aborts and I didn’t say those things to them - I bit my tongue. I was just venting here, since Lisa posts on the same forum.

I’m not perfect nor have I ever claimed to be, if you think I was being uncharitable - I apologize.
 
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Joysong:
Dear Miseri,

It does not surprise me that your answer to me is abrupt and adheres to justification for your animosity toward religious. Shall we try an older book than 14th century? the Bible? How about Lev. 21:8, “Honor him as sacred who offers up the food of your God; treat him as sacred, because I, the Lord, who have consecrated him, am sacred.”

Perhaps you will justify that as well, since it is Old Testament, even though it was God Himself who gave the mandate. Did He dismiss in the New Testament that men should no longer reverence His priests?

Coincidentally, I was reading Friday on the feast of St. Catherine of Siena, Doctor of the Church, some excerpts in her 14th century Dialogue. Our Lord specifically taught her that His priests must always be reverenced by all, in spite of their sinfulness, imperfections, and weaknesses, because they are ministers of God’s sacred mysteries. You might find the reading interesting. The entire text can be easily found on line, and if you look it up, you will note that the Lord is not blind to their failings and He laments them with much sorrow. Nor are we blind, either. However, it does not permit any of us to disrespect or irreverence them in word or action.

Your continual animosity throughout the forum with overtones of irreverence to clergy is highly offensive, whether it is justified in your mind or not, and I pray that you listen to our brotherly concerns about this.

Also, this unnecessary sidetrack is a disservice to Barbara who began the thread with a lovely topic. May we courteously return to it, please. If you want to continue discussion, kindly do so in P.M.'s.
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That’s how YOU perceive it: projection?? I do correct clergy, but please, only the arrogant ones who insult all in their path. Many clergy are my good freinds, and this is how THEY themselves talk as regards the ultra arrogant ones. Therefore, before going on the politically correct ranting against me, first get all the facts, then leave out the emotions. can anyone cite Post Vatican II documents instead of things from the 14th, 13th and even 12th century as regards the attitude of SOME clergy and SOME nuns? :tiphat:
 
It does not surprise me that a thread on humility would be hijacked as it is the virtue that all virtues are built on. The devil is having its fun here especially since it was started in good will.

As far as tthe clergy, our divine Lord told St Faustina that whenever we criticize a cleric He is greatly offended. This admonition is repeated within many of the Saints’ lives. Miseri, I have posted this in another post and yet you continue your tirade. It is offensive as there has been many great loving suggestions given to you. You totally disregard them.

All the quotes given on this thread are excellent ones on humility whether taken from a 14th century book or not. THERE IS NO TIME IN HUMILITY. Just like there is no time in love and mercy. Please read Sr Faustina’s diary to build on these virtues and learn forgiveness from your heart.

Let go, Misericordie…or change your username.

Christ is risen…truly he is risen!
Shoshana
 
I’m amazed at the amount of hate that is on this site. It’s really sad that those of us who really have questions and would like to join groups that study the gospels and spread the good news of Jesus have got to put up with the hate spreaders.:blessyou:
 
Dear friends

When I think of a Saint who showed profound humility, I think of St Philip Neri, he also did holiness with a good measure of humour and tried to, by humility, show those he instructed not to take themselves too seriously…

Here is the link in respect of his life and some of his teachings…happy reading and I hope it raises a smile or two…

catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=97

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
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misericordie:
Yup, as long as our definition of humility is not the door mat mentality. Humility is letting yourself be laed by God, and knowing that out of our own 'powers" we can do nothing without God.
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Oh…I forgot to mention that I end my day on my knees as well…
My idea of humility is certainly not being a doormat!!😦
It’s trying to be as much like Christ as I can possibly be always depending on His Mercy and His Grace…:gopray2:
 
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Annunciata:
Oh…I forgot to mention that I end my day on my knees as well…
My idea of humility is certainly not being a doormat!!😦
It’s trying to be as much like Christ as I can possibly be always depending on His Mercy and His Grace…:gopray2:
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Okay, but why the focus on you?? Or is it on prayer?
 
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misericordie:
Okay, but why the focus on you?? Or is it on prayer?
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Focus on me?.. Well, my dear, if I don’t begin w/ me…then where will my prayer life be??? I’ll just be another one of those clagging gongs!!!:eek:
 
Hard to say… I’m pretty broke, so I suppose I should be humble, but I’m way too good-looking to go that route! 😃

Peace!
 
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Annunciata:
Focus on me?.. Well, my dear, if I don’t begin w/ me…then where will my prayer life be??? I’ll just be another one of those clagging gongs!!!:eek:
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I love the Litany of Humility. I found it about 6 months after coming into the Church, and thought, what a great prayer, but I don’t want any of those things! About a 6 months after that I ran into it again and just ruefully shook my head. Yeah, I didn’t want those things, which is exactly why I needed the prayer!

So since then almost every time I spend before the Blessed Sacrament starts with that prayer. Half the time I have to chuckle during it because it brings my attention back to the times that day when I have succumbed to the desire to be loved, approved, consulted, extolled etc. Its a very grounding prayer for me and gets me spiritually on my knees before going into the rest of my prayers. Puts my gripes into perspective so to speak.

As far as what is humility? To me, I think its seeing my faults as being my fault; seeing my adversities as being less than I deserve; seeing my gifts as being blessings from God, that, with discernment and direction, I hope to return to Him in the manner that He desires, rather than to bury or deny them self effacingly; to see my blessings as abundant and more than I deserve; to seek His presence in my life, to rejoice in it and to respond to it.

In our relationship with others, I think humility is recognizing that often we are most annoyed by the faults in others that we detest in ourselves, and so to look inward when we are annoyed by others. It is also to rejoice in the spiritual and material blessings that others receive, without envying or belittling the same.

All things I am only beginning to recognize, and far, far from achieving, but I rejoice that I even desire to aspire to humility, which in and of itself is evidence of a great conversion in my life.

In Christ,
amy
 
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Jenlyn:
The Litany of Humility

O Jesus! meek and humble of heart, Hear me.*

From the desire of being esteemed, Deliver me, Jesus.*
From the desire of being loved, "
From the desire of being extolled, "
From the desire of being honored, "
From the desire of being praised, "
From the desire of being preferred, "
From the desire of being consulted, "
From the desire of being approved, "
From the fear of being humiliated, "
From the fear of being despised, "
From the fear of suffering rebukes, "
From the fear of being calumniated, "
From the fear of being forgotten, "
From the fear of being ridiculed, "
From the fear of being wronged, "
From the fear of being suspected, "

That others may be loved more than I, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be esteemed more *than I, "

That, in the opinion of the world,
others may increase and I may decrease, "

That others may be chosen and I set aside, "

That others may be praised and I unnoticed, "

That others may be preferred to me in everything, "

That others may become holier than I,
provided that I may become as holy as I should, "
—Rafael Cardinal Merry del Val (1865-1930),
Secretary of State for Pope Saint Pius X
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Wow, the Litany of Humility is beautiful, and thank you for posting as I had never seen it before. :blessyou: . I went with praying for God’s Grace to live out Humility becuase I think out of Humility we can try but never fully grasp the virtue. Perhaps after we die and Lord willing are in Heaven, our grasp will be perfect, but that is up to God. 🙂 Thanks and God Bless.
 
the holy rule of St Benedict says (chap 5) the first step of humility is unhesitating obedience, which comes naturally to those who cherish Christ above all. the second step (chap 6) is restraint of speech. Chapter 7 is all about humility. Humility is equated with the desire to reach heaven. Jacob’s ladder, ascending and descending, is the analogy used. the steps of humility are: fear of the Lord, submission to God’s will, submission to one’s superior, obedience under difficult or unjust conditions, confession of one’s sinful thoughts, acts and omissions, contenment with low and menial treatment, conviction of one’s own unworthiness, obedience to the rule of the monastery, control of the tongue and sacred silence, restraint of undue laughter and mirth, speaking gently and modestly, and maintaining posture and conduct reflecting humble attitude.
 
I’m finding all the posts in this thread informative and at times very humbling (a jolly good thing!) and some strike me as worthy of imitating. The nun who taught me in College once remarked “never be afraid to imitate good example” and one of those things that have stayed with me since my teenage years way back.

Where humility and perhaps all the virtues are concerned, while I may strive to impliment a concept I have of humility, I am ever conscious of the words of St. Paul who would have to be my most popular ‘author’ “why is it I find myself doing those things I have made up my mind not to do and what can save me? Why nothing but the Grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ”…so while hoping that God will see my goodwill in desiring and striving for my concept of humility…and I most often am reminded of my dismal failures and come to Him for the Grace that will save me, I am ever prayerful that He will grant me the great Grace of Humility in Truth.

Regards, Barb
South Australia
Wed. 4/5/05 5.32am
 
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Annunciata:
All of the above is the reason why I chose my signature…
I have trouble w/ pride…I start my day on my knees w/ this as one of my prayers.🙂
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You and me both, sister! 😉 Pride is my number one fault and I try to pray this as often as I remember to. I would like to memorize it so when things arise a sentence from this pops into my head, sort of like a short prayer.

That country singer sang it best…“Oh, Lord it’s hard to be humble…” :whistle: I need to forget the rest of the line “when I’m perfect in every way” but it’s hard!!! :crying:

Peace,
Jen
 
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puzzleannie:
the holy rule of St Benedict says (chap 5) the first step of humility is unhesitating obedience, which comes naturally to those who cherish Christ above all. the second step (chap 6) is restraint of speech. Chapter 7 is all about humility. Humility is equated with the desire to reach heaven. Jacob’s ladder, ascending and descending, is the analogy used. the steps of humility are: fear of the Lord, submission to God’s will, submission to one’s superior, obedience under difficult or unjust conditions, confession of one’s sinful thoughts, acts and omissions, contenment with low and menial treatment, conviction of one’s own unworthiness, obedience to the rule of the monastery, control of the tongue and sacred silence, restraint of undue laughter and mirth, speaking gently and modestly, and maintaining posture and conduct reflecting humble attitude.
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:amen: A prideful heart has no place in heaven!
 
Jenlyn said:
:amen: A prideful heart has no place in heaven!
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A proud heart will never make into heave…

Christ is risen…truly he is risen!
Shoshana
 
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