What is your view on the 2nd Death?

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I have always wondered on this subject, about the burning in the lake of fire and brimstone at the time of the 2nd death.

Is the second death, a loss of the spirit body? and does the person end up with a formless spirit?

In Mormonism, we gain a spirit body prior to gaining our present physical body, so we end up being made up of Body, Soul, and spirit parts.

In many Near Death Experiences some are seen as being in a formless spiritual state, and others are seen as spirits with a body like unto the physical body.
At what time do you think the spirit, and the spirit body(soul) are formed prior to a mother’s conceiving of a new human?

So do you think the 2nd death, is the complete distruction of the spirit body(soul) ?
 
The Catholic belief is that the eternal God creates our soul (which is our spirit) at the time of our physical conception. We don’t exist in any way before this.

I think the second death refers to the loss of our eternal happiness with God, for anyone who ends up in hell. If sanctifying grace (God’s life) is not present in our soul when we die, then our soul as well as our body is dead. Not dead as in ceasing to exist, but dead to eternal life in Christ. Maybe someone else will comment on this.
 
Geocacher said:
I have always wondered on this subject, about the burning in the lake of fire and brimstone at the time of the 2nd death.

Is the second death, a loss of the spirit body? and does the person end up with a formless spirit?

In Mormonism, we gain a spirit body prior to gaining our present physical body, so we end up being made up of Body, Soul, and spirit parts.

In many Near Death Experiences some are seen as being in a formless spiritual state, and others are seen as spirits with a body like unto the physical body.
At what time do you think the spirit, and the spirit body(soul) are formed prior to a mother’s conceiving of a new human?

So do you think the 2nd death, is the complete distruction of the spirit body(soul) ?
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**The Bible teaches that there is only one time in which a person is appointed to die, and after that “the judgment.”

The Catholic Church teaches that at the moment of conception the human being is infused with soul or an immortal aspect which survives physical death. We do not exist as a being prior to our physical birth. Origen and some early theologians taught this but it never caught on. However, we did exist in the mind of God.

It is my personal contention that the soul exists within our body and saturates every aspect of it. The soul is what also gives the body its intellectual capacity to reason. When we physically die, it is the immortal part of us that is released into a spiritual realm.

In near-death experiences, the person is aware of others around him or her, and may even physically ‘see’ the immediate environment. But the person never actually sees himself or herself. They do, however, perceive others who have gone on before them in a similar way as they recognized them on earth.
I am not sure if this is a part of the function of the soul or is simply an extension of ourselves in a physical way in some way. It’s an interesting concept, to say the least.**
 
The 2nd death will happen when all those, from the fallen angels to those dragged from hell, are formally sentenced at the Great White Throne Judgement. We will see them thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is called the Second Death.

We are not privy to exactly what it is. We do know that those in hell suffer pain form fire and a constant thought of their unrepented sin.

From Scripture we know that Lazarus knew who he was, where he was, and why he was in hell. There was no mercy for him, no relief offered or given. No hope. No Father.

So, it stands to reason that the Lake of Fire must go farther in its punishment for eternity. I offer no proof, but, I tend to accept a theory that the sin each committed is now no longer just yours but you share in the wholness of the evil all have committed. Where one sin started does not end with only that sin, but blends into all the other evil. You are one with Evil. All memory of the “before” in life, all memory of God, dies. You are Evil and it will pain you forever and forever.

I have no interest in ever experiencing the 2nd death. Thank you Jesus for your Death. You did it for me. Wow.
 
As I understand it, at the second coming, everyone will be resurrected and given a glorified body. Even the damned. So if we go to hell we exist there in a physical form. For eternity.
 
thomasf said:
As I understand it, at the second coming, everyone will be resurrected and given a glorified body. Even the damned. So if we go to hell we exist there in a physical form. For eternity.
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Hello There All,

I am agree with you thomasf. Well from islamic point of view there is a place in the sky that is called rooh-e-mahfoz where muslim i do not know if its with Non-Muslims. So that place our soul will gone there and stay there till judgement day. Everyone will be resurrected from there grave and come together in some place in Arab called testifying ground (hasar-ka-madan) where we will all be acknowledge with our good and bad deeds on judgement day. And those good and bad deeds continuously writing in our right and left shoulders by two angles.And those angels are with us all the time. i do not know those angles names. Right side one writing good deeds and left one writing bad deeds. I do not know the procedure of God how will he calculate the good and bad deeds. But what i heard who’s measure scale going to right side all the way will be giving tiding for heaven and who’s measure scale going towards left side all the way will be giving tiding for hell. From muslims view who are intitle for hell will suffer for some point of time in hell. Where Prophet Muhammad PBUH request from God for their forgiveness. And God going to listen the request from him and All muslims will go in heaven live there eternallife in heaven. Ameen Sum Ameen
 
tomshaikh said:
Ooops sorry i scared you from my previous post. But everyone have to taste one day death both animal or human.
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**The Scriptures state that every person has an appointed time to die ‘once’…and then "the judgment. I do not see anything about a ‘second’ death. **
 
Sorry, I meant the rich man in hell and he saw lazaraus in Paradise. I is a dummmmmmmyyyy.
 
peary said:
**The Bible teaches that there is only one time in which a person is appointed to die, and after that “the judgment.”

The Catholic Church teaches that at the moment of conception the human being is infused with soul** or an immortal aspect which survives physical death. We do not exist as a being prior to our physical birth. Origen and some early theologians taught this but it never caught on. However, we did exist in the mind of God.

It is my personal contention that the soul exists within our body and saturates every aspect of it. The soul is what also gives the body its intellectual capacity to reason. When we physically die, it is the immortal part of us that is released into a spiritual realm.

In near-death experiences, the person is aware of others around him or her, and may even physically ‘see’ the immediate environment. But the person never actually sees himself or herself. They do, however, perceive others who have gone on before them in a similar way as they recognized them on earth.
I am not sure if this is a part of the function of the soul or is simply an extension of ourselves in a physical way in some way. It’s an interesting concept, to say the least.
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First, I will state that I experienced what you describe in the last paragraph of your post. I fell 4 floors on the job as an Ironworker, and was “dead” for 6 minutes. Yes, I was aware, but no, I saw no “self” as separate from anything else.

Second, if the soul gives us our capacity to reason, then where is our reason when we are born as an infant? Where is it until we learn the language we think in?

Awareness is there, and hence, as infants, we cry when we are hungry or tired, yet there is no identification as ourselves as “I”. If I was “born” Aware, how do I know for sure that I was not always aware?

Regards,
Mike
 
Peary:

You can go to Rev 2:11; 20 & 14; and 21:8

There you will read about the Second Death
 
mike7795 said:
if the soul gives us our capacity to reason, then where is our reason when we are born as an infant? Where is it until we learn the language we think in?

Awareness is there, and hence, as infants, we cry when we are hungry or tired, yet there is no identification as ourselves as “I”. If I was “born” Aware, how do I know for sure that I was not always aware?

Regards,
Mike
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Our intellect grows along with our physical body.
 
peary said:
Our intellect grows along with our physical body.
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So, the intellect is learned? Is the intellect the means to aquiring Truth?

How can anything that is learned AFTER we already are be the Truth? Does Truth follow our existence, or do we follow Truth?

Thanks,
Mike
 
Doxiemom said:
Peary:

You can go to Rev 2:11; 20 & 14; and 21:8

There you will read about the Second Death
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Revelation 2:11 refers to the “eternal death” or “eternal darkness”
when sinners will receive their final punishment. It is ‘death’ to the love and mercy of God, but it is not annihilation. I suppose you could refer to it as a death. Obviously, Revelation does. The way I read it, this will happen on the “last day” when all souls will be re-united with their bodies. For those who are in heaven, they will have glorified bodies. For those in hell, it means eternal banishment.
 
peary said:
Revelation 2:11 refers to the “eternal death” or “eternal darkness”
when sinners will receive their final punishment. It is ‘death’ to the love and mercy of God, but it is not annihilation. I suppose you could refer to it as a death. Obviously, Revelation does. The way I read it, this will happen on the “last day” when all souls will be re-united with their bodies. For those who are in heaven, they will have glorified bodies. For those in hell, it means eternal banishment.
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peary,

you’re a reasonable person. Tell me how many people in your life you know that you would banish to hell for a second, third, fourth, etc., death.

My guess is none.

So what does it really mean? Is it figurative or literal?

Thanks,
Mike
 
mike7795 said:
peary,

you’re a reasonable person. Tell me how many people in your life you know that you would banish to hell for a second, third, fourth, etc., death.

My guess is none.

So what does it really mean? Is it figurative or literal?

Thanks,
Mike
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**It’s not my doing to banish anyone to Hell! (although there are few I think belong there). It is my understanding that the Church teaches that on the “last day” all souls - both of the wicked and the just - will unite with their bodies. Those in Heaven will have glorified bodies; those who are in Hell now will also be united with their bodies but will then either cease to exist or will be banished. This “second death” is what is being referred to here. It’s scriptural.

Now, is it figurative or literal? Jesus, although He uses figurative speech to get the point across, is attempting to describe something of a spiritual reality with regard to the final judgment of humanity. That’s how I look at it.**
 
peary said:
**The Scriptures state that every person has an appointed time to die ‘once’…and then "the judgment. I do not see anything about a ‘second’ death. **
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Well before judgement day happened Angel Israfeal will blow from his mouth i do not know what it called. It will be terrible sound which blast ear drum of human. I forgets what its called its being 10 years since i migrated from my native land to USA. So from that sound we all will awake from our graves and gettogether in testifying ground i.e Hashar-Ka-Madana. I donot know about second death may be it will happened after judgement day. I donot know i forget the situation of judgement day. Environment of end times mentioned in Quran. like when its happened mountain will blow like cotton. Sun will rises from west instead of east. All that kind of stuff
 
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