What JIL and INC Means

[janstar_21]

JIL means Jesus Is Lord (one sect of religion in the Philippines more of Protestant like- they believe in the Holy Trinity but accuses Catholics of idolatry because of BVM and the saints). INC means Iglesia Ni Cristo (one sect of religion in the Philippines where they believe that Jesus is Lord but not God. They don’t celebrate Christmas.)
Do Catholics and Protestants have different Bible version? What are their differences, if there’s any?

 

[Traditional_Ang]

janstar_21:

JIL means Jesus Is Lord (one sect of religion in the Philippines more of Protestant like- they believe in the Holy Trinity but accuses Catholics of idolatry because of BVM and the saints). INC means Iglesia Ni Cristo (one sect of religion in the Philippines where they believe that Jesus is Lord but not God. They don’t celebrate Christmas.)
Do Catholics and Protestants have different Bible version? What are their differences, if there’s any?

Fanstar:

I would have to know more about JIL - There’s a whole bit of Christology from 7 Ecumenical Councils that most Protestants get but just don’t know where they get it from…

The INC sounds like Jehovah’s Witnesses or something along those lines. They’re heretics as defined by the Council of Nicea.You’ll probably find out that they use a mistranslation of the Bible which has several passages altered so that the Divinity of Jesus can’t be supported using their translation.

The only thing you can do with those folks is to learn some Greek, keep an Interlinear Greek-English NT (RSV is the best Translation for these because it’s a fornal tranlsation which will closely mirror the word for word interlinear) on hand, and be prepared to show them where their translation has “Missed the boat” (John 1:1 is one of the most glaring examples).

For the first group of people, you need to be sure what Mary does in the Church, how she always leads people to her Son (See the Wedding at Cana), what respect and devotion to the BVM are and how they are NOT the worship to be accorded her Son, how even the early Christians called her “Theotokos” and “Ever-Virgin” (some Patristics required here), and you need to know the Scriptures relating to Mary (Like the woman clothed with the sun about to deliver a child in Revelations) so they can see that reverence for the “Ever-Virgin Theotokos” is something that shows respect for her son and is scriptural.

It’s not easy, because you have to get them to look at the actual Teachings of the Church Fathers and what the Church actually does and what the Chriptures really say. To do this, you’re going to need to be living a life that will be enough of a light that the protestanst will want to look at these, and then you’ll have to know these or know where to find them on short notice.

I think this will take some learing and living before you’re ready to talk to either group.

In Christ, Michael

 

[anawim]

janstar_21:

INC means Iglesia Ni Cristo (one sect of religion in the Philippines where they believe that Jesus is Lord but not God. They don’t celebrate Christmas.)

In case you haven’t seen it, CA has a tract on this group.

Do Catholics and Protestants have different Bible version? What are their differences, if there’s any?

The biggest difference in the canon. Protestants use 66 books. Catholics use 73.

 

[antonyrp]

Please visit and participate in the INC debate site to know more about the distinctive doctrines of Orthodox christianity and the teachings of the INC dynastic cultism.

network54.com/Forum/84590/

 

[Traditional_Ang]

antonyrp:

Please visit and participate in the INC debate site to know more about the distinctive doctrines of Orthodox christianity and the teachings of the INC dynastic cultism.

network54.com/Forum/84590/

antonyrp:

*I am amazed that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by (the) grace (of Christ) for a different gospel (not that there is another). But there are some who are disturbing you and wish to pervert the gospel of Christ.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed! Gal 1:6-9 NAB*

I’m not going to risk Catholics who don’t KNOW their Christology, and aren’t firm in the faith that Jesus Christ is True God and True Man by agreeing to a suggestion that they go to a heretical website which teaches a Gospel other than the one they received so that they can learn the “distinctive doctrines of Orthodox christianity and the teachings of the INC dynastic cultism”,

The ONLY reason for a Catholic to go to a Website such as that is that he or she can learn how to answer people who believe in that kind of heresy so that they can help them see their error.

I would much rather that Catholics learn who Jesus Christ is by studying the Scriptures, the early Ecumentical Councils (with their Canons and Creeds), the Early Church Fathers and by taking a couple of classes here or at their locals perishes.

After that, when they KNOW that Jesus is God the Son crucified and risen from the dead for our salvation, they might be able to convince a couple of the people in the INC of the truth of the Gospel and about the error of their heresy.

Until then, I’d rather they go nowhere near that site - It can only lead them astray. And, as You can see from the following, according to the Church, heresy can result in the loss of salvation and can make it very difficult to get it back:

From the Athanasian Creed:

*Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith; Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

And the Catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.

,Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.

For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead; He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies; and shall give account of their own works.*

sacred-texts.com/chr/athacree.htm

I this makes my thinking on this clear.

In Christ, Michael