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johnnykins
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Might I suggest that as to the “begatting” and other lists - just skim all that. There are several places in the OT where you’ll find you get the gist just fine without knowing all the numbers and geneology.
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stanmaxkolbe
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Does anybody read the other posts? I answered that in Post #29. Nothing against you it’s just I just noticed retech said almost same thing in Post #40.
P.S. GarryOwen I noticed your name was you ever in the 7th U.S. Cav because that was our song. :dancing:
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puzzleannie
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JMJ Theresa:
this is an excellent idea for a “first dip” into the OT to get the over-arching story, who’s who, the players, and the Chronology. Also a good illustrated children’s bible will have lots of pictures of what people wore, ate, their homes, animals, crops, what the temple looked like etc. which are extremely helpful.
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NPS
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Especially good advice here by puzzleannie:
As others have done, I strongly recommend Peter Kreeft’s You Can Understand the Bible which is a great guide to each book in the bible.
Don’t look at the bible as something to get through–as a sort of noble task to accomplish. Look at it as something to understand. Get an overview of the OT, then read it. It’s not necessary to know the OT like the back of your hand. You can always go back to OT books you haven’t read. Know the New Testament like the back of your hand. Understand all the who, what, where, why etc etc on all of those NT books. To me, knowing all the who, what, where, why etc of all the NT books is more important than reading First Samuel or Judges (etc). Knowing all that NT stuff is especially important when you find yourself in the (sometimes) uncomfortable position of defending your faith. To satisfy yourself that you are not letting yourself off the hook by not reading the bible straight through you can keep a chart of which books you have read in the OT until you have read them all.
Anyway, unless you know the general overview of the OT you may go into Fog-Reading and just push through it to say “I made it!”
It’s actually sort of fun when you get the OT overview and understand what’s going on. Otherwise you sometimes fog-read through five or six chapters and say to yourself…“what the heck was that about?”
Throw the KJV in the drawer or give it to someone and get a Catholic bible. Grab either a New American Bible or Revised Standard Version-Catholic Edition.*
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rciadan
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I would highly recommend the Douay-Rheims (Challoner 1899) I would also stress a good commentary such as the Haydock Commentary. www.drb.org is an excellent site with a search engine that allows you to look up single words or phrases in either the old or new testaments. Also online is www.haydock1859.tripod.com, which provides an awesome introduction concerning which version to read and how to correctly study the Holy Scriptures. A must read!I decided that during Lent, I was going to read the bible since I’ve never been able to get past the first 10 pages.
I broke out my bible and started on Ash Wednesday. I am still in Genesis.I’m reading a King James Version. Is there a different one out there thats easier to read??? The “thee” and “thou” stuff never bothered me because I like Shakespeare, but the names of some of the people are really difficult. It seems like they all have an apostrophe in them.
Its also hard to get through all that begatting. Does that continue in Exodus???
I don’t think I’ll make it by Easter, but I’m determined to read the whole thing. God is determined to help me too. My 2 year old recently decided that she will refuse to go to sleep unless there is someone else in the room. Its been taking her close to an hour to fall asleep and I’ve been rocking in her room reading the bible by nightlight.
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NPS
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Neither one of those links work
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OriginalJS
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Daniel Marsh:
This isn’t correct. There is no lineage for Mary in the NT similar to those for Jesus. The Lineage in Matthew 1 starts with Abraham and ends with Jesus; the lineage in Luke 3 starting at verse 23 starts with Jesus and works back up the ladder all the way to Adam. There are differences in the lineages.
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rciadan
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Sorry, the correct adresses are as follows,
www.drbo.org
www.haydock1859.tripod.com
I tried them and these are correct and worked fine for me. Forgive my error please.
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Anima_Christi
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Reading the entire Bible during Lent is quite a feat!I decided that during Lent, I was going to read the bible since I’ve never been able to get past the first 10 pages.
I broke out my bible and started on Ash Wednesday. I am still in Genesis.
Its also hard to get through all that begatting. Does that continue in Exodus???
I don’t think I’ll make it by Easter, but I’m determined to read the whole thing. God is determined to help me too. My 2 year old recently decided that she will refuse to go to sleep unless there is someone else in the room. Its been taking her close to an hour to fall asleep and I’ve been rocking in her room reading the bible by nightlight.
Remember, though, that quality is better than quantity. This is just my two cents, but I think you would be much better off by trying to read one part of the Bible carefully and prayerfully, like the four gospels and the psalms, rather than trying to rush through the entire thing during Lent.
As for translations, if you like the Elizabethan English, trade your KJV for a Douay-Rheims! :yup:
If you want something that is accurate and eloquent, yet easy to understand, try the Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (Ignatius Press); the Navarre Bible commentary is also good and it uses the RSV.
Personally I don’t like the NAB.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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I decided that during Lent, I was going to read the bible since I’ve never been able to get past the first 10 pages.
I broke out my bible and started on Ash Wednesday. I am still in Genesis.
Its also hard to get through all that begatting. Does that continue in Exodus???
I don’t think I’ll make it by Easter, but I’m determined to read the whole thing. God is determined to help me too. My 2 year old recently decided that she will refuse to go to sleep unless there is someone else in the room. Its been taking her close to an hour to fall asleep and I’ve been rocking in her room reading the bible by nightlight.
It might be a good idea to use a Bible reading plan - starting at Genesis 1 is not a terribly good idea because there is a lot of dull stuff to plough through, if one tries reading from start to finish.
The begetting continues in Exodus 6
- the compiler of Genesis was very interested in dates and genealogies, if the frequency with which they appear is any guide.1 Chronicles 1 to 9 is solid genealogy
Names are important - they often express the sort of character the parent wanted the child to have. A lot of them include the NAME of God - that’s why so many include elements such as “el”, “-iah”, “J[eh]o-”. Looking at the names is also a good way to pick up a bit of Hebrew vocab
If one knows that (say) Jonathan = Yeho-nathan = “JHWH has given [a son]” - one is equipped to work out what “Nathan” and “Nethaniah” mean.If you really want to read the whole thing, it’s 1189 chapters long in Protestant versions, about 928 (IIRC) in the Hebrew Bible, and 1334 in the RC Bible. So you’ve got your work cut out, if you want to finish by Easter. You won’t get through without a plan, I very much suspect (I got as far as Joshua 6, last time I tried)
It may be better to give yourself a year. If It was me doing it, I would read the NT at the same time as the OT, so as not to get bogged down in the less fascinating bits (such as Leviticus) - and I would definitely use a modern version; the AV/KJV (and the Challoner version) are fine for the books with lots of narrative (Genesis, 1 Samuel-2 Chronicles); but very tough going in the books with lots of ideas, like the letters, or the Psalms. Or maybe several versions - why not ? ##
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mtr01
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I would have to agree with you, the Haydock Douay-Rheims is my preferred version. However, for someone just beginning to read the Bible in earnest, I doubt that it would be the correct choice. I would suggest a more “readable” version first, as long as it tended toward a literal translation. As others have suggested, the New American Bible or RSV - Catholic Edition would be a better place to start. Of course, the NAB is the version approved in the US for the readings at Mass, while the RSV is the version used by the Vatican for quoting Scripture in English.
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redtech
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Sorry StanMax! I did read all the previous posts but it must have been a different day or something and I’d forgotten already.Does anybody read the other posts? I answered that in Post #29. Nothing against you it’s just I just noticed retech said almost same thing in Post #40.
P.S. GarryOwen I noticed your name was you ever in the 7th U.S. Cav because that was our song. :dancing:
The pregnant woman’s brain isn’t always the most smartest. (no offense to other preggo’s but I just go brain dead when pregnant)As an update, I bought a New American Bible, St.Joseph’s edition. Thats what Fr Darin (my priest) recommended and is what is read during mass.
I breezed through the end of Exodus and it only took me two days to read Leviticus and I plan to start numbers tonight. I do plan to skim the begatting!
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Zooey
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Sorry StanMax! I did read all the previous posts but it must have been a different day or something and I’d forgotten already.
I breezed through the end of Exodus and it only took me two days to read Leviticus and I plan to start numbers tonight. I do plan to skim the begatting!
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Zulu_King
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I always wanted to but does the Catholic Church not have bibles in Latin? It is ironic, I am Catholic, have no bible, but I have a Koran (literary purposes)…
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AugustineFL
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Zulu:
Well yes they do. The Nova Vulgata (sp?) is the current Latin edition. I immagine you could get a copy if you wanted it…but I don’t know where you’d find it. I do know you can access it on the vatican website if you’re wanting a Latin Catholic bible.
All the ‘printed’ Catholic bibles I see are either in English or in Spanish…The only Latin bible I’ve actually seen in person was incunabulam.
“…does the Catholic Church not have bibles in Latin?”
Well yes they do. The Nova Vulgata (sp?) is the current Latin edition. I immagine you could get a copy if you wanted it…but I don’t know where you’d find it. I do know you can access it on the vatican website if you’re wanting a Latin Catholic bible.
All the ‘printed’ Catholic bibles I see are either in English or in Spanish…The only Latin bible I’ve actually seen in person was incunabulam.
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Zulu_King
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AugustineFL said:
Sorry, let me clarify. I thought the Church only had revised bibles in Latin that the clergy would read and not in any other language. I am happy to see that it is in other languages now as I thought the Protestants were the only who translated. I would love one in Spanish or English, I know both. At church, which I seldom go to, all the Bibles I saw were in Latin. I guess this is the biggest misunderstanding I have ever made…
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AugustineFL
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Zulu:
The Douay-Rheims English translation is actually older and came before the protestant King James Bible.
What Church do you go to that has all the Bibles in Latin? I assume this is not in the United States but rather in a country that speaks an obscure language that hasn’t received a Catholic bible translation yet? That’s got to be interesting. I even attend a pre-Vatican II mass in Latin but at that mass the priest still reads the readings to the people in English after he reads them in Latin.
In all honesty I’ve never heard of a Catholic Church only using Latin for the bible readings…the “liturgy of the word” is a time for the people to hear the word of God…for that reason the readings are done in the vernacular. Though admittedly with a missal even if the readings where not done in the vernacular the faithful should still be able to follow along.
Once upon a time (say several hundred years ago) bibles where usually in Latin, but then again if you were literate hundreds of years ago then you would have known Latin. Therefor Latin was the ideal language to use for books; every literate person knew it and it was a ‘universal language’ that could be used by any educated person regardless of what the common tongue of their region was. It seems kinda sad to me really that we stopped teaching and learning Latin as a universal language.
By the way about your comment on the clergy knowing and reading Latin. How lucky you are if priest in your part of theworld actually know really know Latin! My pastor was complaining that so few priest really know the language today. I have two priest at my parish that are fluent in Latin…but that is the exception.
If you want a Spanish or English bible check out any Catholic book store and they’ll have them. You can also look at any number of online catholic bookstores. Catholic answers even sells English bibles (not sure about spanish though).
The Douay-Rheims English translation is actually older and came before the protestant King James Bible.
What Church do you go to that has all the Bibles in Latin? I assume this is not in the United States but rather in a country that speaks an obscure language that hasn’t received a Catholic bible translation yet? That’s got to be interesting. I even attend a pre-Vatican II mass in Latin but at that mass the priest still reads the readings to the people in English after he reads them in Latin.
In all honesty I’ve never heard of a Catholic Church only using Latin for the bible readings…the “liturgy of the word” is a time for the people to hear the word of God…for that reason the readings are done in the vernacular. Though admittedly with a missal even if the readings where not done in the vernacular the faithful should still be able to follow along.
Once upon a time (say several hundred years ago) bibles where usually in Latin, but then again if you were literate hundreds of years ago then you would have known Latin. Therefor Latin was the ideal language to use for books; every literate person knew it and it was a ‘universal language’ that could be used by any educated person regardless of what the common tongue of their region was. It seems kinda sad to me really that we stopped teaching and learning Latin as a universal language.
By the way about your comment on the clergy knowing and reading Latin. How lucky you are if priest in your part of theworld actually know really know Latin! My pastor was complaining that so few priest really know the language today. I have two priest at my parish that are fluent in Latin…but that is the exception.
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theguidedheart
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I agree, I have enjoyed NAB, but then again, have not read Douay-Rheims but I hear that is quite a good translation.
One thing I would also recommend from a personal perspective: I tried to read the Bible time after time when I was younger, and had a hard time getting past Genesis myself… around the time I started learning about Catholicism, I was told by my now mother-in-law to start with the New Testament and THEN go back to the Old Testament to see how the prophesies were fulfilled. I would echo this setiment, as it helped ALOT!.. It is important to read about the New Convenant first, since that is what we live by now, not to mention the New Testament is MUCH easier to read… but its always interesting to go back and find clues in the Old Testament about how God would bring to light the New Covenant through Christ.
Thats my two cents anyway…
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Zulu_King
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It is interesting but it was just an observation, I will pay attention next time I go (it is not very common that I go sadly). I know one of the priests knows Latin because he was telling us as a child his parents wanted him to become a priest but as an English speaker studying Latin was very hard.for him…
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rciadan
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AugustineFL said:
If you download a copy of the Early Church Fathers off the web (its free), included in that 37 volume set is St. Jeromes Latin Vulgate.
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