What kind of logic is this?

[Jim_Baur]

A friend of mine said that he believed in the trinity.

I said you misspelled Trinity.

He said that he had advanced degrees in physics, biology, and chemistry.

He said the math did not exists.

I said, “Really.”

He said, “Really,”

I said okay, “explain.”

Math is not alive, so biology cannot examine it.

Physics and chemistry cannot weigh it, measure it, or count it. Math is not a solid, liquid or gas.

The three cannot prove the existence of math.

Therefore math does not exist.

He said he is an amathist.

I said, “I can see your point.”

I converted to being a mathist there and then.

We went back to the Physics lab to prove his next law. The sun is really a dark sucker. The sun actually suchs the darkness out of existence. His fellow colleagues laugh at him. He said prove me wrong…

 

[Bill_7154]

I studied logic in high school and college (as a minor). It is unbelievable to me at times how much understanding basic logic assists me in my daily life (in conversations with others, usually when there is a disagreement) and while I’m far from an expert I highly recommend everyone study logic.

I remember one time I was explaining the concept to my supervisor of not being able to spend the same time doing 2 different things. I’m not talking about multi-tasking, I’m talking about not being able to be rock climing in New Mexico while at the same time writing a paper on something in California. The name of the concept slips me (I think it’s actually an economic concept- help anyone?).

My boss said “I don’t agree with that.”

Isn’t that kind of ‘not agreeing’ that red and blue are different colors?

Wish I could have thought of a different example but logic is so valuable in discussions, understanding people, being able to catch people playing games with their words, etc… I highly encourage anyone who has not studied logic to do so. you can do this on the internet for free.

It can be a real eye opener if you don’t understand logic and then learn it.

As far as your friend goes, I don’t know if he’s a genious talking above my head or a nitwit using nice sounding ‘sound bites’ that prove nothing. I find that if people are unable to break down what they are saying into simple everyday language…a fair portion of the time they are trying to slip something past you. Just my experience. Anyone who can use langage specific to their profession should also be able to use simple everyday language to explain in laymans terms what they are saying. If they can’t or won’t do that I would assume they are either a snob or don’t know what they are talking about and using sophistocated language to pull a fast one on you. Just my opinion.

Good luck and God Bless,
Bill

 

[ThinkingSapien]

He said the math did not exists.
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Math is not alive, so biology cannot examine it.

Physics and chemistry cannot weigh it, measure it, or count it. Math is not a solid, liquid or gas.

Interesting. It sounds like “exist” here is being limited to that which has physical existence and is excluding the conceptual. That is math doesn’t exists in much the same way that ideas don’t exists.

Pardon my mistakes. Sent from my mobile device.

 

[ccmnxc]

Following that logic, the idea (or truth) that math is non-existant doesn’t exist.
See, it’s self-defeating.

 

[bzkoss236]

Following that logic, the idea (or truth) that math is non-existant doesn’t exist.
See, it’s self-defeating.

using that logic, logic doesn’t exist

 

[Jim_Baur]

Oh, it gets a little better.

If physics, chemistry and biology can’t locate math, then math does not exist.

However, chemistry and physics use math as one of their most important tools.

If this tool does not exist–they are without one of their most important tools.

Ergo chemistry, physics are invalid uses of the human ability to reason. They are using something that they cannot prove exists.

Therefore they are not sciences either.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

A friend of mine said that he believed in the trinity.

I said you misspelled Trinity.

He said that he had advanced degrees in physics, biology, and chemistry.

He said the math did not exists.

I said, “Really.”

He said, “Really,”

I said okay, “explain.”

Math is not alive, so biology cannot examine it.

Physics and chemistry cannot weigh it, measure it, or count it. Math is not a solid, liquid or gas.

The three cannot prove the existence of math.

Therefore math does not exist.

I realize this was all a spoof, so were my comments.

 

[Jim_Baur]

My point is: Human ability to reason created math, physics, biology, chess, carpentry, plumbing, the social sciences, and all kinds of philosophies. Math was made by us. The premise that the scientists cannot allow the use of natural theology, philosophy into the discussion about god, gods, and God is invalid. The scientists that will not make use of those tools should be laughed out of our universities. Most scientists will recognize the use of philosophy et cetera. The idea of a university is to make use of all our knowledge, not just four disciplines.

The ones that won’t have bigger blow wholes than whales.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

My point is: Human ability to reason created math, …] Math was made by us.

Here’s a book for you if you want additional information to support that position.

Where Mathematics Comes From: How the Embodied Mind Brings Mathematics into Being

 

[Jim_Baur]

Thanks!

That looks like a cool book!

 

[Pricklegoose]

A slightly ironical side point of this discussion is that math can be used to indicate the extremely high probability of the existence of God. We may not be able to observe God directly, but we can calculate the probability of, well, anything, and infer the likelihood of design over chance. Many sciences involve measuring or observing the EFFECTS of things they can’t directly measure or observe, so using probabilities to calculate the likelihood of a creator and accepting that there PROBABLY is one is not really different than using probabilities to infer the existence of any other particle or some-such that can’t be observed directly.

 

[Jim_Baur]

Pricklegoose

Thanks!

 

[Jim_Baur]

ThinkingSapien

Thanks!

I have read about 30 pages in “Where Mathematics Comes From.” I am really enjoying it.

Never realized just how much we use metaphor in math.

Also, I know little about cognitive science. I have studied a great deal in epistemology. I feel that they are similar. But I will find out.

 

[JIB]

The term you were looking for is “opportunity cost”

 

[Linusthe2nd]

A friend of mine said that he believed in the trinity.

I said you misspelled Trinity.

He said that he had advanced degrees in physics, biology, and chemistry.

He said the math did not exists.

I said, “Really.”

He said, “Really,”

I said okay, “explain.”

Math is not alive, so biology cannot examine it.

Physics and chemistry cannot weigh it, measure it, or count it. Math is not a solid, liquid or gas.

The three cannot prove the existence of math.

Therefore math does not exist.

He said he is an amathist.

I said, “I can see your point.”

I converted to being a mathist there and then.

We went back to the Physics lab to prove his next law. The sun is really a dark sucker. The sun actually suchs the darkness out of existence. His fellow colleagues laugh at him. He said prove me wrong…

This is the second time I’ve seen this, what does it mean? Sorry to be so dense.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

ThinkingSapien

Thanks!

I have read about 30 pages in “Where Mathematics Comes From.” I am really enjoying it.

Never realized just how much we use metaphor in math.

Also, I know little about cognitive science. I have studied a great deal in epistemology. I feel that they are similar. But I will find out.

Glad you are enjoying it! One of the two authors of the book also wrote another book on language. The metaphor theme continues. Spoken and written language is rich with metaphors that largely go unnoticed. The name of the book escapes me now, but if I could ever remember it I think you would enkoy it.

 

[ApologiaSophia]

A friend of mine said that he believed in the trinity.

I said you misspelled Trinity.

He said that he had advanced degrees in physics, biology, and chemistry.

He said the math did not exists.

I said, “Really.”

He said, “Really,”

I said okay, “explain.”

Math is not alive, so biology cannot examine it.

Physics and chemistry cannot weigh it, measure it, or count it. Math is not a solid, liquid or gas.

The three cannot prove the existence of math.

Therefore math does not exist.

He said he is an amathist.

I said, “I can see your point.”

I converted to being a mathist there and then.

We went back to the Physics lab to prove his next law. The sun is really a dark sucker. The sun actually suchs the darkness out of existence. His fellow colleagues laugh at him. He said prove me wrong…

Well, by his standard, logic itself does not exist. So to answer your question, this is the kind of logic that does not exist, lol.

 

[Jim_Baur]

How does one solve the difficulty?

Do the anti-religious scientists (which may be really, really small) use a tool that they should not use?

 

[DCNBILL]

How does one solve the difficulty?

Do the anti-religious scientists (which may be really, really small) use a tool that they should not use?

One may want to point out with their own logic that their minds do not exist.

 

[Sacred_Heart_1]

A friend of mine said that he believed in the trinity.

I said you misspelled Trinity.

He said that he had advanced degrees in physics, biology, and chemistry.

He said the math did not exists.

I said, “Really.”

He said, “Really,”

I said okay, “explain.”

Math is not alive, so biology cannot examine it.

Physics and chemistry cannot weigh it, measure it, or count it. Math is not a solid, liquid or gas.

The three cannot prove the existence of math.

Therefore math does not exist.

He said he is an amathist.

I said, “I can see your point.”

I converted to being a mathist there and then.

We went back to the Physics lab to prove his next law. The sun is really a dark sucker. The sun actually suchs the darkness out of existence. His fellow colleagues laugh at him. He said prove me wrong…

Illogical.