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Hello to everyone. I know little about Catholicism so I would like to ask a few questions. What kind of sin is it for a woman to spread lies and untrue things about her ex daughter in law who was taking care of her husband who was dieing of cancer. She had control of their money but never helped out. Lied to her husband. Never saw him except for 20 minutes in 7 months. Lied to my grandson so he doesn’t speak to me anymore. Said she can baptize people and give last rights. I took wonderful care of this man. I considered them my “parents”. It hurts to know she did this.I was told it was a bad sin because she lied to make herself look better to people.
 
To spread lies about someone especially to hurt their reputation is calumny and is a grave sin. It goes against the 8th commandment.
 
Thou shalt not bear false witness. Sounds pretty clear cut to me that it is a mortal sin.
 
Forgive me for saying this, but I can’t help but feel there has been a great deal left out of your story, But to answer your question: while it is true that calumny is considered a serious sin, one can never point at another person and say definitively that person has committed a mortal sin, or really any sin at all. That is something only God knows and can judge.
 
tad54 said:
Hello to everyone. I know little about Catholicism so I would like to ask a few questions. What kind of sin is it for a woman to spread lies and untrue things about her ex daughter in law who was taking care of her husband who was dieing of cancer. She had control of their money but never helped out. Lied to her husband. Never saw him except for 20 minutes in 7 months. Lied to my grandson so he doesn’t speak to me anymore. Said she can baptize people and give last rights. I took wonderful care of this man. I considered them my “parents”. It hurts to know she did this.I was told it was a bad sin because she lied to make herself look better to people.
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“You shall not testify falsely about your neighbor” - this is the ninth commandment. Paul mentions gossipers and slanderers several times, as does Jesus, who states that this is forgivable, accept when they go against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:27-29). In Catholicism she would have to confess her sins and atone for them or she would inevitably face judgement for it! Good luck to you, I just said a prayer for you, I hope the Lord gives you peace.
 
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Forgive me for saying this, but I can’t help but feel there has been a great deal left out of your story, But to answer your question: while it is true that calumny is considered a serious sin, one can never point at another person and say definitively that person has committed a mortal sin, or really any sin at all. That is something only God knows and can judge.
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“Judge not and Ye shall not be Judged”
 
J_the_Centrist said:
“You shall not testify falsely about your neighbor” - this is the ninth commandment. Paul mentions gossipers and slanderers several times, as does Jesus, who states that this is forgivable, accept when they go against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:27-29). In Catholicism she would have to confess her sins and atone for them or she would inevitably face judgement for it! Good luck to you, I just said a prayer for you, I hope the Lord gives you peace.
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Just a nitpicky thing– It’s only the 8th Commandment in non-Lutheran Protestantism. Catholics and Lutherans lump “No false gods” and “No idols” into the 1st Commandment and separate “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife” and “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.” On the other hand, most Protestants separate “No false gods” and “No false idols” and lump those last two into one.

As a side note, I think Judaism has “I am the Lord your God” as the 1st Commandment, the Catholic/Lutheran 1st Commandment as the 2nd, and the Protestant 3rd-10th Commandments

Point is, there’s I think 16-17 imperative sentences there, and different groups divide them differently
 
owensjo said:
Forgive me for saying this, but I can’t help but feel there has been a great deal left out of your story, But to answer your question: while it is true that calumny is considered a serious sin, one can never point at another person and say definitively that person has committed a mortal sin, or really any sin at all. That is something only God knows and can judge.
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The way you pit this might confuse people. We can say that someone has committed a certain act; we can say that that act is objectively a mortal sin; what we do not know and therefore cannot say is whether or not the person is culpable mortally for the act. We can judge actions objectively, we can judge the material facts of a situation, but we cannot judge the state of a person’s soul.
 
Razanir said:
Just a nitpicky thing– It’s only the 8th Commandment in non-Lutheran Protestantism. Catholics and Lutherans lump “No false gods” and “No idols” into the 1st Commandment and separate “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife” and “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.” On the other hand, most Protestants separate “No false gods” and “No false idols” and lump those last two into one.

As a side note, I think Judaism has “I am the Lord your God” as the 1st Commandment, the Catholic/Lutheran 1st Commandment as the 2nd, and the Protestant 3rd-10th Commandments

Point is, there’s I think 16-17 imperative sentences there, and different groups divide them differently
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You are right, I was looking at my NLV Bible. I also have a Catholic Bible, but I avoid using it too much because it is very old and I want to pass it on to further generations and I am still young so I want it to be preserved. I also have a Tanakh and other versions, but I did not look at them either. Why do I have all of these different versions? Lets just say I like to know the God we worship as good as possible. 👍
 
That was said in jest, God is the God of ALL, I know that!

Peace
 
tad54 said:
Hello to everyone. I know little about Catholicism so I would like to ask a few questions. What kind of sin is it for a woman to spread lies and untrue things about her ex daughter in law who was taking care of her husband who was dieing of cancer. She had control of their money but never helped out. Lied to her husband. Never saw him except for 20 minutes in 7 months. Lied to my grandson so he doesn’t speak to me anymore.** Said she can baptize people and give last rights**. I took wonderful care of this man. I considered them my “parents”. It hurts to know she did this.I was told it was a bad sin because she lied to make herself look better to people.
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I’m just curious as to what religion she belongs to. In Catholicism and Orthodoxy ( I think ), only male priests can administer the sacrament of last rights.
 
I did leave out that their son had been banned from the family for using methamphetamine,sleeping with other women ,stealing from them. When he got ill she would sneak him money even though her husband had forbidden it. She refinanced their home which was paid for. But the worse thing is she didn’t bother to help in any way to care for or see him. She proclaimed she could baptize people and give last rights. And she is a Catholic. It confuses me.
 
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I did leave out that their son had been banned from the family for using methamphetamine,sleeping with other women ,stealing from them. When he got ill she would sneak him money even though her husband had forbidden it. She refinanced their home which was paid for. But the worse thing is she didn’t bother to help in any way to care for or see him. She proclaimed she could baptize people and give last rights. And she is a Catholic. It confuses me.
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She is a sinner.

Just like the rest of us.
 
If she is consciously doing so and knows it’s sinful, it’s a mortal sin.

If she doesn’t know its sinful, she’s REALLY badly catechized… and needs to learn the 10 commandments. “Thou shalt not bear false witness.”

If she’s not consciously doing so, its not a mortal sin, but still sinful.

If she’s Catholic, she’s also bound by canon law not to willfully damage the reputation of others, under pain of venial sin… so even if she believes it is truth, she shouldn’t be spreading it except to protect others.
 
tad54 said:
I did leave out that their son had been banned from the family for using methamphetamine,sleeping with other women ,stealing from them. When he got ill she would sneak him money even though her husband had forbidden it. She refinanced their home which was paid for. But the worse thing is she didn’t bother to help in any way to care for or see him. She proclaimed she could baptize people and give last rights. And she is a Catholic. It confuses me.
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She may call herself Catholic, but if she is, she knows very little about the Catholic faith if she thinks she can give last rights. Only an ordained (male) Catholic priest can give that sacrament. I would say all adult Catholics know this even if they haven’t been well catechized. Perhaps she’s part of some break away group that still call themselves Catholic.

She sounds like a very troubled person. Pray for her. Not only will that help her, but it will help the hurt you’re experiencing and help you to forgive her.
 
People had told me to watch my back because she could be very evil if she became mad at you. I just didn’t want to believe that she was this kind of person. She told me she’d baptized my stepson when he was a baby. I commented"I didn’t think that was right". But she said it was ok,she could. That she prayed over the water. I raised my stepson"son" to me since he was 4. He’s 26 now and because of her lies he no longer speaks to me. It’s broke my heart. She has continued and doesn’t even care. She wants all the attention about her. Her husband was a very nice man. My best friend and papa since both my parents had passed . I also called her the mama. It was May 27th when he passed and she still keeps the lies and pain going. Help this stop.
 
I don’t understand this kind of evil. Her son has even threatened to “put me 6 feet under where nobody would find me”. We were married 15 years,I raised his son and took care of his father. She is just keeping this going. Thank you for helping me understand your religion better.
 
The greatest sin is the betrayal of the confidence of one’s fellows. Apparently this person in question has hardened her heart and completely fallen from Grace. We should all Pray for her repentance and ask that she be forgiven as it is not for one man to judge another.

May the Peace of Christ be with you always.
 
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