What Laws Would Be Overturned By Foca?

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elts1956 said:
Hi Annie. I would like more specific laws if possible. I know all would be overturned, but I don’t think people even know the ones that are on the books now. Thanks.
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what good is having a list? FOCA would entirely eliminate all existing laws on any level regulating or limiting access to abortion, protecting conscience rights, and restricting tax supported funding of abortion, and incidently all those regulating abortion providers and facilities. Would also eliminate current policy which prevents US tax dollars from supporting UN pro-abort policies and actions. Would make all taxpayers complicit in this horror from day one.

Oh and did I mention the US Constitution would be rendered null and void since FOCA tramples all over not only the foudnational right to life but also most of the bill of rights.
 
jc-servant said:
I’m an attorney and I’m still not seeing it. You provided no basis upon which any court could force an individual physician to perform a certain procedure or surgery.
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I’m an attorney too, and I can see it. After all, they do it to us. Like physicians, we attorneys need our professional license to keep working. Various states force attorneys to do certain things to remain licensed. Some are harmless, like mandatory CLE. Others are more obtrusive, such as requiring mandatory pro bono work. Here in New York, you’re required to perform a certain number of pro bono divorces based on the number of matrimonial actions you file (like, one pro bono for every five filings). So theoretically, a state could refuse to renew a physicians license for failure to comply with some mandatory “service” requirement. Mind you, I agree that FOCA would be unconstitutional as applied here, but I wouldn’t put it past a state to try. They already try to force pharmacists to sell birth control pills.
 
puzzleannie said:
what good is having a list? FOCA would entirely eliminate all existing laws on any level regulating or limiting access to abortion, protecting conscience rights, and restricting tax supported funding of abortion, and incidently all those regulating abortion providers and facilities. Would also eliminate current policy which prevents US tax dollars from supporting UN pro-abort policies and actions. Would make all taxpayers complicit in this horror from day one.

Oh and did I mention the US Constitution would be rendered null and void since FOCA tramples all over not only the foudnational right to life but also most of the bill of rights.
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It’ll just be more evidence for the glorious day when Planned Parenthood’s Board of Directors stands trial for crimes against humanity at the Hague.
 
Gamera said:
It’ll just be more evidence for the glorious day when Planned Parenthood’s Board of Directors stands trial for crimes against humanity at the Hague.
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That won’t happen. That would be like the Nazis trying members of the KKK on charges of racism.
 
jc-servant said:
I’m an attorney and I’m still not seeing it. You provided no basis upon which any court could force an individual physician to perform a certain procedure or surgery.

Any idiot can file suit to assert that they have a “right” to something but they must have something in the state or federal constitution or statutes upon which to base their “right.” I had a friend who used to defend a state governent against ridiculous suits filed by prisoners at the state pen who had easy access to a law library and nothing but time on their hands. They sued over stupid things like cheap peanut butter in their meals, but they had no genuine legal basis to force a change. They filed and she got them dismissed, but of course they continued to do it because the law allows people to file weak cases.

Even if a court concedes that a person has a “right” to have a certain procedure, it does not mean that they can automatically show up at some doctor’s office and force that doctor to perform the procedure. For instance, even where abortion is legal right now a person cannot go to an OB/GYN or any other type of MD and demand that they perform it if that doctor does not perform abortions as part of his/her practice. It does not matter if they learned how in med school at some point. I don’t know of any way that the government or anyone else can force them into that activity.

Even if a stranger is going to die right in front of a doctor (or any other trained person), no law requires them to act to save the person. It is harsh, but true. They can walk away just like any other person. Therefore, I don’t believe a doctor can be forced to perform an abortion against their will. Even if they were dragged to court over a refusal, I believe that asserting it is outside of their area of competence would take care of the matter.
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But the law can make it hard to practice your faith and your profession…

If you are a lawyer and a Catholic then you need to help stop the human rights violations against the unborn and quit riding the fence by saying ," ‘duh’ I don’t see it happening", get on the boat or out of it…

If you are not a Catholic your argument of “I don’t see it” is just another ploy of the left-wing femi-nazi agenda. so which is it … are you on the boat or trying to sink it?

The Assault on Catholic Health Care
Almost thirty years after Roe, the goal of abortion activists remains the same. The website of the Maryland NARAL (National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League) Hospital Provider Project does not mince words: “The goal of the Hospital Provider Project is to increase access to abortion services by requiring Maryland hospitals to provide abortion and other reproductive health care” (emphasis added). Similarly, a recent report by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) titled, “Religious Refusals and Reproductive Rights,” aims at requiring all hospitals, including Catholic hospitals, to provide abortions. The report asserts that because Catholic hospitals are involved in delivering a public good—health care—“they should play by public rules.” Not coincidentally, “public rules” are ACLU rules: “the more public and secular the setting, the less acceptable any institution’s claimed right to refuse.”
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There are a lot of idiots out there trying to stop any discussion over abortion and stop any and all efforts to restrict them at any cost. The question is; “does one have the right to end the life of another, because it is inconvenient for the other to live?” If that is a true right then, “The first thing we should do, is kill all the lawyers.” (popular misquote of William S.) starting with the ACLU for they sure have made a mess for many of us and cost the lives of millions - just kidding about killing the lawyers… or maybe not.:rolleyes: No we need good faithful Catholic Lawyers that will stand up for the unborn and I hope you are one up for the fight.

The point is FOCA is an attempt to stop the pro-life movement once and for all. If you don’t see it then either your blind, intellectually dishonest, part of the pro-abort movement, or all of the above… I hope I’m wrong on all accounts…

I appoligize for being so forward and/or if I offend you…

catholicvote.com/
 
Lorik said:
If he wins and South Dakota’s Measure 11 banning abortion wins will the South Dakota measure be null?
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puzzleannie said:
what good is having a list? FOCA would entirely eliminate all existing laws on any level regulating or limiting access to abortion, protecting conscience rights, and restricting tax supported funding of abortion, and incidently all those regulating abortion providers and facilities. Would also eliminate current policy which prevents US tax dollars from supporting UN pro-abort policies and actions. Would make all taxpayers complicit in this horror from day one.

Oh and did I mention the US Constitution would be rendered null and void since FOCA tramples all over not only the foudnational right to life but also most of the bill of rights.
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Thought a list would be good to remind people of what little protection the unborn have and will lose even that if B.O. wins.
 
Well, wait a second though. Congress would need to pass FOCA before any president would have a chance to sign it. Has FOCA ever passed Congress and faced presidential veto under Bush? I didn’t think Congress had ever passed it.
 
Gamera said:
Well, wait a second though. Congress would need to pass FOCA before any president would have a chance to sign it. Has FOCA ever passed Congress and faced presidential veto under Bush? I didn’t think Congress had ever passed it.
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That’s the point of this thread.

Congress is now controled by the party that favors this legislation, there is potential for a filibuster proof Senate after Nov 4, and this same party has a presidential candidate who has promised Planned Parenthood that signing the legislation would be his FIRST priority as President.

It is a disaster waiting to happen.

This has been purposely ignored by the media.
 
1ke said:
Of course they cannot “force” a doctor to perform an abortion. However they can jail him, levy large punitive fines, fire him from his job, and revoke his license.

Also, currently there are states which are attempting to enact legislation REQUIRING medical students to perform abortions in order to obtain their medical license in the first place.

So, while no one can be forced to perform an abortion, those who refuse can be forced out of the medical field entirely.
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Can’t a doctor claim incompetence for any particular procedure?
 
Spirithound said:
Can’t a doctor claim incompetence for any particular procedure?
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Depends on the procedure, but abortion is a “general” surgery and I doubt family practice and OB/GYN’s could claim they were unqualified.

Remember, this extends beyond individual doctors-- Catholic hospitals could be forced to allow abortions in their hospitals. Pharmacists could be forced to dispense RU486. Nurses could be forced to assist abortions in facilities where they work.
 
1ke said:
That’s the point of this thread.

Congress is now controled by the party that favors this legislation, there is potential for a filibuster proof Senate after Nov 4, and this same party has a presidential candidate who has promised Planned Parenthood that signing the legislation would be his FIRST priority as President.

It is a disaster waiting to happen.

This has been purposely ignored by the media.
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Right, I get all of that. I just wanted to make sure I hadn’t missed something – that at some point a prior session of Congress had voted to pass FOCA.
 
Gamera said:
Well, wait a second though. Congress would need to pass FOCA before any president would have a chance to sign it. Has FOCA ever passed Congress and faced presidential veto under Bush? I didn’t think Congress had ever passed it.
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Have you heard? The Congress and Senate are DEMOCRAT with Pelosi at the helm.
 
Gamera said:
Ah, yeah, thanks for the bulletin, I do know that. FOCA has not yet passed Congress, that is my point.
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B.O. isn’t president yet. Don’t think Bush would have signed it, do you? He may be foolish about many things, but about this he is very, very smart.
 
elts1956 said:
B.O. isn’t president yet. Don’t think Bush would have signed it, do you? He may be foolish about many things, but about this he is very, very smart.
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No, I don’t “think Bush would have signed it.” Once again: I simply am clarifying that FOCA has not yet passed Congress.
 
Gamera said:
Ah, yeah, thanks for the bulletin, I do know that. FOCA has not yet passed Congress, that is my point.
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puzzleannie said:
what good is having a list? FOCA would entirely eliminate all existing laws on any level regulating or limiting access to abortion, protecting conscience rights, and restricting tax supported funding of abortion, and incidently all those regulating abortion providers and facilities. Would also eliminate current policy which prevents US tax dollars from supporting UN pro-abort policies and actions. Would make all taxpayers complicit in this horror from day one.

Oh and did I mention the US Constitution would be rendered null and void since FOCA tramples all over not only the foudnational right to life but also most of the bill of rights.
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It just gets scarier and scarier. I, for one, do not like the idea of my tax dollars being spent killing babies.
 
elts1956 said:
It just gets scarier and scarier. I, for one, do not like the idea of my tax dollars being spent killing babies.
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I think there has been a communication breakdown. I know exactly what FOCA would do. I am just as opposed to FOCA as anyone. All I have said is that FOCA has not yet passed Congress. That’s it. I didn’t say not to worry about it. I didn’t say not to oppose it. I didn’t underestimate how horrible it would be. All I said was that it never has passed Congress.
 
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