What lead to gay marriage

[AngryAtheist8]

And don’t let science try to fool you in their self important validation and justification of all things. For they serve their masters just the same, in a society that says, lives, and judges, that money makes right.

When you consider what Apostle Paul says about the reprobate mind they are treated no different then how they treat what God has made them, and given them to be, that they reject.

I hope you see the irony in using the internet to spread a message dismissing science and technology.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

. It was a vote and no science was involved. Feminism is definitely linked to this - radical feminism.

God bless,
Ed

Feminism, how so?

 

[PetersKeys]

. It was a vote and no science was involved. Feminism is definitely linked to this - radical feminism.

God bless,
Ed

Feminism, how so?

feminism degraded the roles between man and woman, hurt marriage, increased divorce exponentially, and ruined chivalry. Masculinity and femininity were not longer seen as honorable traits. And homosexuals used this jaded mentality to push their agenda. Why do you think many feminists support gay marriage? because they know its hurts traditional marriage and its stability, which is one of their goals(to destruct traditional marriage). Gay marriage is just one of their tools among many.

I found that other post interesting about those 2 Harvard graduates. What I find interesting is that gay marriage only became possible AFTER abortion and divorce became prominent. If abortion, contraception, and no-fault divorce were not allowed there is no way gay marriage would have been able to surface. Abortion and divorce seered and jaded the moral conscious of many men and women. And it is only in this seered, ignorant, jaded state that gay marriage could ever surface…

Like I said earlier when society is steeped in moral filth they become used to the smell and are unable to discern correctly anymore things that smell bad. The gay agenda knew this and took advantage of it…Gay marriage is clearly a socially engineered construct that used societies ignorance as an advantage. And the sad thing is many people do not even know it because they are already so entrenched in it…Their conscious has become so seered and malformed that they cannot discern correct morals.

 

[Seeker2010]

feminism degraded the roles between man and woman, hurt marriage, increased divorce exponentially, and ruined chivalry.

Ah, so if them dern womenfolk would just shut their mouths and know their roles, all would be peachy, huh? Barefoot and in the kitchen, perhaps? With no right to vote and no right to divorce their violent, adulterous husbands?

because they know its hurts traditional marriage and its stability, which is one of their goals(to destruct traditional marriage). Gay marriage is just one of their tools among many.

How, exactly, does gay marriage hurt traditional marriage. If Suzy and Sarah down the street from you get hitched, how is YOUR marriage harmed?

If abortion, contraception, and no-fault divorce were not allowed there is no way gay marriage would have been able to surface.

Well, unfortunately for you, we live in a free country, so abortion, contraception, and no-fault divorce ARE allowed and that’s not going to change. You have no right to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

divorce seered and jaded the moral conscious of many men and women.

Because it’s so much better to force people who can’t stand each other any more to stay together. Yeah, that’s healthy.

 

[PassingThru]

Feminism, how so?

feminism degraded the roles between man and woman, hurt marriage, increased divorce exponentially, and ruined chivalry. Masculinity and femininity were not longer seen as honorable traits. And homosexuals used this jaded mentality to push their agenda. Why do you think many feminists support gay marriage? because they know its hurts traditional marriage and its stability, which is one of their goals(to destruct traditional marriage). Gay marriage is just one of their tools among many.

I found that other post interesting about those 2 Harvard graduates. What I find interesting is that gay marriage only became possible AFTER abortion and divorce became prominent. If abortion, contraception, and no-fault divorce were not allowed there is no way gay marriage would have been able to surface. Abortion and divorce seered and jaded the moral conscious of many men and women. And it is only in this seered, ignorant, jaded state that gay marriage could ever surface…

Like I said earlier when society is steeped in moral filth they become used to the smell and are unable to discern correctly anymore things that smell bad. The gay agenda knew this and took advantage of it…Gay marriage is clearly a socially engineered construct that used societies ignorance as an advantage. And the sad thing is many people do not even know it because they are already so entrenched in it…Their conscious has become so seered and malformed that they cannot discern correct morals.

I was going to comment, but then I saw your signature, which tied it all together. I no longer feel the need.

 

[PetersKeys]

Ah, so if them dern womenfolk would just shut their mouths and know their roles, all would be peachy, huh? Barefoot and in the kitchen, perhaps? With no right to vote and no right to divorce their violent, adulterous husbands?

this is just an ad-hominem. You’ve didn’t even look at the issues of feminism’s relation to high divorce rates. Feminism has weakened and harmed the stability of marriage as a whole greatly. Look at the divorce rates surge after 1960. That is a HUGE surge.

Another newsflash to you also. Adultery increased greatly after contraception and abortion were allowed. In fact couples who use contraception are 50 times more likely to commit adultery and divorce than couples who don’t. Feminists that pressured no-fault divorce to become legalized gave people the right to divorce even if there was nothing done wrong. If you can’t see how this hurts marriage then I won’t waste my breath…

How, exactly, does gay marriage hurt traditional marriage. If Suzy and Sarah down the street from you get hitched, how is YOUR marriage harmed?

In the same way abortion and no-fault divorce did. It degraded the dignity and honor of marriage. It confused the roles between man and woman. It disregarded the procreative aspect of natural law. And, like feminism, it hurt chivalry and the way people honor and respect marriage. When you degrade marriage, like for example, with drive-by weddings, or 1 month weddings, people will start to have a degraded view of marriage as a whole later on.

Well, unfortunately for you, we live in a free country, so abortion, contraception, and no-fault divorce ARE allowed and that’s not going to change. You have no right to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

no you have license, not freedom. As Fr Corapi says, freedom is not being able to do whatever you want to do, freedom is being able to do what you SHOULD do. That is true freedom. In fact, your thinking is anti-freedom, since it shackles people into sin and takes away the liberties and FREEDOMS of the unborn…So don’t act like you care about freedom. You care about license without consequences. The epitaph of selfishness and pride.

Because it’s so much better to force people who can’t stand each other any more to stay together. Yeah, that’s healthy.

Maybe we should try to teach people good morals and ethics from the start and they later won’t have such a problem with this. Then again marriage takes hard work, and many people are unwilling to put in the effort and sacrifice for it. They get tired with one person, and they replace them with a new one who they think will make it better. But in reality it doesn’t. Ever wonder why second marriages have a much higher rate of divorce than first marriages? Because many people who divorce have unrealistic expectations of people, are selfish, and are unwilling and are too lazy to try to work at their own marriages.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

no you have license, not freedom. As Fr Corapi says, freedom is not being able to do whatever you want to do, freedom is being able to do what you SHOULD do. That is true freedom. In fact, your thinking is anti-freedom, since it shackles people into sin and takes away the liberties and FREEDOMS of the unborn…So don’t act like you care about freedom. You care about license without consequences. The epitaph of selfishness and pride.

Freedom involves the ability to make choices.

No choices means no freedom.

If a person only has the option of making the right choice (whatever that may be) then it is not a true choice at all. Because they are required and obligated to do that.

Saying that freedom means the ability to do WHAT YOU OUGHT TO and NOTHING else is a gross redefinition of the term. And if that is what you support just be honest and admit that you think a lot of freedom is a bad thing.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Feminism, how so?

feminism degraded the roles between man and woman, hurt marriage, increased divorce exponentially, and ruined chivalry. Masculinity and femininity were not longer seen as honorable traits. And homosexuals used this jaded mentality to push their agenda. Why do you think many feminists support gay marriage? because they know its hurts traditional marriage and its stability, which is one of their goals(to destruct traditional marriage). Gay marriage is just one of their tools among many.

I found that other post interesting about those 2 Harvard graduates. What I find interesting is that gay marriage only became possible AFTER abortion and divorce became prominent. If abortion, contraception, and no-fault divorce were not allowed there is no way gay marriage would have been able to surface. Abortion and divorce seered and jaded the moral conscious of many men and women. And it is only in this seered, ignorant, jaded state that gay marriage could ever surface…

Like I said earlier when society is steeped in moral filth they become used to the smell and are unable to discern correctly anymore things that smell bad. The gay agenda knew this and took advantage of it…Gay marriage is clearly a socially engineered construct that used societies ignorance as an advantage. And the sad thing is many people do not even know it because they are already so entrenched in it…Their conscious has become so seered and malformed that they cannot discern correct morals.

Feminism may not be to the advantage of myself and other men, but we are not the only humans beings on Earth.

If women have no political power or rights then THEY WILL be oppressed, abused, and taken advantage of, regardless of how chivalrous the men in charge may be.

If a woman cannot press charges against a man and/or testify against men in court (and have it counted as evidence), then men can rape, murder, and abuse women as much as they want without facing legal consequences as long as no men witness their crimes or press charges against them.

This is the case in Saudi Arabia, where most rape victims will not go to the police, based on the near certainty that their rapists will not be brought to justice and that they are far more likely to be punished for adultery, while the man involved gets away Scott free.

 

[Seeker2010]

this is just an ad-hominem. You’ve didn’t even look at the issues of feminism’s relation to high divorce rates. Feminism has weakened and harmed the stability of marriage as a whole greatly. Look at the divorce rates surge after 1960. That is a HUGE surge.

Dude, women are not inferior to men. I know that is disappointing to you, but you’re just going to have to deal with it, because we’re not going backwards.

Adultery increased greatly after contraception and abortion were allowed. In fact couples who use contraception are 50 times more likely to commit adultery and divorce than couples who don’t.

Source?

Feminists that pressured no-fault divorce to become legalized gave people the right to divorce even if there was nothing done wrong. If you can’t see how this hurts marriage then I won’t waste my breath…

Ah, so you are in favor of forcing people who hate each other to nonetheless be forced to remain together. Quite the budding tyrant.

In the same way abortion and no-fault divorce did. It degraded the dignity and honor of marriage.

Gay marriage, abortion, nor no-fault divorce has absolutely NO affect upon YOU unless you marry a man, have an abortion, or get a divorce. If you don’t like those things, fine, nobody is saying you have to use them.

no you have license, not freedom. As Fr Corapi says, freedom is not being able to do whatever you want to do, freedom is being able to do what you SHOULD do. That is true freedom. In fact, your thinking is anti-freedom, since it shackles people into sin and takes away the liberties and FREEDOMS of the unborn…So don’t act like you care about freedom. You care about license without consequences. The epitaph of selfishness and pride.

Whenever I see someone use the word ‘license’ to describe TRUE freedom, it’s a clear indication that person abhors true freedom. You only want people to be free to do what you think they should do. Sorry, bro, you’re not that important.

Real freedom, true freedom, includes things that we don’t like. The Klan, for example, is a repugnant entity, but they have the freedom to express their ideas, no matter how vile those ideas are. Likewise, people have the freedom to do many things that you don’t like.

Sorry.

They get tired with one person, and they replace them with a new one who they think will make it better. But in reality it doesn’t. Ever wonder why second marriages have a much higher rate of divorce than first marriages?

Well, all I can tell you is that I was MISERABLE in my first marriage, but ECSTATIC in my second. It’s unlikely in the extreme that we’ll ever be getting divorced. YMMV.

 

[NE_Catholic]

threads like this always go whacky off course.

What lead to gay marriage? I think mostly financial reasons. I’ve now come to the conclusion that the government should completely be out of the marriage business. They already allow quisi-pologamy, just look at some pro-athletes. The government should stick to child support and that’s it.

 

[buffalo]

I hope you see the irony in using the internet to spread a message dismissing science and technology.

My baloney detector just went off.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

My baloney detector just went off.

The internet is an example of advanced technology in action.
Science gives birth to technology.

How is pointing that out baloney?

 

[buffalo]

The internet is an example of advanced technology in action.
Science gives birth to technology.

How is pointing that out baloney?

Advanced technology - definitely not dependent on evolution. And much of comes from trial and error. Science, as in the search for knowledge, is a noble pursuit. Through science (trial and error) we advance technology.

No one here disses good science. It is bad science and bad reasoning that is the issue.

 

[PetersKeys]

Dude, women are not inferior to men. I know that is disappointing to you, but you’re just going to have to deal with it, because we’re not going backwards.

Never said they were. I said they have different God given roles. Go against these roles and it causes the problems that we see today in marriage

Source?

custosfidei.blogspot.com/2006/03/correlation-between-contraception-and.html

Suprisingly the strongest correlation was the use of contraception which correlated at greater than 50%. Ironically, those that have never used contraception and used only Natural Family Planning (NFP), had a less than 0.2% of divorce. Even those that contraception in premarital sex, but exclusively used NFP after they got married, the correlation rises slightly to less than 5%.

Ah, so you are in favor of forcing people who hate each other to nonetheless be forced to remain together. Quite the budding tyrant.

No I’m saying people should be adults and not children and learn to work out the problems they have instead of running away from them. To teach children good values that they will bring in their marriages which will fortify them when troubles come along.

Gay marriage, abortion, nor no-fault divorce has absolutely NO affect upon YOU unless you marry a man, have an abortion, or get a divorce. If you don’t like those things, fine, nobody is saying you have to use them.

I said it has an effect on marriage as a whole. Meaning a general slow decaying of the dignity and respect of marriage. Just like abortion and divorce did. Did you know single mother homes constitutes for over 70% of child abuses cases and over 50% of inmates come from broken homes? So don’t tell me it has no effect…

Whenever I see someone use the word ‘license’ to describe TRUE freedom, it’s a clear indication that person abhors true freedom. You only want people to be free to do what you think they should do. Sorry, bro, you’re not that important.

Oh really? well I guess Im free to shoot and rob whoever I want them. For the sake of choices and freedom then. And wonderful logic you have there…Do you know what anarchy is??

Real freedom, true freedom, includes things that we don’t like. The Klan, for example, is a repugnant entity, but they have the freedom to express their ideas, no matter how vile those ideas are. Likewise, people have the freedom to do many things that you don’t like.

Really? well then go down the street naked and see how far you get before your arrested. Express yourself by going 130 mph down the highway. See how far you get.

You will see that there are laws that restrict certain actions. Freedom without restrictions is anarchy. You may as well go live in the jungle if you truly believe that way. But in civilized society there are laws, and most laws are supposed to stem from morals and justice. Some things however, go amiss and unjust things happen in society, like genocide, war, abortion, etc. So, trying to use “freedom for the sake of freedom” argument is a circular argument that gets no where and is illogical to human discernment and morals.

 

[PetersKeys]

amazon.com/After-Ball-America-Conquer-Hatred/dp/0452264987

After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90’s (Plume)

"From the book flap: “Dismissing the movement’s outworn techniques in favor of carefully calculated public relations propaganda, AFTER THE BALL unveils the key psychological principles and national strategies that gays must follow…” “At the same time, Kirk and Madsen propose a clear-eyed agenda to reform gay culture…”

To sum up the book: Two Harvard-educated intellectuals, one of which worked in Advertising on Madison Avenue, devised an agenda, to use propaganda and turn the tide of America’s disregard and ambivalence for homosexuality by 180 degrees.

If you look around, you’ll see that it’s not just actors in Hollywood, but also many of your friends and neighbors who have embraced this propaganda, likely without their knowledge."

wow, there some really interesting things I have heard about the book. About how some of its techniques are similar to Mao ZeDongs propaganda and uses a model very similar.

cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/pst2&search=gay&p=1&parent=0&subnav=false

 

[edwest2]

Ah, so if them dern womenfolk would just shut their mouths and know their roles, all would be peachy, huh? Barefoot and in the kitchen, perhaps? With no right to vote and no right to divorce their violent, adulterous husbands?

How, exactly, does gay marriage hurt traditional marriage. If Suzy and Sarah down the street from you get hitched, how is YOUR marriage harmed?

Well, unfortunately for you, we live in a free country, so abortion, contraception, and no-fault divorce ARE allowed and that’s not going to change. You have no right to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

Because it’s so much better to force people who can’t stand each other any more to stay together. Yeah, that’s healthy.

You have no right to come here, in a specifically Catholic forum, and lecture us on how you think we ought to live.

Stop trolling please. This forum is not a substitute for kicking the dog, OK? If you are so angry, then forget about your nonsense, Leftist, Feminist, Anarchist stereotypes and actually do something positive.

It would be so much better if the media stopped showing people in situations where having anonymous ‘just sex’ is the answer. When they find the woman’s body in an alley and even her friends don’t know the name of the person she was having just sex with.

You are an advocate for anarchy, nothing more.

I was there in a time period the LEFTIST RADICAL FEMINISTS hate. Why? Because it was functional. They hate the family and they love the dysfunctional.

Peace,
Ed

 

[TheRealJuliane]

You have no right to come here, in a specifically Catholic forum, and lecture us on how you think we ought to live.

Stop trolling please. This forum is not a substitute for kicking the dog, OK? If you are so angry, then forget about your nonsense, Leftist, Feminist, Anarchist stereotypes and actually do something positive.

It would be so much better if the media stopped showing people in situations where having anonymous ‘just sex’ is the answer. When they find the woman’s body in an alley and even her friends don’t know the name of the person she was having just sex with.

You are an advocate for anarchy, nothing more.

I was there in a time period the LEFTIST RADICAL FEMINISTS hate. Why? Because it was functional. They hate the family and they love the dysfunctional.

Peace,
Ed

:clapping::clapping::yyeess:

 

[AngryAtheist8]

You have no right to come here, in a specifically Catholic forum, and lecture us on how you think we ought to live.

Stop trolling please. This forum is not a substitute for kicking the dog, OK? If you are so angry, then forget about your nonsense, Leftist, Feminist, Anarchist stereotypes and actually do something positive.

It would be so much better if the media stopped showing people in situations where having anonymous ‘just sex’ is the answer. When they find the woman’s body in an alley and even her friends don’t know the name of the person she was having just sex with.

You are an advocate for anarchy, nothing more.

I was there in a time period the LEFTIST RADICAL FEMINISTS hate. Why? Because it was functional. They hate the family and they love the dysfunctional.

Peace,
Ed

Actually I believe Seeker is endorsing some form of libertarianism.

As for the truly radical feminists (the ones who hate men, and consider all hetero sex rape) I understand their philosophy and mindset well enough to have some idea of what they want, and they are not really anarchists.

They want to replace the patriarchal order with some sort matriarchy, and believe men are too violent and self-serving to be trusted with any kind of power. The most radical think that the male population needs to be ‘reduced’ to more manageable levels.

 

[Seeker2010]

You have no right to come here, in a specifically Catholic forum, and lecture us on how you think we ought to live.

Actually, the rules of this forum SPECIFICALLY say that non-Catholics are welcome to express their ideas. Which means the powers that be around here have determined that I do have a right to be here.

Does you calling for me to leave mean that I’ve touched a nerve? Perhaps you’re feeling defeated?

It would be so much better if the media stopped showing people in situations where having anonymous ‘just sex’ is the answer. When they find the woman’s body in an alley and even her friends don’t know the name of the person she was having just sex with.

Sex and violence have nothing to do with each other.

You are an advocate for anarchy, nothing more.

Actually, while I’d love to see anarchy, I’m realistic enough that I have explicitly disclaimed it. I wish we, as a species, were advanced enough to handle it, but I realize we’re not. But as AA8 noted, I do believe in Libertarianism.

Freedom. For me, and for you.

BTW, sorry for taking so long for responding, was in the City getting setup for a Halloween party. It’s gonna be off the hook!

 

[PetersKeys]

Actually, the rules of this forum SPECIFICALLY say that non-Catholics are welcome to express their ideas. Which means the powers that be around here have determined that I do have a right to be here.

Does you calling for me to leave mean that I’ve touched a nerve? Perhaps you’re feeling defeated?

Sex and violence have nothing to do with each other.

Actually, while I’d love to see anarchy, I’m realistic enough that I have explicitly disclaimed it. I wish we, as a species, were advanced enough to handle it, but I realize we’re not. But as AA8 noted, I do believe in Libertarianism.

Freedom. For me, and for you.

BTW, sorry for taking so long for responding, was in the City getting setup for a Halloween party. It’s gonna be off the hook!

sex and violence can relate depending in the issue at hand. BDSM is considered violent. Sodomy itself is extremely violent because it violates the dignity of the human being and physically damages their organs, as well as increasing the risk of AIDS exponentially. Homosexuality is also used in prisons in order to degrade and overpower people who are viewed as weak.

Whenever violence prevails there will always be homosexuality abroad. Look at Sodom and Gommorah, Pagan Rome, Greece, San Francisco, etc…

and like I said earlier, your not talking about freedom. your talking about license…All communities have some sort of moral code in them. PDA laws, obscenity laws, sex in public, code of dress, etc. Take things like this away and you have Babylonian anarchy.

As Fr. Corapi says, true freedom is being able to do what you OUGHT to do. if people truly did whatever they wanted there would absolute anarchy and discord. Think L.A. riots…That’s the result of your thinking