What make you think That Adam and Eve are real despite the evolutionary change or chance and widespread of the Neanderthals and Homosapians

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Basically you’re saying that the authors of Tobit and Sirach, not to mention Sts. Luke and Paul, only used the name “Adam” because it’s what they knew from Genesis. They just copied and pasted. So to you the name “Adam” isn’t really true, it’s just a folklore name handed down.
 
Are you saying that anything handed down is just folklore, and not “true”? That the only way Tobit or Sirach or you or I have access to the truth is by God directly informing us? Is this your idea of human authorship? I really cannot even guess at what you are trying to say.

If we read the scripture and use the names and language there, is it just folklore passed down? I suppose I can accept that characterization, but I have a higher regard for folklore than I think you do. I cannot believe you think it is “not true” if it is handed down, but I cannot make sense of what you are saying.
 
Maybe I understood your post to which I originally replied. I thought you were dismissing the importance of Adam’s name, or saying that “Adam” was not a historical figure. My apologies if I read you incorrectly.
 
Great to see some additional contributions from @Cruciferi and @YoungCatholicGuy taking up the holy and pious cause of defending the traditional miraculous creation of our first parents.
 
There is nothing about God in science either. Scripture doesn’t tell us everything. Nor does science. The Church gives us some guidelines on these issues. That is all I meant.
 
You are welcome.

It does appear that a large enough group has assembled, consisting of at least @Glark @buffalo @Techno2000 @Aloysium @Cruciferi @YoungCatholicGuy @steve-b that a team of dedicated individuals can now be formed to respond to posts discussing Creation in order to provide a traditional viewpoint. This mission is most holy and pious.
 
“Communion and Stewardship” seems to have been hijacked by many to say things it doesn’t and has been elevated to a status far above its actual weight.
 
“Catholic theology affirms that that the emergence of the first members of the human species (whether as individuals or in populations) represents an event that is not susceptible of a purely natural explanation and which can appropriately be attributed to divine intervention” (no. 70, my emphasis)

Also I suggest you to read Can we give up the origin of humanity from a primal couple without giving up the teaching of original sin and atonement? from Antoine Suarez. Furthermore, I suggest you to look for what Cardinal Ratzinger said about polygenism. Look for his concept of “relational damage”. Here for example is an interesting link:

 
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“Communion and Stewardship” seems to have been hijacked by many to say things it doesn’t and has been elevated to a status far above its actual weight.
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And you seem to elevate Humani generis far above its actual weight since you seem to consider monogenism as a dogma, which is not. Even Humani generis doesn’t claim that monogenism is a dogma. Humani generis clearly says that polygenism is problematic, not because monogenism is a dogma, but because polygenism seems to logically imply a refutation of original sin. Why? Because in the time of Pius XII, polygenism was strongly associated (if not mingled) with polyphyletism (i. e. the theory according to which man came into being independently at several distinct places). And polyphyletism is indeed almost certainly impossible to reconcile with original sin.

And as a side note, genetic evidences clearly show that a biological origin from only two individuals is impossible for the acutal human population. It is rather vain to fight the evidence.
 
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stated that polygenism was a viable option.
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That one sentence, one phrase really, does not justify saying that they “stated that polygenism was a viable option.” They did not say polygenism, and the reference to individual or populations could refer to humanity some number of generations after Adam and Eve. The document does not discuss, even briefly, the problems of original sin, the creation of the first parents, or any other topic that would make polygenism viable.

It is unfortunate that the ITC is permitted to speculate so extensively, without supporting theological arguments.
 
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the reference to individual or populations could refer to humanity some number of generations after Adam and Eve.
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Catholic theology affirms that that the emergence of the first members of the human species (whether as individuals or in populations) represents an event that is not susceptible of a purely natural explanation
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How exactly could “the emergence of the first members of the human species” refer to “humanity some number of generations after Adam and Eve”? Aren’t Adam and Eve the first members of the human species?

Maybe it is me, but I cannot follow the logic here or in other recent posts at all.
 
The New Testament refers to Adam and Eve as real people. As human beings.

Adam is mentioned as a person 9 times in the New Testament.

‘Just as all men fell in Adam, so all men rise in Christ.’
 
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Gospels._

In Luke 3:38 the ancestry of Jesus Christ is traced up to Adam, thereby testifying to the acceptance of the Old Testament genealogies of Gen.
there is aso an allusion to him in Matthew 19:4-6 ( = Mark 10:6-8), referring to Genesis 1:27; 2:24.
 
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II. Epistles._

Adam is used by Paul as the founder of the race and the cause of the introduction of sin in order to point the comparison and contrast with Christ as the Head of the new race and the cause of righteousness.
 
Romans 5:12-21

1 Corinthians 15:22

1 Corinthians 15:45

1 Timothy 2:13,14

Jude 1:14

Adam is stated as the first human being, and with Eve, being the cause of the fallen state of humanity.
 
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Adam and Eve also have a catholic feastday in the Catholic Church’s Calendar of saints feastdays of the year. (As Saints Adam and Eve, as we believe they repented and reached Heaven).
 
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