What makes Mormonism a cult?

[averheyen]

Zerinus,
You believe in mormonism because you are extremely gullible. You believe in mormonism because you have built your life on a lie and cannot gracefully admit your error, even though you are constantly hit between the eyes with trurh and logic. You are the poorest of men, one who is blind and even though offered the gift of sight, chooses to remain in darkness. Too bad.

Though I don’t disagree, that was a little harsh don’t you think?

 

[pigtown]

Can anyone explain why Jesus prayed to His Father when He was on the cross if Jesus and the Father are one and the same?

 

[averheyen]

Can anyone explain why Jesus prayed to His Father when He was on the cross if Jesus and the Father are one and the same?

Yes. We can. And quite eloquently at that.

 

[hosemonkey]

Though I don’t disagree, that was a little harsh don’t you think?

Zerinus does not understand subtlety, he needs to be hit between the eyes. Even so, he and his sidekick Why Me, keep repeating the same ol’ thing, over and over. Why Me is both Catholic and mormon, depending on which flag he chooses to fly at any given moment. Zerinus at least keeps spouting the same tired line.

 

[averheyen]

Zerinus does not understand subtlety, he needs to be hit between the eyes. Even so, he and his sidekick Why Me, keep repeating the same ol’ thing, over and over. Why Me is both Catholic and mormon, depending on which flag he chooses to fly at any given moment. Zerinus at least keeps spouting the same tired line.

I understand.

 

[PaulDupre]

Can anyone explain why Jesus prayed to His Father when He was on the cross if Jesus and the Father are one and the same?

Jesus and the Father are not one and the same person. I don’t know where you people get that idea. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 persons who are one in being. It is God’s nature to exist as a family of three persons.

A dog is one being, zero persons.

You are one being, one person.

God is one being, three persons.

Get it?

Paul

 

[pigtown]

I’m not stupid. I was brought up in the Catholic tradition, Catholic schools, etc. I know all about the Trinity and the “Three in One”. I simply asked if anyone can explain a bit better about Jesus praying to His Father. You haven’t done it and I don’t expect to hear anything more unless it’s negatives. Why can’t people leave other religions alone? Are they bothering you? I don’t think so. You just don’t have anything better to do with your time.

 

[PaulDupre]

Neither, apparently do you. You issued the lamest of challenges that non-Christians always throw at Christians, and I answered it. Now you’re all wounded and pouting because you didn’t stump us.

Your question was predicated on the false assumption “if Jesus and the Father are one and the same”. I simply pointed out that that is not a Christian belief. If you really “know all about the 3 in one” you should have known that.

Give me a break.

Paul

 

[pigtown]

I’d prefer to follow my own beliefs and not stoop so low as to bash other people beliefs. I am not God and do not claim to know everything He wants me to know.
I’m sure that He would prefer that we not argue over every thing and live in peace.
Believe as you wish and let others do the same. God knows what is in our hearts and He is the only one who counts.

 

[dosdog]

I’m not stupid. I was brought up in the Catholic tradition, Catholic schools, etc. I know all about the Trinity and the “Three in One”. I simply asked if anyone can explain a bit better about Jesus praying to His Father. You haven’t done it and I don’t expect to hear anything more unless it’s negatives. Why can’t people leave other religions alone? Are they bothering you? I don’t think so. You just don’t have anything better to do with your time.

Two Christian girls of 11 and 16 kidnapped, converted to Islam and forced to marry
Faisalabad (AsiaNews) – Two Christian girls, little more than children, were kidnapped from their families recently, forcibly converted to Islam and then married off to strangers. Both of the kidnaps took place in Faisalabad, the third largest city in Pakistan, and both were completely ignored by the police. The phenomenon is not a new one however, underlined numerous human rights activist, but it is dangerously on the increase.

Khalil Tahir, chairman of a free legal aid organization “Adal Trust” and a well known Christian lawyer confirms this: “the growing number of attacks against Christians is worrying. We try to aid the victim’s families and at the same time help those who are subjected to this violence legally and practically, but the government must intervene with force if this is to be stopped”. asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=10109&size=A

In India, Catholic churches are regularly burned by Hindu Fundamentalists, and both Hindus and local animist groups have harassed and killed Catholic converts. In Pakistan, which disagrees with India about everything else, an Islamic Fundamentalist government does the same. Even great charity is no protection. Mother Teresa’s Sisters of Charity have been threatened in India and three of them were murdered in Yemen in the 1990s.
Following is the first in a series of articles by Robert Royal, author of the soon-to-be released book Catholic Martyrs of the 20th Century.
catholicherald.com/royal/royal1.htm

Our Sunday Visitor: Persecution of Catholics still alive, oppression’s face fanatic, traditional
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[pigtown]

Incidentally I see that there are a lot of people on here who are not true Christians. After all, Christians are supposed to love their neighbors and I don’t see any love here at all. Oh, well, I’ll certainly pray for you the next time I go to Mass.

 

[PaulDupre]

And when will that be…right after Fast and Testimony Meeting?

 

[pigtown]

I don’t know where you go to Mass but where I go we don’t have testimony meetings. Maybe you go to a Baptist church. I think they have them.

 

[PaulDupre]

Face it pigtown, your cover is blown. You were obviously born Catholic and converted to Mormonism at some point. Reading through your posts, it is very obvious. Being a former Mormon myself, it is easy to spot. You spout the LDS party line, and your view of Catholicism is that of a 12 year-old. Apparently you have never been an adult Catholic.

Why do Mormons do that - come to a Catholic forum and pretend to be Catholic? Do you think it will enable you to catch us off-guard and sneak in some Mormon apologetics without us noticing? Is this the new Mormon missionary technique? Lying for the Lord always fails at some point. You and whyme should just be up front about your intentions.

At least Zerinus has the cahones to be openly Mormon and openly anti-Christian.

Paul

 

[hosemonkey]

I’m not stupid. I was brought up in the Catholic tradition, Catholic schools, etc. I know all about the Trinity and the “Three in One”. I simply asked if anyone can explain a bit better about Jesus praying to His Father. You haven’t done it and I don’t expect to hear anything more unless it’s negatives. Why can’t people leave other religions alone? Are they bothering you? I don’t think so. You just don’t have anything better to do with your time.

You said that you were “brought up in the Catholic tradition” are you in fact, Catholic? A Catholic would not have asked the question that you asked, unless they were poorly instructed or, not Catholic at all. Paul infers that you might be mormon. Why me is another who cannot decide who he is. Sometimes he is Catholic, sometimes he’s mormon. Which are you. I ask, because it is dishonest to fly false colors.

 

[pigtown]

Even though I was brought up Catholic and have had all of my kids baptized in the Church I have studied other religions including Mormon, Lutheran and even some Eastern religions so I feel that I do know something of what others believe. I try to understand others’ beliefs and not label any of them as wrong or cultish. It’s a shame that there are some people who simply want to argue about religion. I have better things to do. This is a waste of valuable time, at least I consider my time to be valuable. Apparently you don’t have a life. That’s a shame!

 

[hosemonkey]

Even though I was brought up Catholic and have had all of my kids baptized in the Church I have studied other religions including Mormon, Lutheran and even some Eastern religions so I feel that I do know something of what others believe. I try to understand others’ beliefs and not label any of them as wrong or cultish. It’s a shame that there are some people who simply want to argue about religion. I have better things to do. This is a waste of valuable time, at least I consider my time to be valuable. Apparently you don’t have a life. That’s a shame!

What you are espousing is called “indifferentism” and is a sin. It means that you believe that one religion is as good or true as another. Can’t happen. One could say that most religions possess elements of truth, but only one possesses the totality of truth. That one Church is the Catholic Church. Outside of the Church, there is no salvation. This is the unchanging doctrine of the Church.

 

[Donald45]

I’d prefer to follow my own beliefs and not stoop so low as to bash other people beliefs.

As I stated in a previous post, and which you apparently chose to ignore:

Since when does acknowledging that the truth-claims of various belief systems are mutually exclusive (that is, cannot all be true) qualify as “bashing another religion”? Can we not, as the Scriptures say, “speak the truth in love” (Eph. 4:15) without “bashing” others? I think we can, and must.

Informing people of possible errors in their belief systems on a public discussion forum does not equate to “bashing” them. If it did, then your criticism that some posters are “bashing” others would itself be a case of “bashing” others!

Blessings,

Don
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[Donald45]

I try to understand others’ beliefs and not label any of them as wrong or cultish.

Then you refuse to draw conclusions that your own Church unambiguously maintains in its official and binding documents, among them The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which “labels as wrong” such non-Christian religious traditions.

Catholicism teaches that God is a self-existing supreme being, and that there are no other Gods. Mormonism teaches that God was once a human being like you and I, and that he “evolved” into a god, though he is but one of many such gods. Now, I ask you: Are both of these views of God correct, or must one of them be “wrong”?

The issue here is truth, which we’re called to communicate with patience and genuine concern for the eternal souls of those with whom we must disagree.

Blessings,

Don
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[Donald45]

If you disagree with what I have said in them, bring it up and we will talk about it.

zerinus

While I don’t have time today, I hope to address your Post #59 after the weekend. Thanks for your comments.

Blessings,

Don
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