What makes somebody a "Traditional" Catholic

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YoungTradCath said:
Does he call himself a “liberal Catholic?” Do you see the pointlessness in asking?
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No…cause he certainly is not a “Liberal Catholic” so it is good he does not…for then he would be lying.

He is a Catholic. He is a Christian (and of course Pope)
 
Big_Feet said:
I would like to say for the record:
I consider myself a traditional Catholic, as I adhere to the norms and beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church as presented to me by said church. I practice this Catholicism of my own free will, and for no other that God, himself. I believe all that we say in the Nicene Creed every Sunday, and believe in the valid succession of the bishop of Rome from Peter to Benedict XVI today.
I participate regularly (all Sundays, and often weekdays) in the Ordinary form of the Latin rite mass in English, as promulgated by the magisterium of the Church, and often perform duties within the mass such as lector and EMHC as directed by my pastor and our bishop. I am raising my children to do the same as my wife and I are doing, and with God’s help, will do so until I enter into His kingdom.
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It is very nice that you do these things, but you are not using the term “traditional Catholic” as it is commonly used and that is likely to cause confusion. Do you want to communicate clearly or do you want to make a point?
 
floresco said:
This is not a convincing argument for your position.
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I do not think you would be convinced no matter what I say… you like the term and want to use it. 😉

When one looks at the terms the Catholic Church uses --such is not a term that is used for any special category of Catholics. Not in the Catechism …not in Canon Law…not in the Professio issued by Bl. Pope John Paul II…not in encyclicals…or Pope Benedict XVI’s Audiences… Homiles…etc etc

The terms used are “Christian” or “Catholic” …
 
When one looks at the terms the Catholic Church uses --such is not a term that is used for any special category of Catholics. Not in the Catechism …not in Canon Law…not in the Professio issued by Bl. Pope John Paul II…not in encyclicals…or Pope Benedict XVI’s Audiences… Homiles…etc etc

The terms used are “Christian” or “Catholic” …
 
When one looks at the terms the Catholic Church uses --such is not a term that is used for any special category of Catholics. Not in the Catechism …not in Canon Law…not in the Professio issued by Bl. Pope John Paul II…not in encyclicals…or Pope Benedict XVI’s Audiences… Homiles…etc etc

The terms used are “Christian” or “Catholic” …
 
Bookcat said:
hum…I do not think you would be convinced no matter what I say… for you like the term and want to use it. 😉
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You seem to have gotten the idea that it is good to keep repeating the same comments over and over again. If you are not doing it to convince people, then why are you?
 
Bookcat said:
When one looks at the terms the Catholic Church uses --such is not a term that is used for any special category of Catholics. Not in the Catechism …not in Canon Law…not in the Professio issued by Bl. Pope John Paul II…not in encyclicals…or Pope Benedict XVI’s Audiences… Homiles…etc etc

The terms used are “Christian” or “Catholic” …
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The term “liberal Catholic” does not occur either. Would you claim that it does not correspond to an actual kind of Catholic?
 
floresco said:
The term “liberal Catholic” does not occur either. Would you claim that it does not correspond to an actual kind of Catholic?
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They would be person who does not accept all the teachings teachings of the Church. But it is not a term either that the Church uses.

One either Professes the Catholic Faith or one does not.

But really liberal is more a of political term…not a theological one.
 
Bookcat said:
But really liberal is more a of political term…not a theological one.
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No it’s not. Liberalism is a philosophy and a worldview that has infected many things in the world including theology.
 
James924 said:
No it’s not. Liberalism is a philosophy and a worldview that has infected many things in the world including theology.
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Granted.

and there are good uses too of the word

catholicreference.net/index.cfm?id=34581

But it is not a term used by the Church to denote some “kind of Catholic”.

If a Catholic rejects the teachings of the Church …they are set themselves against their nature as a Catholic. They are setting themselves against the Church…against the name Catholic.
 
Bookcat said:
They would be a kind of Catholic who does not accept all the teachings teachings of the Church. But it is not a term either that the Church uses.

One either Professes the Catholic Faith or one does not.
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There are different “styles” of being Catholic. There is nothing wrong with having terminology to discuss these. Some Catholics have beliefs and practices that are very similar to my own and I am more comfortable around them. It is useful to have label to identify such people so I can more easily find them. I would actually prefer a term other than “traditional Catholic” but that is the one that is commonly understood. In order to communicate one needs to use the terminology that people understand.
 
Oh oh…lets repeat.

Does Pope Benedict XVI call himself “Traditional Catholic”?

or does he call himself a “Christian” a “Catholic”?
 
floresco said:
There are different “styles” of being Catholic. There is nothing wrong with having terminology to discuss these. Some Catholics have beliefs and practices that are very similar to my own and I am more comfortable around them. It is useful to have label to identify such people so I can more easily find them. I would actually prefer a term other than “traditional Catholic” but that is the one that is commonly understood. In order to communicate one needs to use the terminology that people understand.
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Ok I am a Papal Catholic.

Or a Scripture and Tradition Catholic

Or a Catholic who is a Christian
You see by taking on an aspect that applies to the nature of being Catholic and then using it to define only my little cliche I co-opt a term for myself and my little group …something which belongs by nature to “Catholic”. Hence it would be a misnomer.
 
Bookcat said:
Oh oh…lets repeat.

Does Pope Benedict XVI call himself “Traditional Catholic”?

or does he call himself a “Christian” a “Catholic”?
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In a conversation, the convention is that one responds to the comments of the other and does not simply say the same irrelevant things over and over again.

I suppose this is your way of conceding that you cannot answer my points. I will take this as you admitting that I am right.
 
floresco said:
In a conversation, the convention is that one responds to the comments of the other and does not simply say the same irrelevant things over and over again.

I suppose this is your way of conceding that you cannot answer my points. I will take this as you admitting that I am right.
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Shall I repeat it again? It is a point to be made to all. And one the bears repeating.
 
floresco said:
There are different “styles” of being Catholic. There is nothing wrong with having terminology to discuss these. Some Catholics have beliefs and practices that are very similar to my own and I am more comfortable around them. It is useful to have label to identify such people so I can more easily find them. I would actually prefer a term other than “traditional Catholic” but that is the one that is commonly understood. In order to communicate one needs to use the terminology that people understand.
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Ok I am a Papal Catholic.

Or a Scripture and Tradition Catholic

Or a Catholic who is a Christian.
You see by taking on an aspect that applies to the nature of being Catholic and then using it to define only my little cliche I co-opt a term for myself and my little group …something which belongs by nature to “Catholic”. Hence it would be a misnomer.
 
Bookcat said:
Oh oh…lets repeat.

Does Pope Benedict XVI call himself “Traditional Catholic”?

or does he call himself a “Christian” a “Catholic”?
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Some people call him Maurice… :whistle:

Sorry. Carry on.
 
Bookcat said:
Ok I am a Papal Catholic.

Or a Scripture and Tradition Catholic

Or a Catholic who is a Christian
You see by taking on an aspect that applies to the nature of being Catholic and then using it to define only my little cliche I co-opt a term for myself and my little group …something which belongs by nature to “Catholic”. Hence it would be a misnomer.
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If any of these terms were commonly used for identifying distinct groups within the Church, I expect that I would use them when I wanted to discuss those groups. I use the expression “Charismatic Catholic” although, strictly speaking, all Catholics receive charisms.
 
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