What Mormons Think Of The Trinity

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Hellisreal said:
You are so abusive and hostile, who gives a hoot what you have to say!
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Why then do you ask? Look, I have made it even better this time! I ran out of time to continue to edit the original post; so here is an even better version for you to look at!: 😃
lukewarm said:
He quoted word for word from the text. a “…” insinuates words come after it. Again what was wrong with Paul’s rendering of the text you provided?
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This is what Paul said he said:

“the Council of Nicaea…declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions…”

This is what Elder Holland had actually said:

“the Council of Nicaea to address—among other things—the growing issue of God’s alleged “trinity in unity.” What emerged from the heated contentions of churchmen, philosophers, and ecclesiastical dignitaries came to be known (after another 125 years and three more major councils) as the Nicene Creed, with later reformulations such as the Athanasian Creed. These various evolutions and iterations of creeds—and others to come over the centuries—declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions…”

Did you manage to get your head round it this time?

zerinus

PS: Okay, perhaps I got it wrong. Maybe his “fellow Catholics” are not always as intelligent as I had thought. We can always hope against hope, can’t we.
 
zerinus said:
Why then do you ask? Look, I have made it even better this time! I ran out of time to continue to edit the original post; so here is an even better version for you to look at!: 😃
This is what Paul said he said:

“the Council of Nicaea…declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions…”

This is what Elder Holland had actually said:

“the Council of Nicaea to address—among other things—the growing issue of God’s alleged “trinity in unity.” What emerged from the heated contentions of churchmen, philosophers, and ecclesiastical dignitaries came to be known (after another 125 years and three more major councils) as the Nicene Creed, with later reformulations such as the Athanasian Creed. These various evolutions and iterations of creeds—and others to come over the centuries—declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions…”

Did you manage to get your head round it this time?

zerinus

PS: Okay, perhaps I got it wrong. Maybe his “fellow Catholics” are not always as intelligent as I had thought. We can always hope against hope, can’t we.
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zerinus said:
This is what Paul said he said:

“the Council of Nicaea…declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions…”

This is what Elder Holland had actually said:

“the Council of Nicaea to address—among other things—the growing issue of God’s alleged “trinity in unity.” What emerged from the heated contentions of churchmen, philosophers, and ecclesiastical dignitaries came to be known (after another 125 years and three more major councils) as the Nicene Creed, with later reformulations such as the Athanasian Creed. These various evolutions and iterations of creeds—and others to come over the centuries—declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions…”

Did you manage to get your head round it this time?

zerinus

PS: Okay, perhaps I got it wrong. Maybe his “fellow Catholics” are not always as intelligent as I had thought. We can always hope against hope, can’t we.
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How does the extraneous stuff I left out change the meaning of Elder Holland’s claim that the Nicene Creed says that God the Son is without body, parts or passions? That is the part I wanted to address, so that is the part I quoted.

It is common practice on a forum to quote only the part of a statement that you want to discuss, so long as you don’t change the meaning of that part. How did my use of elipses change Elder Holland’s claim?

You still have not explained your thinking in this. Are you able to explain it, or is this just more of your anti-Gentile venom?

I really want to know.
Paul
 
Zerinius,

Do you know what caused councils to come about to begin with?
 
zerinus said:
This is what Paul said he said:

“the Council of Nicaea…declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions…”

This is what Elder Holland had actually said:

“the Council of Nicaea to address—among other things—the growing issue of God’s alleged “trinity in unity.” What emerged from the heated contentions of churchmen, philosophers, and ecclesiastical dignitaries came to be known (after another 125 years and three more major councils) as the Nicene Creed, with later reformulations such as the Athanasian Creed. These various evolutions and iterations of creeds—and others to come over the centuries—declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions…”

Did you manage to get your head round it this time?

zerinus

PS: Okay, perhaps I got it wrong. Maybe his “fellow Catholics” are not always as intelligent as I had thought. We can always hope against hope, can’t we.
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O.K. and again when you put “…” at the end of a statement within a quote it points to words following it. In fact you just proved Pauls quote was put down just fine.

I could care less about this stupid Trinity argument what you haven’t shown is anything Paul wrote to be misguided.
 
PaulDupre said:
How does the extraneous stuff I left out change the meaning of Elder Holland’s claim that the Nicene Creed says that God the Son is without body, parts or passions? That is the part I wanted to address, so that is the part I quoted.
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That was not “extraneous stuff”. That was the context that you had deliberately omitted in order to distort what he had said.
It is common practice on a forum to quote only the part of a statement that you want to discuss, so long as you don’t change the meaning of that part. How did my use of elipses change Elder Holland’s claim?
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If you don’t know, then I had better not tell you. I doubt if others will not know though.
You still have not explained your thinking in this. Are you able to explain it, or is this just more of your anti-Gentile venom?
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The term “Nicene Creed” does not just refer to the original creed of the council of Nicaea. It refers to the creeds that followed it, culminating to the creed that was formulated by the Council of Constantinople nearly a century later. These creeds laid the groundwork for the false “three in one and the one in three” theology of the Trinity that was eventually formulated in the Athanasian Creed and later formulations of the doctrine, that have prevailed in apostate Christendom to the present day.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
Did you manage to get your head round it this time?

zerinus

PS: Okay, perhaps I got it wrong. Maybe his “fellow Catholics” are not always as intelligent as I had thought. We can always hope against hope, can’t we.
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Z-man, when you get old enough, please serve a mission. As a DL in Taiwan, I assumed leadership of a district that had been “burned over” by a guy just like you. He had bullied, belittled and insulted nearly everyone in town, so much so that no one would speak to any young man with a white shirt, tie and name tag. We non-Mormons need you out in the field. Answer the call. 😉

Bless your heart,
Paul
 
Hellisreal said:
Well, dont keep my in suspense! Tell me.
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I don’t intend to write a history of the creeds for you in here. If you have a problem with what I have said, spell it out clearly, and we will talk about it.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
I don’t intend to write a history of the creeds for you in here. If you have a problem with what I have said, spell it out clearly, and we will talk about it.

zerinus
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What was the purpose of the first 7 ecumenical councils?

Its only 7 for you to clarify for us.
Of many.
 
Why do you guys waste your time with this ornary brainwashed cultist? Seriously just let him rant and seeth on his own. Don’t get your magic underpants in a bunch Zerenius I’ll rub my Jupiter talisman for good luck tonight before bed and stare into a hat with a magic rock to see what God wants me to do. How do people believe this ****?
 
zerinus said:
I don’t intend to write a history of the creeds for you in here. If you have a problem with what I have said, spell it out clearly, and we will talk about it.

zerinus
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Mormon to English dictionary -
Noun - mormon spin
I really dont know but I will make you think I do
 
lukewarm said:
Why do you guys waste your time with this ornary brainwashed cultist? Seriously just let him rant and seeth on his own. Don’t get your magic underpants in a bunch Zerenius I’ll rub my Jupiter talisman for good luck tonight before bed and stare into a hat with a magic rock to see what God wants me to do. How do people believe this ****?
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Dear Lukewarm,

We are here to do this:

Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. 1 Peter 3:15

I had to post this elsewhere tonight, to someone who is “bible only”.

shrug

Its what we do.

But, the fruits of our labor will be the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

And the Holy Spirit speaks in Love.
 
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