The Bible describes Jesus in language that sometimes can be understood to mean “uncreated” and sometimes to mean “created”. It is one of those scriptural mysteries that we have to admit we do not at the present time understand. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect God to explain to us on demand every mystery that only He Himself understands, but has chosen not to fully reveal to us at the present time.
No, that is not what I said. I explained to you how the Bible refers to Jesus. I accept that what the Bible says is true—in both instances. The question is, how do we reconcile the apparent discrepancy? My answer to that is, we can’t, because the mystery has not been revealed to us. There must be a sense in which Jesus is created, and a sense in which He is uncreated. But how the two play out God has not revealed, and I don’t know.
PaulDupre;2860135:
From Joseph Smith, of course.am sure this is not in Genesiswhere do they get these things from?
Paul
BartBurk;2860085:
Mormons believe that matter is uncreated and has always existed, so there was no creation as a Christian would understand it (i.e.: creation from nothing). Mormons believe that their god hasn’t the power to create. He can only reorganize existing matter.wow so my question is meaningless lol.
so we were never created? we were born out of nothing? no creation? there is no Reason for our existence?
where is the difference between God and man then?
Paul
PaulDupre;2860135:
No, not close. Mormons believe that we are all made of the same matter that has always existed. The Mormon gods are the same nature and species as we are, only more advanced. In Mormonism there is no God in the sense that you and I think of God.aha am getting things now. So we’re like an extension of God…we and God are of the same source, uncreated and eternal? am i close?
Paul
So Jesus is God? Has he always been so?
Any Mormon who knows his faith will tell you that when they say “create”, they mean “organize”. When they say “God”, they mean an exalted human who was not always god, and used to be just like us but progressed to godhood. When they (nowadays) say “we believe in the trinity”, they mean they believe in 3 non-infinite gods who cooperate together in one purpose.
do they base this on reading the Bible, Genesis? or is it based on someone’s wide imagination?
ok does God exist before matter or both existed at the same time? is God included in the “matter”? or is it that God existed with everything else and was equal to matter but later became superior to it?
where did we exist before? dont tell me in a different planet.
godS?? more advanced? in other words, i can become a god as well if i “work on it”?
am trying to get it but its so “alien”. So there is no Creator, Omnipotent, Omnipresent ecc? or are these “aquired” attributes? like i can become omnipotent as well?
i feel like am reading some science fiction about aliens
Your mocking attitude towards Mormonism is unconvincing. You give me the impression of someone who has become genuinely interested in Mormonism, but is too shy to admit it. Well, you need not be. The right way to investigate Mormonism is to go to authoritative sources, which ultimately is the scriptural canon of the Church, which includes the Book of Mormon. That is where I would begin, if I were you.where did we exist before? dont tell me in a different planet
godS?? more advanced? in other words, i can become a god as well if i “work on it”?
am trying to get it but its so “alien”. So there is no Creator, Omnipotent, Omnipresent ecc? or are these “aquired” attributes? like i can become omnipotent as well?
i feel like am reading some science fiction about aliens
Is this really what the mormon church teaches!!!I would say that is very accurate …
Regardless of whether you understand Mormonism or not (I am sure you don’t), your attitude was a mocking one. You should resist that temptation if your ultimate goal is to know the truth.
That itself is a meaningless question. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to do better than that.
I have noticed that you appear to be quite well informed about Islam. If your search for the truth is sincere, you will eventually find it.
Yep, different planet - the one where the Mormon god lives.PaulDupre;2860458 said:where did we exist before? dont tell me in a different planet
Yep, but only if you are a Mormon and work on it.godS?? more advanced? in other words, i can become a god as well if i “work on it”?
The Mormon god is not omnipotent, since he only one of billions of gods and he cannot create from nothing. He is not omnipresent, since he is confined to a physical body and lives on a planet which orbits a star named Kolob.
Well, since the Mormon god is a humanoid who lives on another planet, then yes you’re reading about sci-fi aliens.i feel like am reading some science fiction about aliens
God bless you,
Paul
The problem with that, Z, is that the Book of Mormon does not reveal the deep dark doctrines of Mormonism. It is a bait-and-switch game. You read the Book of Mormon and think that Mormonism is a form of Protestantism, then at some point after you are baptised (and especially after you go to the temple), you realize you’ve been duped into a non-Christian space-alien cult. :tsktsk:
