What Mormons Think Of The Trinity

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PaulDupre said:
The problem with that, Z, is that the Book of Mormon does not reveal the deep dark doctrines of Mormonism. It is a bait-and-switch game. You read the Book of Mormon and think that Mormonism is a form of Protestantism, then at some point after you are baptised (and especially after you go to the temple), you realize you’ve been duped into a non-Christian space-alien cult. :tsktsk:

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inJESUS is not someone who can be easily duped, especially by your kind of shallow deception. I have read her posts about Islam, and I have noticed that when she decides to study something, she knows how to get down into the heart of the thing. She has an intellectual mind, and she knows how to peel away the skin of something and get down into the real meat of the thing. So I am not worried that she would be duped by your deceptive tactics. The only time she is likely to be deceived would be if she chose to deceive herself. Hopefully she is wise enough not to.

zerinus
 
First, a little history on me, I was raised in a home where religion was something that we were able to “choose” and though I was taught to pray and believe in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ I was never taken to church on a regular basis. Recently I moved to an area and began working with a group of Mormons; they asked me to meet with the missionaries…and I admit I was duped :o I had spent so much of my life searching and boy did those missionaries (and my boss and the other two people I worked with…) have answers to all of my questions. And gosh, they changed everything around to make it seem so good. I was baptized in March of '06 and left the church in March of '07. This September I was baptized in my local Catholic parish after meeting privately with the priest for a few months.
What I find interesting when I read these threads is that there is a lot of Mormon doctrine that was hidden from me. In fact I remember a specific lie; as I was preparing for baptism a friend (rightly worried about me) told me about Mormons believing that you can become a god and have your own planet. One of my coworkers told me that he had no idea what that was about, and the other sat me down and told me they thought this was a confusion of the idea that man can become godLIKE and always want to aim to be more Christ-like in our daily life. That sounds good right? I was quieted into believing that this was ok. The fellowship seemed so good and was giving me something that I lacked in my family life. At this church everyone loved me and was so excited to see me every Sunday (for FOUR hours of church…eek!) that I was more enticed by that “family” than by anything the church taught.
I live in Southeast Colorado and was greatly affected by the snow storm. I feel certain that the snow storm was for my own benefit. I was scheduled to go to the Temple for the first time the day the snow started :eek: and since the trip was post-poned I was able to read more and get a better understanding of that cult. I do not use that word lightly, I was harrassed and insulted after leaving the church. I was made to feel uncomfortable by the people I work with and basically shunned by my “friends”.
IMHO all of Mormon doctrine seems to contradict itself, and the people that defend it are so confused that they project anger or, as in “z’s” case just avoid ALL questions altogether with “I don’t understand what you’re asking…” etc.
A mistake that has made me more humble, and certainly more wary.

Pax,
Jea9
 
Jea9 said:
First, a little history on me, I was raised in a home where religion was something that we were able to “choose” and though I was taught to pray and believe in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ I was never taken to church on a regular basis. Recently I moved to an area and began working with a group of Mormons; they asked me to meet with the missionaries…and I admit I was duped :o I had spent so much of my life searching and boy did those missionaries (and my boss and the other two people I worked with…) have answers to all of my questions. And gosh, they changed everything around to make it seem so good. I was baptized in March of '06 and left the church in March of '07. This September I was baptized in my local Catholic parish after meeting privately with the priest for a few months.
What I find interesting when I read these threads is that there is a lot of Mormon doctrine that was hidden from me. In fact I remember a specific lie; as I was preparing for baptism a friend (rightly worried about me) told me about Mormons believing that you can become a god and have your own planet. One of my coworkers told me that he had no idea what that was about, and the other sat me down and told me they thought this was a confusion of the idea that man can become godLIKE and always want to aim to be more Christ-like in our daily life. That sounds good right? I was quieted into believing that this was ok. The fellowship seemed so good and was giving me something that I lacked in my family life. At this church everyone loved me and was so excited to see me every Sunday (for FOUR hours of church…eek!) that I was more enticed by that “family” than by anything the church taught.
I live in Southeast Colorado and was greatly affected by the snow storm. I feel certain that the snow storm was for my own benefit. I was scheduled to go to the Temple for the first time the day the snow started :eek: and since the trip was post-poned I was able to read more and get a better understanding of that cult. I do not use that word lightly, I was harrassed and insulted after leaving the church. I was made to feel uncomfortable by the people I work with and basically shunned by my “friends”.
IMHO all of Mormon doctrine seems to contradict itself, and the people that defend it are so confused that they project anger or, as in “z’s” case just avoid ALL questions altogether with “I don’t understand what you’re asking…” etc.
A mistake that has made me more humble, and certainly more wary.

Pax,
Jea9
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This sounds like an obvious made-up story to me.

zerinus
 
This sounds like an obvious made-up story to me.

zerinus
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Now, zerinus, that’s really funny to me. How much easier my life would be if it were! I have absolutely nothing to gain from making up such a story, but it seems that you are doing just as I stated in my post…projecting anger onto something you don’t understand or know how to respond to. Those Mormons that I know that are not angry would tell you that you are not behaving very Christ-like 😉 Do you not attend seminary? Have you served a Mission? Are you going to? Will you tell your bishop about all these angry posts? It seems like the bishop of our local LDS would think that you would make a very disagreeable missionary… 🤷
Pax,
Jea9
 
*Our first and foremost article of faith in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.”2 We believe these three divine persons constituting a single Godhead are united in purpose, in manner, in testimony, in mission. We believe Them to be filled with the same godly sense of mercy and love, justice and grace, patience, forgiveness, and redemption. I think it is accurate to say we believe They are one in every significant and eternal aspect imaginable except believing Them to be three persons combined in one substance, a Trinitarian notion never set forth in the scriptures because it is not true.
*

We declare it is self-evident from the scriptures that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate persons, three divine beings, noting such unequivocal illustrations as the Savior’s great Intercessory Prayer just mentioned, His baptism at the hands of John, the experience on the Mount of Transfiguration, and the martyrdom of Stephen—to name just four.

Elder Jeffrey R. Holland
Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

Seems pretty clear that they reject the notion of the Trinity as understood by Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians.
 
PaulDupre said:
The problem with that, Z, is that the Book of Mormon does not reveal the deep dark doctrines of Mormonism. It is a bait-and-switch game. You read the Book of Mormon and think that Mormonism is a form of Protestantism, then at some point after you are baptised (and especially after you go to the temple), you realize you’ve been duped into a non-Christian space-alien cult. :tsktsk:

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That’s exactly what I thought! I thought it was another protestant denomination, but after seeing a video somebody posted. Wow… I had no Idea.
 
The Mutants from Kolob teach that the entity they call God the Father and a father (and mother) before him who became gods, THEY had parents who became gods, and so on.

If this is not polytheism, what is?

The Mormonoids are a polytheistic fertility cult, and not Christian.
 
zerinus said:
Your mocking attitude towards Mormonism is unconvincing. You give me the impression of someone who has become genuinely interested in Mormonism, but is too shy to admit it. Well, you need not be. The right way to investigate Mormonism is to go to authoritative sources, which ultimately is the scriptural canon of the Church, which includes the Book of Mormon. That is where I would begin, if I were you.

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Which of course would say of itself it’s the right choice.

Circular logic.
 
Jea9 said:
Now, zerinus, that’s really funny to me. How much easier my life would be if it were! I have absolutely nothing to gain from making up such a story, but it seems that you are doing just as I stated in my post…projecting anger onto something you don’t understand or know how to respond to. Those Mormons that I know that are not angry would tell you that you are not behaving very Christ-like 😉 Do you not attend seminary? Have you served a Mission? Are you going to? Will you tell your bishop about all these angry posts? It seems like the bishop of our local LDS would think that you would make a very disagreeable missionary… 🤷
Pax,
Jea9
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Zerinus is a child, a teenager who has not been to the temple, nor has he served a mission. Someone has deceived him to think that the only doctrine that Mormons teach is in their “scriptures”. He does not acknowledge the teachings in the LDS Gospel Essentials or Gospel Doctrine manuals, the missionary lessons, the articles in the Ensign magazine or LDS General Conference talks. In other words, he does not believe in living prophets, he only believes in “dead scripture”. He is therefore not a real Mormon, so you should think that he represents actual LDS beliefs.

Paul
 
bpbasilphx said:
The Mutants from Kolob teach that the entity they call God the Father and a father (and mother) before him who became gods, THEY had parents who became gods, and so on.

If this is not polytheism, what is?

The Mormonoids are a polytheistic fertility cult, and not Christian.
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That tells it like it is!! Mormon teaching is like this " in the begininng, the head of the Gods called a council of Gods and they all came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people… . Can you imagine what our Lord is thinking about all of this?..Oh how sad he must be:crying:
 
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Just on the front page of the Book of Mormon it says “Another Testament of Jesus” or in another BOM “A second Testament of Jesus”

Galatians 1
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for **a different gospel;

7 which is really not another**; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if** we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! **

9As we have said before, so I say again now, **if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! **

10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.
  1. They have, at least, three gods.
**
Deuteronomy 6:4**
" Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

Malachi 2:10
Sin in the Family ] "Do we not all have one father? Has not **one God **created us? Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?

Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
  1. From the LDS Doctrines
Apostle
One sent forth to serve as a special witness of Jesus Christ. There are 15 Apostles living on the earth today. They make up the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church.

Acts 1

15At this time Peter stood up in the midst of the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was there together), and said,

16"Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.

17"For **he was counted among us and received his share in this ministry." **

18(Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out.

19And it became known to all who were living in Jerusalem; so that in their own language that field was called Hakeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)

20"For it is written in the book of Psalms,
‘LET HIS HOMESTEAD BE MADE DESOLATE,
AND LET NO ONE DWELL IN IT’;
and,
** ‘LET ANOTHER MAN TAKE HIS OFFICE.’ **

21"Therefore it is necessary that of **the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us–

22beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us–one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection." **

23So they put forward two men, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was also called Justus), and Matthias.

24And **they prayed **and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, **show which one of these two You have chosen **

**25to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." **

26And they drew lots for them, and **the lot fell to Matthias; and he was added to the eleven apostles. **

It says in order to be a “witness” you had to have been “there” to “witness” everything from the baptism of Jesus to His Resurection !

No one in our time can be an Apostle!
  1. There was no TOTAL APOSTASY!
so who do you believe a man or God? Jesus told us…

**Matthew 16:18 **

18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Joseph Smith’s church says…

We now live in a time when the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored. But unlike the Church in times past, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will not be overcome by general apostasy. The scriptures teach that the Church will never again be destroyed (see D&C 138:44; see also Daniel 2:44).

So what Jesus did not keep His word but Joseph did?

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valient_Lucy said:
*Our first and foremost article of faith in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.”2 We believe these three divine persons constituting a single Godhead are united in purpose, in manner, in testimony, in mission. We believe Them to be filled with the same godly sense of mercy and love, justice and grace, patience, forgiveness, and redemption. I think it is accurate to say we believe They are one in every significant and eternal aspect imaginable except believing Them to be three persons combined in one substance, a Trinitarian notion never set forth in the scriptures because it is not true.
*

We declare it is self-evident from the scriptures that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate persons, three divine beings, noting such unequivocal illustrations as the Savior’s great Intercessory Prayer just mentioned, His baptism at the hands of John, the experience on the Mount of Transfiguration, and the martyrdom of Stephen—to name just four.

Elder Jeffrey R. Holland
Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

Seems pretty clear that they reject the notion of the Trinity as understood by Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians.
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Of course they do. Elder Holland couldn’t have made it any clearer that they do. He did not try to hide the fact that they do.

zerinus
 
Z

One of the most difficult things for me to overcome when my faith as Mormon was criticized when I was a teen was that I did not understand that my religion was being attacked and not my person.

I have read this thread through a few times and have posted on it some, usually on doctrine and not much else. The others who post here have tried to be understanding, though I know you don’t see it that way, but what you have not grasped is that you speak contradiction upon contradiction and then refuse to answer after them which makes you sound like you are firing off platitudes which you have heard somewhere else but have not grasped what they mean.

I hope as you grow up and see more of the world you will also expand the horizons of your mind and see for yourself the problems with the LDS faith. When you do, I hope you come here and to a local a church where you can be helped to understand that you were duped and grow beyond into a faith with the true and living God. For truly our God is One.

Z, I hope you can see that we mean you no harm but rather only desire to shine the light on you that you may see that you are in darkness and come out from it.

Until then, God bless you and yours and may He reveal truth to you here and everywhere else you go. 🙂
 
PaulDupre said:
inJESUS;2863347 said:
Yep, different planet - the one where the Mormon god lives.
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mmm actually i was kidding but seems my joke is what it is taught:D
Yep, but only if you are a Mormon and work on it.
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is there any mormon who “reached” this level? do they have gods among themselves?
The Mormon god is not omnipotent, since he only one of billions of gods and he cannot create from nothing. He is not omnipresent, since he is confined to a physical body and lives on a planet which orbits a star named Kolob.
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then i think they should create a different noun than God cuz obviouly we are not talking about the same thing:shrug:
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inJESUS said:
Zerinus, is there a Book of Mormon online for me to read?
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Yes, all LDS standard works are online to read from the Church’s website. You can start here. However, the Book of Mormon is sizable book. It is about 500 pages long, and has a complex structure in places. It is not so convenient to read online. You would be much better off obtaining a copy the book. You can obtain a free copy from any Mormon missionary, or your local branch of the Church. Look up the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the phone book. Depending on where you live, you should have several options listed. If you give them a ring, somebody will tell you a convenient way to obtain a free copy of the book.

zerinus
 
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