What Mormons Think Of The Trinity

[dosdog]

actually Mormonism does not exist in my country thats why i’d look for something online.

Mormonism dosent exists in any country - It only exists in Z’s Imagination! and on Krypton & Kolob

 

[zerinus]

actually Mormonism does not exist in my country thats why i’d look for something online.

Sorry to hear that. In that case, you can request a copy direct from the Church by following this link. You can also locate the nearest LDS church in your country (if there is one) by following this link. The Church is bound to have some kind of presence in your country, even if it consists of expatriate Americans. Almost any Mormon you meet would be happy to give you one. There are lots of other ways that I could think of for you to obtain a copy, including buying one from your nearest LDS distribution center by following this link. But why buy it when you can get one for free! If all else fails, email your private address to me, and I will send you a copy free of charge.

zerinus

 

[inJESUS]

Zerinus,

i do not live in the States. Am from Lebanon. There are neither Mormons, nor Mormon church, nor Mormon libraries, and the majority of Lebanese do not even know it exists or what it means. This is why am asking for online stuff. thx anyway i already got some links.

 

[zerinus]

Zerinus,

i do not live in the States. Am from Lebanon. There are neither Mormons, nor Mormon church, nor Mormon libraries, and the majority of Lebanese do not even know it exists or what it means. This is why am asking for online stuff. thx anyway i already got some links.

There used to be a famous American university in Beirut, which employed lots of American professors. But that was before all the troubles started. I suppose they have all left by now. I bet there are still some Mormons left in Lebanon, but they are keeping a low profile. They don’t want to get into trouble! If there are any Mormons in the Middle East, They are most likely to be found in Lebanon, because of its large and well established Christian community. In any case, if you write to any of the Church offices whose addresses you can find on the Internet, and explain your situation and request a copy of the Book of Mormon, it will eventually get passed on to the right people, and you will get a free copy.

zerinus

 

[Dia_Jen_Feng]

OK I grew up in the Mormon Church and reached the level of high priest (not as exciting as it sounds I was 14).

The Mormon Church teaches that Jesus was the Archangel Michael in the ‘pre-existsence’ and that He only became God when He assumed the mantel by perfect obedience to the Father. This teaching is also vaguley flavored by the later teachings of Pelagius whom Augustine swept aside. The LDS Church absolutely denies the co-eternal nature of the Christ and in doing so steps away from a doctrine which was established and agreed upon before Nicea in 325. In fact this question began when John wrote “and God was the Word” in John 1:1.

Sorry but at age 14yrs or even 15yrs you could have only been a Teacher in the Aaronic Priesthood.

Mormon’s do not believe that Archangel Michael was Jesus you might want to brush off your Doctrine and Covenents and read 27:11 to see who they believe Michael was.

If they believe this Nicaean Doctrine of the trinity before roman emporeror Conatantine convened this council why was it necessary to even hold it? So your statement or use of the phrase “before Nicaea” must be disreguared.

My John 1:1 in my King James version it says " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Checked the other translations you may have referenced and did not find it stated that way.

 

[zerinus]

bogeydogg;2848761:

OK I grew up in the Mormon Church and reached the level of high priest (not as exciting as it sounds I was 14).

The Mormon Church teaches that Jesus was the Archangel Michael in the ‘pre-existsence’ and that He only became God when He assumed the mantel by perfect obedience to the Father. This teaching is also vaguley flavored by the later teachings of Pelagius whom Augustine swept aside. The LDS Church absolutely denies the co-eternal nature of the Christ and in doing so steps away from a doctrine which was established and agreed upon before

Nicea in 325. In fact this question began when John wrote “and God was the Word” in John 1:1.

Sorry but at age 14yrs or even 15yrs you could have only been a Teacher in the Aaronic Priesthood.

Mormon’s do not believe that Archangel Michael was Jesus you might want to brush off your Doctrine and Covenents and read 27:11 to see who they believe Michael was.

If they believe this Nicaean Doctrine of the trinity before roman emporeror Conatantine convened this council why was it necessary to even hold it? So your statement or use of the phrase “before Nicaea” must be disreguared.

My John 1:1 in my King James version it says " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Checked the other translations you may have referenced and did not find it stated that way.

Thank you Dia Jen Feng, and welcome to the board.

zerinus

 

[RebeccaJ]

bogeydogg;2848761:

OK I grew up in the Mormon Church and reached the level of high priest (not as exciting as it sounds I was 14).

The Mormon Church teaches that Jesus was the Archangel Michael in the ‘pre-existsence’ and that He only became God when He assumed the mantel by perfect obedience to the Father. This teaching is also vaguley flavored by the later teachings of Pelagius whom Augustine swept aside. The LDS Church absolutely denies the co-eternal nature of the Christ and in doing so steps away from a doctrine which was established and agreed upon before

Nicea in 325. In fact this question began when John wrote “and God was the Word” in John 1:1.

Sorry but at age 14yrs or even 15yrs you could have only been a Teacher in the Aaronic Priesthood.

Mormon’s do not believe that Archangel Michael was Jesus you might want to brush off your Doctrine and Covenents and read 27:11 to see who they believe Michael was.

Doesn’t change what he was saying, which was, Mormons deny the co-eternal nature of Jesus and God the Father. And I’ll add that Mormonism denies that God is eternally God.

If they believe this Nicaean Doctrine of the trinity before roman emporeror Conatantine convened this council why was it necessary to even hold it? So your statement or use of the phrase “before Nicaea” must be disreguared.

Is it reasonable to discard what you don’t know? I suggest you study up on Christian history, from the Apostles onward, without skipping 1800 years. Hint: Heresies of Arius.

My John 1:1 in my King James version it says " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Checked the other translations you may have referenced and did not find it stated that way.

So he got the quote backwards, that does not change what he was saying.

 

[Dia_Jen_Feng]

Dia Jen Feng;2871986:
Is it reasonable to discard what you don’t know? I suggest you study up on Christian history, from the Apostles onward, without skipping 1800 years. Hint: Heresies of Arius.

RebeccaJ,

Actually I was researching when I ran into this thread. Studied the Nicene Creed, The Council of Sardician, The Definition of the Council of Chalcedon Ad 451, and the Athanasian Creed 9th century which I guess is what the Catholics have finaly settled on? (question have to assume based on the time line).

Arius had it right, I like him. Thanks for the tip.

Prior to the council at Nicaea there were at least 4 councils before the Council of Sardician in 341, which were discussing this topic. The council of Sardician was called to “series of councils called to adjust the doctrinal and other difficulties caused by the Arian heresy” which dealt with this topic. Anyway the use of the phrase “before Nicaea” must be disreguarded becuase it was still up in the air.

Apostacy was rampant wasn’t it?

 

[RebeccaJ]

RebeccaJ;2873738:

Is it reasonable to discard what you don’t know? I suggest you study up on Christian history, from the Apostles onward, without skipping 1800 years. Hint: Heresies of Arius.

RebeccaJ,

Actually I was researching when I ran into this thread. Studied the Nicene Creed, The Council of Sardician, The Definition of the Council of Chalcedon Ad 451, and the Athanasian Creed 9th century which I guess is what the Catholics have finaly settled on? (question have to assume based on the time line).

Arius had it right, I like him. Thanks for the tip.

Prior to the council at Nicaea there were at least 4 councils before the Council of Sardician in 341, which were discussing this topic. The council of Sardician was called to “series of councils called to adjust the doctrinal and other difficulties caused by the Arian heresy” which dealt with this topic. Anyway the use of the phrase “before Nicaea” must be disreguarded becuase it was still up in the air.

Apostacy was rampant wasn’t it?

There was no “up in the air” of any sort. Martyrs died from the very beginning, professing faith in ONE TRUE GOD. They, and the Christian faithful like them were in no confusion in what they believed. Early Church writing, all long before the Council of Nicaea, clearly state a Trinitarian belief, both in doctrine and the belief of Christians, in all areas where Christianity had taken root.

And yes, the Catholic Church is the protector of Christianity. Which includes protecting Christ’s teaching against heresies. Including Arianism, Mormonism and a long list of 'isms.

The Arians were not following Christ’s teachings. Neither are Mormons. And like all heretical sects who are in error you believe, in ignorance, that you are correct.

 

[RebeccaJ]

There used to be a famous American university in Beirut, which employed lots of American professors. But that was before all the troubles started. I suppose they have all left by now. I bet there are still some Mormons left in Lebanon, but they are keeping a low profile. They don’t want to get into trouble! If there are any Mormons in the Middle East, They are most likely to be found in Lebanon, because of its large and well established Christian community. In any case, if you write to any of the Church offices whose addresses you can find on the Internet, and explain your situation and request a copy of the Book of Mormon, it will eventually get passed on to the right people, and you will get a free copy.

zerinus

Stop trying to get missionaries and mormons to the door of inJesus. The BoM can be read online and can be printed if a hard copy is the preference. There is no reason for you to be encouraging contact with mormons other than a conversion effort.

Stop proselytizing on a Catholic BBS. It is not here for your purposes. People don’t spend their time, effort and money on running this forum in order for you to lead people to mormonism.

 

[zerinus]

Stop trying to get missionaries and mormons to the door of inJesus. The BoM can be read online and can be printed if a hard copy is the preference. There is no reason for you to be encouraging contact with mormons other than a conversion effort.

Stop proselytizing on a Catholic BBS. It is not here for your purposes. People don’t spend their time, effort and money on running this forum in order for you to lead people to mormonism.

The request came from her. She wanted information on reading the Book of Mormon, and I directed her how to get one. I couldn’t care less to be honest whether you like it or not.

zerinus

 

[dosdog]

The request came from her. She wanted information on reading the Book of Mormon, and I directed her how to get one. I couldn’t care less to be honest whether you like it or not.

zerinus

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[RebeccaJ]

The request came from her. She wanted information on reading the Book of Mormon, and I directed her how to get one. I couldn’t care less to be honest whether you like it or not.

zerinus

Really?

inJesus:

Zerinus, is there a Book of Mormon online for me to read?

PaulDupre:

You can read all of the LDS scriptures online at scriptures.lds.org/

zerinus:

Yes, all LDS standard works are online to read from the Church’s website. You can start here. However, the Book of Mormon is sizable book. It is about 500 pages long, and has a complex structure in places. It is not so convenient to read online. You would be much better off obtaining a copy the book. You can obtain a free copy from any Mormon missionary, or your local branch of the Church. Look up the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the phone book. Depending on where you live, you should have several options listed. If you give them a ring, somebody will tell you a convenient way to obtain a free copy of the book.

**This is zerinus, trying to get the missionaries to inJesus’ door.

**

inJesus:

actually Mormonism does not exist in my country thats why i’d look for something online.

zerinus:

Sorry to hear that. In that case, you can request a copy direct from the Church by following this link. You can also locate the nearest LDS church in your country (if there is one) by following this link. The Church is bound to have some kind of presence in your country, even if it consists of expatriate Americans. Almost any Mormon you meet would be happy to give you one. There are lots of other ways that I could think of for you to obtain a copy, including buying one from your nearest LDS distribution center by following this link. But why buy it when you can get one for free! If all else fails, email your private address to me, and I will send you a copy free of charge.

Stop pretending.

 

[fierysword1920]

No actually he isn’t, mormons are so convoluted in their theology that very few actually know what their church teaches. Most of you guys don’t even accept Jesus as being part of the trinity. You guys are closer to islam than christianity in that regard. Keep on believing that Christ was in America evangelizing and giving divine revelation to a drunkard named Joseph Smith.
Oh by the way how many wives do you currently have:thumbsup:

You are the one who is lying about Elder Holland. That is not what he said.

zerinus

 

[fierysword1920]

Then what did he say, your dodging the question because you know he is right.

You did not. You quoted out of context, and you omitted a lot of stuff in the middle. What do you think, people are stupid? You don’t seem to have a lot of respect for the intelligence of your fellow Catholics. I don’t think they will be very pleased if you keep treating them like they were idiots.

zerinus

 

[fierysword1920]

It has already been declared by the true church, the Catholic church, that Christ ascended into Heaven in his glorified body. Mormons have always tried to use veiled attempts at downgrading Christ. If anyone wants to find out the truth about Jw’s and mormons go to Pillar of fire Pillar of truth and it gives all of the real truth behind these cults.

How does the extraneous stuff I left out change the meaning of Elder Holland’s claim that the Nicene Creed says that God the Son is without body, parts or passions? That is the part I wanted to address, so that is the part I quoted.

It is common practice on a forum to quote only the part of a statement that you want to discuss, so long as you don’t change the meaning of that part. How did my use of elipses change Elder Holland’s claim?

You still have not explained your thinking in this. Are you able to explain it, or is this just more of your anti-Gentile venom?

I really want to know.
Paul

 

[fierysword1920]

He’s not kidding guys he really does not have any idea what we are talking about, but he does want everybody to think that he and his real God Joseph Smith will be in some science fiction multi level paradise where they can drink beer and chase around one of their 20 different wives.

No idea what you are talking about.

Answer same as above.

zerinus

 

[RebeccaJ]

He’s not kidding guys he really does not have any idea what we are talking about, but he does want everybody to think that he and his real God Joseph Smith will be in some science fiction multi level paradise where they can drink beer and chase around one of their 20 different wives.

zerinus has no interest in understanding. He is only here to promote his religion and the beliefs they hold.

 

[Kristine1957]

actually Mormonism does not exist in my country thats why i’d look for something online.

inJesus FYI:
Just be careful to what you see online and what some mormon members tell you. The Book of Mormon has been changed…edited…several times. What might be in today’s Book of Mormon wasn’t in the first book or other books after that. This religion changes thier beliefs so then they have to change thier books.

 

[Kristine1957]

zerinus has no interest in understanding. He is only here to promote his religion and the beliefs they hold.

AMEN to that!! He is using this forum to promote his mormon beliefs.
Funny though when he can’t find an answer he avoids the question…:yawn: