What Muslims are taught in their mosques - unbiased

[Palladio]

careful, fatma might label you a bigot…

Sticks and stones…

 

[fatma]

im a bigot???

All im saying is the truth, we believe in the bible and not the quran.
What is so ‘bigot’ about that??
listen to yourself…
I stand up for my fellow catholic booklover and that makes me a bigot. Honestly love, you have got it sooooo wrong!
But you have made me laugh… thank you
God Bless

oh and the part about muslims continue to preach their beliefs here, i was refering more so to the cutting and pasting we have to read over and over again, its a bit tiresome, dont you agree?

Yes two bigots from australia how embarassing for a fellow aussie

Impatience, yes, intolerance, no: tolerance is a political value and right in the West.

A political religion founded by a warlord, Islam is by its very nature and history intolerant. One of its faithful has, on this Catholic site, proudly vaunted that by prophecy and in fact Islam is going to dominate the world.

The wisdom in seeing Islam as a threat is old; consider these words of genius by a great philosopher, David Hume:
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For the hatred spewed by Muslims in Britain–where their numbers are legion–see the recent BBC 4 report on line: it is to make one weep.

Last, I would suggest that Muslims go on Catholic and Christian sites and that it is best to ignore them, as I know from hard experience.

I have canceled my membership in one such site because the Muslims and the Atheists prevented too much of an opportunity for sin, which we foreswear in our acts of contrition.

No, I am not saying whatever you say to them say nothing, but beware: they are here to stir things up, nothing more, nothing less, and living a Catholic life is hard enough without entertaining Satan in our homes.

haha david hume should have stuck to what he knew and as an atheist not to be relied on to be objective about religion
haha u rely on an atheist to support your views of islam and in your next sentence you declare that both are like satan entering your home. You are too ridiculous, you have allowed satan into your mind and your computer, quick get an exorcism.

careful, fatma might label you a bigot…

 

[saint_damo]

Everything us catholics read in the quran is false, or dont you understand that?
Everything we read in the bible IS the truth!
We will never see anything otherwise, but muslims continue to preach their religious beliefs here!!!
Now some people just amaze me!

its funny you should say that because most fanatical muslims are equally certain as you that only their book is true. Close minds seem to exist in many faiths:shrug:

 

[Palladio]

Yes two bigots from australia how embarassing for a fellow aussie

haha david hume should have stuck to what he knew and as an atheist not to be relied on to be objective about religion
haha u rely on an atheist to support your views of islam and in your next sentence you declare that both are like satan entering your home. You are too ridiculous, you have allowed satan into your mind and your computer, quick get an exorcism.

Hume was a theist of a very special kind, but how his belief or unbelief touch his argument about the Koran and Islam is another matter, which you treat by an ad hominem attack on him.

I read, in several languages, whatever I can lay my hands on: Hume is a genius, as every literate person knows.

Islam is a misfortune, which I pray will not be visited on the U. S. as it has been in the Middle East Europe and the U. K.

God bless you.

 

[Booklover]

im a bigot???

All im saying is the truth, we believe in the bible and not the quran.
What is so ‘bigot’ about that??
listen to yourself…
I stand up for my fellow catholic booklover and that makes me a bigot. Honestly love, you have got it sooooo wrong!
But you have made me laugh… thank you
God Bless

oh and the part about muslims continue to preach their beliefs here, i was refering more so to the cutting and pasting we have to read over and over again, its a bit tiresome, dont you agree?

Thanks, Dolphinlove! It’s typical nowadays of the PC crowd to call anyone who does not agree with Islam a bigot, but you never hear of a Muslim who disagrees with Christianity being called the same thing! Double standards!

Vickie

 

[dolphinlove]

Yes two bigots from australia how embarassing for a fellow aussie

haha david hume should have stuck to what he knew and as an atheist not to be relied on to be objective about religion
haha u rely on an atheist to support your views of islam and in your next sentence you declare that both are like satan entering your home. You are too ridiculous, you have allowed satan into your mind and your computer, quick get an exorcism.

booklover is from the usa, again, you got things wrong…
i think you better get an education before you start judging people…

 

[LDNCatholic]

Funnily enough Palladio here in the UK we don’t have the same view of Muslims as you do. We’re constantly told by Americans whats happening to our country based on their supreme knowledge gathered from ‘‘jihadwatch’’ and a few out of proportion videos from the media. I can tell you now it isn’t the battlefield its made out to be.

 

[dolphinlove]

its funny you should say that because most fanatical muslims are equally certain as you that only their book is true. Close minds seem to exist in many faiths:shrug:

I must correct you, i have an open mind, i just choose to believe in Jesus rather than anything else. That is why i stand up and say other religions are false, except the one Jesus created. Just because i believe in catholicism does not make my mind closed does it…

 

[saint_damo]

sure you do, click on islamic site and disagree with them and whatever zealot happens to be online will call you a racist before you can say assalam

 

[dolphinlove]

Thanks, Dolphinlove! It’s typical nowadays of the PC crowd to call anyone who does not agree with Islam a bigot, but you never hear of a Muslim who disagrees with Christianity being called the same thing! Double standards!

Vickie

Agree.
We are not afraid to talk about what we believe and what we disbelieve. And we get labeled for it.
Its like we cant have an opinion anymore.

 

[fatma]

The wisdom in seeing Islam as a threat is old; consider these words of genius by a great philosopher, David Hume:

“The admirers and follows of the ALCORAN insist on the excellent moral precepts interspersed throughout that wild and absurd performance. But it is to be supposed, that the ARABIC words, which correspond to the ENGLISH, equity, justice, temperance, meekness, charity, were such as, from the constant use of that tongue, must always be taken in a good sense; and it would have argued the greatest ignorance, not of morals, but of language, to have mentioned them with any epithets, besides those of applause and approbation. But would we know, whether the pretended prophet had really attained a just sentiment of morals? Let us attend to his narration; and we shall soon find, that he bestows praise on such instances of treachery, inhumanity, cruelty, revenge, bigotry, as are utterly incompatible with civilized society. No steady rule of right seems there to be attended to; and every action is blamed or praised, so far only as it is beneficial or hurtful to the true believers.”

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That quote hardly reflects an objective argument. He may have been a genuis in philosophy, that does not make him an authority in other areas.

 

[Palladio]

Funnily enough Palladio here in the UK we don’t have the same view of Muslims as you do. We’re constantly told by Americans whats happening to our country based on their supreme knowledge gathered from ‘‘jihadwatch’’ and a few out of proportion videos from the media. I can tell you now it isn’t the battlefield its made out to be.

LDNCatholic: I suspect neither of us, in fact, can speak for all England, or Great Britain, but I am happy (or, rather, sad) to point to evidence, besides the BBC 4 report, for the problems the mother country faces now and in the future: the media generally covered the latest attempts by Islamic terrorists in London and Glasgow responsibly, and have reported, too, that an MP of Pakistani origin is stepping down because of death threats from Muslim extremists.

Civitas, in London, has a website that might be a good place for anybody feeling he may have his head stuck in the sand, or for Americans who still have, as I do, Anglophilia running in their veins by nature or by nurture.

May God bless you and your countrymen.

 

[Booklover]

I’ll never understand why so-called “Christians” continue to defend a political ideology cum religion that wants to destroy not only our religion and way of life but seeks to convert us by force, kill us, make us second class citizens, rape us, stone us, behead us, and wants to plunge the whole world into the barbaric 7th century!

Vickie

 

[dolphinlove]

I’ll never understand why so-called “Christians” continue to defend a political ideology cum religion that wants to destroy not only our religion and way of life but seeks to convert us by force, kill us, make us second class citizens, rape us, stone us, behead us, and wants to plunge the whole world into the barbaric 7th century!

Vickie

and they also crucify the Christians in Iraq.
God Bless the souls of all persecuted Christians.

 

[LDNCatholic]

LDNCatholic: I suspect neither of us, in fact, can speak for all England, or Great Britain, but I am happy (or, rather, sad) to point to evidence, besides the BBC 4 report, for the problems the mother country faces now and in the future: the media generally covered the latest attempts by Islamic terrorists in London and Glasgow responsibly, and have reported, too, that an MP of Pakistani origin is stepping down because of death threats from Muslim extremists.

Civitas, in London, has a website that might be a good place for anybody feeling he may have his head stuck in the sand, or for Americans who still have, as I do, Anglophilia running in their veins by nature or by nurture.

May God bless you and your countrymen.

I can, however speak for my area, the least homogenous part of the United Kingdom and possibly Europe. We do not have the troubles that are talked about. Yes there are some ‘‘fanatics’’ but they are quickly dealt with. You can choose to trust me or not, but the media blows this out of all proportion. They did it before with the IRA and the Irish, they do it whenever there is news about a Catholic doing something wrong, they do it if any ethnic minority does anything wrong. I am not trying to sound nasty so my apologies if that is how it comes across.

 

[fatma]

booklover is from the usa, again, you got things wrong…
i think you better get an education before you start judging people…

maybe read the thread again and you’ll find another aussie with similar views to u - but hey i thought i made u laugh, don’t get all churlish now :extrahappy:

 

[Palladio]

That quote hardly reflects an objective argument. He may have been a genuis in philosophy, that does not make him an authority in other areas.

He’s not making an argument from authority, and neither am I: he is asking the reader to read the Alcoran (Koran) with a view to seeing how the virtue words he mentions parse against the virtue examples, and then to judge if the Arabic original really and truly corresponds to what the reader already knows the English counterparts mean.

He concludes, as I have, that they don’t at all.

So, if I were in a position to influence anybody reading this post, I would suggest some time )perhaps on line since Korans exist there, too,) doing what Hume did: if you come to the same conclusion as he, you have cause for some serious reflection.

A lot of Catholics–no doubt like a lot of Christians–are beginning to wonder if Muslims do worship ‘the same god,’ as we were all taught in school: more and more, it looks as if the evidence entails, now, just having to take their word on it.

I, for one, am sure we can no longer do that.

God bless you.

 

[Palladio]

I can, however speak for my area, the least homogenous part of the United Kingdom and possibly Europe. We do not have the troubles that are talked about. Yes there are some ‘‘fanatics’’ but they are quickly dealt with. You can choose to trust me or not, but the media blows this out of all proportion. They did it before with the IRA and the Irish, they do it whenever there is news about a Catholic doing something wrong, they do it if any ethnic minority does anything wrong. I am not trying to sound nasty so my apologies if that is how it comes across.

I am willing to believe what you say about the IRA and Catholicism: there is even a myth in the U. K. that there was widespread support and understanding of the IRA by American Catholics.

The threat Islam poses is greater than you allow, I think, and it is one unlike any other the West has faced, unless we want to go back to the Turks etc.

Civitas: one reason I go there is that, unlike the media, it is not driven by time cycles or news, but as a think tank is a careful observer and commentator on what affects civil society in England.

God bless.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I am willing to believe what you say about the IRA and Catholicism: there is even a myth in the U. K. that there was widespread support and understanding of the IRA by American Catholics.

The threat Islam poses is greater than you allow, I think, and it is one unlike any other the West has faced, unless we want to go back to the Turks etc.

Civitas: one reason I go there is that, unlike the media, it is not driven by time cycles or news, but as a think tank is a careful observer and commentator on what affects civil society in England.

God bless.

Thats a myth then? We were even told that Macdonald’s was supplying the IRA Didn’t bother us, we’re Irish, as far as we were concerned we were safe.

 

[Palladio]

Thats a myth then? We were even told that Macdonald’s was supplying the IRA Didn’t bother us, we’re Irish, as far as we were concerned we were safe.

Yes, it’s a bottomless myth, I’ve come to see, with no end in sight.

God bless you.