What Muslims are Taught in their Mosques

[BelFarfalla]

The difference between Eric Roberts and Islamo-terrorists should be obvious. I have said this many time before and will say it again.

Eric Roberts may insist that his acts were according to Christian theology. That is a mistake belief of a mad man. Nowhere in Christian theology does Christ order his followers to kill anyone.

In contrast:

Islamo-terrorists are not only obeying the command of Allah, they are following the teachings and behavior of Muhammad.

That is the difference. Therefore, anyone who claims an equivalence between Eric Roberts and Islamo-terrorists are missing a crucial difference in the respective religions.

Also, this idea that the Islamo-terrorists have ‘hijacked’ the peaceful religion of islam is a myth. They have not hijacked Islam - they are following the command of Allah and the teachings and behavior of Muhammad.

Before anyone jumps up to disagree please read the Quran and the hadiths where Muhammad killed people. Jesus did not.

Muhammad told his followers to kill people. Jesus did not.

There simply is no equivalence.

Shari’ah law backs this up…

The laws for Jihad state clearly that it is violent war for the sole purpose of spreading Islam. It further states that participation in violent jihad is the obligation of all Muslims.

The laws also lay out the mandatory subjugation and mistreatment of non-Muslims. If violence and religious apartheid is not part of Islam, then the very founders and scholars of Islamic theology and jurisprudence have missed the point.

 

[Montalban]

That is only if those acts are truly part of that religion.

Suttee, whilst not widely practiced was an integral part of Hinduism through the belief that the woman’s place was serving her husband in the next stage.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suttee#Prevalence

Although only 1% may have practiced it, it was widespread across India AND NOT CONDEMNED by the Hindu faithful.

There are radical Christians out their that say Christianity gives them the okay to kill abortion doctors and bomb clinics. Those acts are deplorable, but not part of Christian teaching.

And that’s the key. They’re not part of Christian teaching. Suttee was part of Hindu teaching.

Jihad is part of Islamic teaching.

I think we are one the same page, here.

Not qutie

 

[Montalban]

I have asked several times on this board for Muslims posting here to come forth and denounce the terroristic violence of acts such as 9/11. To date, you are the first Muslim to respond that Islam does not condone such acts of violence.

Many western Moslems are ‘tainted’ by our values and hope to modify Islam according to a different morality - and good luck to them. However Islam has always practiced violence as a legitimate form of spreading Islam

 

[StMarkEofE]

Do you not see some of the bombings of abortion clinics as acts of Christian radicals? Ever heard of Eric Rudolph? He insists his acts were God’s will. And no where did I say that acts of terrorism by Christian radicals are anywhere as prevalent as that of Islamic radicals.

My point was simply that IF true Islam teaches peace and not violence, then we need to stand up against those who are twisting that faith to justify those acts just like we have to stand up against people such as Mr. Rudolph who twist Christianity to condone what they are doing.

Of course, if true Islam really does condone such behavior, that’s a whole different story. Given the frequency of the terrorist acts and the relative non-denunciation by most Muslims of the world, I am having my doubts that it truly is a religion of peace.

So, where are the massive “Muslims against terrorism” demonstrations in Washington DC, or San Francisco, or even better Jerusalem, Baghdad, Damascas, Saudi Arabia, Egypt ?

Until I see signs of this then I have to believe that by the silence you are in fact condoning such perdition.

 

[Ilocia]

Islam is a pisful religion.

 

[jessicae]

I have asked several times on this board for Muslims posting here to come forth and denounce the terroristic violence of acts such as 9/11. To date, you are the first Muslim to respond that Islam does not condone such acts of violence.

So, from your perspective, why has there not been more of an outcry by “true” Muslims such as yourself against these terrible acts? I know there has been some demonstrations, but it would seem to me that there would be a lot more given what a bad name these extremists are giving to Islam as a whole.

There are alot of muslims that talk about peace. Muhammed did not spread the religon though killiing. My faverote story of him is when the Jew kept thowing trash on Muhammeds front step. What did Muhammed do he just pushed it away. And the next morning there was more trash and he just pushed it away and it kept going on like this. Then one day he noticed there was no trash. Then the next day he went to see if his neigbor was ok. Buit the neigbor was sick and he asked Muhammed why did you come. Muhammed told him I noticed there was no trash on my step. I wanted to see how you was. Muhammed did not hert the neighbor or fight or do any thing but talk to his neibor. Later on the neighbor converted to Islam.

What about the time when he went up the mtn to preach and the ppl of the mtn stoned him. He did not hert them or retaliate. Just walked away. They all ended up converting.

For those who say “Read the Quran and Hadith”. I’m a davot muslim. Do you think I haven’t done that already and fallow the preachings? Islam is not about hate its about love.

I don’t see why ppl twist around what they hear. On the news and other media.

Did you know that in the milatary terror plot and the JFK plot. That it was Muslims that was a insider and told the Police what was going on.

In the VT shootings. There was 2 muslims that died saving ppl. One a teacher one a student saving the kid next to him. They was saving ppl that are NOT muslim.

Muslims belive in the 3 un doctored books. The 1st Bible the 1st Torra and the 1st Quran.

If you read the Quran it has the most same storys as the bible. I know this beacuse I am a convert to Islam. I was a christian. And I went to church but I had unaswered questions that could never be answered. But in Islam they have been aswered a million times.

Did you know that the origanol Bible and Torra says women should be covered. Hince why when you see pictures of the mother Mary and other great women they are covered

 

[jessicae]

P.S. The Tulsa Mosque has invited media and outsiders into the mosque to break the Myths about Islam. We have had peace rallies only to have Americans flip us off and curse at us. Call us names and many many more things. It hurts. I suggest ppl to come to the Tulsa OK mosque get a tour. And then speak about us. We only wish peace on everyone

My husband is a devout Muslim who is very mad at Ben Laden and his likes for making his faith looks horrible. When My husband would like to join the coast guard to fight terrorism. Also the American media doesn’t not show the Muslim people who don’t condone the bad things. The JFK terror plot was unfold by a Muslim informant. Also it is important to know that most Muslims here are immigrant who is trying to keep a better life and with them being the enemy in the eyes of the public they very much prefer to keep a low profile so they can get by and feed their families

Most Immigrants don’t really tell ppl they are Muslim. Because of the simple fact of the hate of Muslims. My husbands name is Mohamed. And he don’t use that name unless he HAS to. He uses Moe. I can’t cover because of the hates for Muslims.(It is not completely mandatory. Just dress modest which I do.) My friend is a covered convert. And on one occasion she was riding with us. And a white American tried to run us off the rode. On another time she was with us. We was stopped at a red light and some boys and men started screaming hateful things at us. It is horrible. But, we didn’t fight back. We did the right thing and kept our calm and ignored them.

 

[jessicae]

thought i would share this clip with every one
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[Maui71]

I could not help myself but post.

Please inform me what happens to a Saudi if he converts to Christianity from Islam? What does sharia law state is the punishment?

Please tell me how many new churches, synagogues or Hindu Temples are allowed to be opened in the following countries:

Saudi Arabia,
Iran
Jordan
Egypt
Qatar

What does sharia law state is the punishment for trying to convert a Muslim from Islam to another religion?

Please explain to the readers what a head tax means after a Muslim force conquers a new land.

Please explain to the readers what Mohamed did when he was rejected in his hometown? How did he come back? Please explain what Suliman the Great did?

Please explain how in the U.S.and most of the west, Muslims are given the right to open NEW mosques but in the Islamic east there is no Islamic country that will allow a NEW church to be built or a convert to be converted. Were then is peace?

We are taught to love thy enemy. If a thief wants your shirt give him your cloak too. If you are struck offer the other cheek.

The cheek is struck every day and yet the secular west still gives Muslims a voice, the freedom of worship, the freedom of conversion, while in the Islamic bastions, Christians are slaughtered (look at Iraq, Jordan and Egypt) or imprisoned at best they are treated as second class citizens.

I do not hate Muslims; one of my good friends is Muslim. But I do ask you to please clarify the above for me, especially how my church is not allowed to go to your counties and open a church and convert Muslims. They are free to do this in western countries were is the equality?

God Bless

 

[jessicae]

I do not mean this in hate it is only to educate.

In the prophet time Muslims have converted to Christianity and were let go as the Quran says (there is no forcing in choosing the religion, the right is clear and the wrong is too).
It is very important for you to read and explore the countries you talk about because apparently you only watch them on Muslim hate TV shows and listen to Muslim hate talk only. I doubt you have a Muslim friend , my husband is from Egypt his best friend is Christian there are 2 churches in his neighborhood and 2 mosques although there 3 times Muslims in that neighborhood than there are Christians .
I can challenge you to visit Egypt and you will see Muslims contractors building churches along side with Christians my husband told me that when they were an English colony Muslims and Christians fought for freedom of Egypt together and they certainly are one people so nor your talk or all the hate talk in the world will break the Egyptian unity please don’t talk about something you have only seen on TV when I am married to a native from there when you go there and come back with that we can discuss it then and don’t tell me about your sources because they are so wrong not a simple fact you have provided is reliable.
I would also like to say that loving your enemy is all a bunch of nonsense and I don’t think you believe in it I would like to see how are you going to love someone who would rape your kid and kill your husband or family only when that happen come and talk to me about it , instead there is just justice, that doesn’t mean we go on suicide bombing rampage but justice has to be served for example in Islam a thieve should have his hand cut off, only if he stole out of greed not need so if he was in hunger or need he is forgiven also if he broke into the house of the victim then that hand cut is applied but if a victim leaves his money unprotected like out of a safe or on the bus stop for example and someone grabs it that is not requiring hand cut so the hand cut off punishment is meant to scare the person from stealing which works, prison here certainly does not rehabilitate people but I don’t see as much crime in Saudi Arabia so before you discuss Shari law go learn it first .
The problem is the Muslim countries live in poverty and middle ages much like the Christian countries in the 1500s when they used to burn witches and kill the sick instead of treating them , we need the educated Muslims to educate and help but how can they help when their countries are poor because they are ruled by decorator who use religion to control the public , rulers installed by the American government the west is not innocent of blood shall I remind you of what the whites did to the Indians or just recently in South Africa or shall I remind of the sexual abuse of the church or many many more Jesus did not teach that in the bible instead of judging the religion spread the love you are trying to preach which I don’t think you are doing at all .
And by the way your church is not allowed to go to our countries or in this case my husband and his fellow Arabs and Muslim countries (I quote him) simply because the people there most of them doesn’t care about converting they only seek to convert to win some kind of relocation to the west to make money also as he have seen people do and come back home with some money they made over seas and he had met a friend who told him he converted to get asylum but he didn’t in heart also the Muslim country fear for the safety of the little people if you know what I mean. :newidea: :twocents:

 

[jessicae]

When Muhammed(PBUH) went back to his hometown he told them “You can go you are free.” This is history documented not 700 club documented.:yup:

 

[exoflare]

Sahih Bukhari 9:83:17

Allah’s Apostle said, The blood of a Muslim, who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.

 

[exoflare]

Bukhari 4:52:260

Narrated 'Ikrima: 'Ali burnt some people and this news reached ibn 'Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as [Muhammad] said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for [Muhammad] said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’”

 

[RLT]

Jesicae, nice stories and all but there’s a word for the gentle and kind way Christians and Jews are treated by Islam, Dhimmitude.
No thanks.

 

[Hellisreal]

As Jesus washed their feet, he taught us how to serve others

We must not focus on the errors of the Muslims,

We need to be better Christians.

The rest will follow.

We are like Sarah now, “helping God out” by not trusting HIM.

TRUST HIM, by Loving others. No matter how hard it may be.

 

[Montalban]

I do not mean this in hate it is only to educate.

The problem with your example with Egypt are manifold.

The Copts were exempted from general perseuction (as was the Monastary at Mt Sinai) by their prophet, himself.

Your example would be equivelent to me arguing that the Jews weren’t persecuted during WWII because up until 1945 the population of Jews particular to Hungary escaped perseuction.

Thus the example of a singular exemption would not make the general rule

I don’t know if you meant to deceive people with that bad example, or maybe you’re just not aware of the history of Chrisitanity in that nation.

Because of this special protection the Moslems were able to use the Copts against the Roman Empire - because they didn’t get on with the Orthodox east.

Egypt, further, is not a “Moslem state” in the sense that it was forced to modify it’s laws as long ago as the late 1800s when it was effectively ruled by Great Britain.

The example of Sauid Arabia is pertienent because it is an Islamic state. Conversion is not allowed. Even wearing a cross around one’s neck is forbidden.

 

[Montalban]

There are alot of muslims that talk about peace. Muhammed did not spread the religon though killiing. My faverote story of him is when the Jew kept thowing trash on Muhammeds front step. What did Muhammed do he just pushed it away. And the next morning there was more trash and he just pushed it away and it kept going on like this. Then one day he noticed there was no trash. Then the next day he went to see if his neigbor was ok. Buit the neigbor was sick and he asked Muhammed why did you come. Muhammed told him I noticed there was no trash on my step. I wanted to see how you was. Muhammed did not hert the neighbor or fight or do any thing but talk to his neibor. Later on the neighbor converted to Islam.

Muhammed became more bellicose as his career progressed. When he began, and he was not in power he preached love and understanding. It is from this period that Moslem apologists such as yourself love to quote from.

However this was not the ‘final’ message he left to his followers.

Jihad was.

Here’s an example from the Hadith of Muhammad allowing a lie… where Muhammad allowed a man to use a falsity in order to kill someone…

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Kab said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.” (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, “Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me.” Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, “What do you want?” Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you.” Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab’s foster brother, Abu Na’ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Kab replied, “None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na’ila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka’b said. “They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.” Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head.” Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka’b replied. “I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf.”
usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.369

 

[Maui71]

Jessicae,

**You did not answer a single question **but you attacked me personally by calling me a liar and attacked this forums faith. “I doubt you have Muslim friends… I would also like to say that loving your enemy is all a bunch of nonsense and I don’t think you believe in it”

It is pretentious and rude to tell me what I do and do not believe or whom I have for friends. You have no idea what Crosses I have had to bear or what humiliation I have endured or what shame has been forced on me nor will I indulge you to know. I will how ever tell you I have forgiven each and every offense. I forgive your attack on me and my beliefs.

I understand it is easier to hate than love, when you hate you can not be hurt or that is the lie of hate. You can not understand how I love my enemy because you do not understand Christianity and the Christian martyr or Christ himself. A Christian martyr goes to his death without fighting and forgives his killers as he is dieing. There is a lot of historical evidence to this fact. For example to two Nuns murdered in Somalia after the picture of the profit was printed the older nun looked at her killer and forgave him according to Muslim witnesses as she lay dieing. That my dear is LOVE and FORGIVENESS. This is taught by our Lord Jesus Christ. Christ the Son of God gave his life for us without fighting and forgiving his killers before he died.

I would like to correct you in that I asked you about NEW CHURHCES the Coptic Church had been in Egypt before any muslim entered Egypt. I would like to know where in Egypt a new church is being built. You cannot build a new church in any of the countries I mentioned it is the LAW there. You still did not answer me what the current law in those countries are about a Muslim converting to Christianity or any other religion not what the koran states but what the State has in place as punishment.

As far has helping my muslim brothers I belong to an organization that has hospitals in Sudan and provides medical help in Jordan has had members killed in Afghanistan helping orphans and brings new born Muslims into the world in Bethlehem.

I lead through respect and example.

 

[tomarin]

I could not help myself but post.

Please inform me what happens to a Saudi if he converts to Christianity from Islam? What does sharia law state is the punishment?

Please tell me how many new churches, synagogues or Hindu Temples are allowed to be opened in the following countries:

Saudi Arabia,
Iran
Jordan
Egypt
Qatar

What does sharia law state is the punishment for trying to convert a Muslim from Islam to another religion?

you’ve convinced me. the problem is, what are we to do as christians? most of the posters here seem perfectly comfortable using violent words against a religion that is practiced by 1/5 of the world’s population, the second largest after christianity and one of the fastest growing. very few here accord islam or its followers any respect for all the depressing reasons cited above. (a few hold out that there may be a “true” islam that is worthy of respect, but they are waiting for a sign of its existence that is unlikely to happen, like protests against islamic radicalism in the capitals of pakistan, egypt, etc.)

after reading the posts here (justified as they may be) and the posts in the war on terror threads that seek to justify and even sanctify war, i wonder if christianity is a peaceful religion. i don’t doubt its founder was. but it’s almost as if nothing has changed in the 2000 years since he came and was crucified here – his message seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

maybe the problem is religion itself.

 

[tomarin]

or put another way, if you’re right and islam is the enemy and we should give them no quarter, don’t we cease to be christians? is bellicose christianity really christianity? or does it refute christ’s divinely inspired message of love and forgiveness as effectively as denying the virgin birth?