What my mother didn't tell me about the priesthood and male religious life

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The more I read about vocations in this sub-forum, the more questions I have about the laity and religious life for men. I thought it would be a good topic for discussion. Most lay people know that there are priests who belong to religious orders. However, not all religious are priests and not all priests are religious. But here are some interesting questions. I invite you to think about them. They may help you change your point of view or reinforce what you know and share it with each other. Most importantly, the answers to these questions are based more on what we know about male religious life, not what we believe it should be. We can’t change what it is. We’re trying to get people to share what they know about religious life for men vs. the priesthood, not to persuade anyone that this is better than that or that this should be changed. This can be fun and interesting if we do not fight about it.
  1. What do lay people think is the difference between being a priest and being a male religious?
  2. What are the practical implications between having a parish run by religious or run by secular priests?
  3. In what way does the laity show appreciation for the religious life of men?
  4. How welcoming are the laity in the average parish to a team of religious men, even if they are not priests? Does the laity make proper use of their talents, ministries, spirituality and knowledge?
  5. Is the laity willing to sacrifice not having a priest for more than a few hours a day so that he can be free to be with his religious community where he belongs or do most lay people consider their pastoral needs to be a priority over the vowed life of religious men who serve in parishes?
  6. What do lay people understand when they hear “the vowed life” vs. “the priesthood”?
  7. Do lay people prefer to have diocesan priests instead of religious men in their parishes?
  8. How do lay people respond when their parish is taken over by a community of religious where the superior is a lay brother and the pastor is subordinate to the lay brother? In essence he’s a parochial administrator, not a pastor, since a pastor cannot be subordinate to a lay man, but in this case he is, because these are the wishes of his superiors.
  9. Are we ready to see more parishes surrendered back to the bishops, by religious, so that they can move out to serve the poor, sick, immigrant according to the mind of their founders?
  10. How seriously does the laity take the vision of religious founders?
Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I am all ears too,

Dear Br, Jr.

I do not know much but in following you around I have been picking up some info on the differences.

The one thing I hear tossed around every once in a while and would like to have a deeper understanding of is how we are all called to the priesthood or something like that.(I pray I got the wording correct. I do not want to sound sacrilegious by demeaning the role of priests in saying this.) Could you and would you please explain this for me.
 
well. i am a convert, so my experience may not be typical

but i am also a PK (Preachers Kid) as were two of the other people in my RCIA class. so i have a point of view on religious orders that is outside the Catholic Church also.

first of all… when the priest visiting our RCIA class spoke of the future possibilities of married priests (and hinted at women priests) it was the three of us PKs who went
NO!
he was rather startled.

my statement was that while obviously my father did his best as a minister… i knew first hand the trials of having to be on call 24/7 as any priest is.
i knew how much pressure there was on his family to be “good examples” and that rightly, or wrongly, if i had problems it reflected on him as a church leader.
that is a great burden on a family.
it is asking a great deal of a priest.
its not impossible, but it is a burden.

and all three of us felt that EVEN if women priests were permitted, it would be even more difficult for their families… and we also gently tried to point out that we came from faiths that permitted women ministers, and were converting to Catholicism…

Now you would think that in RCIA we would be told about religious life. a little… but it was mostly a “i am sister ____ this is father ______” and on with class.
pretty much everything i know about religious vocations was from my own reading.
or my back ground in the Episcopalian church.

so i expect a lot fo the laity dont really know anything about religious vocations except for whatever is in front of them at their parish

we had a priest come to the parish near the college and speak about the need for priests… but i have not heard anyone ever speak about any other religious life.

i know Deacon ____ in our RCIA class is a deacon, but they never explained what that meant.
 
I live in an Order Parish that has a community of three priests, including their Prior, and the response to our priests is of welcome. Their spirituality embraces us, and we think of ourselves as a Carmelite parish, not just a parish that happens to have Carmelite Priests/Brothers. The fact that the previous Prior was a Brother had no impact on us other than that he was unable to say Mass. His cheerful and generous presence, and his visitation to the sick and dying, made Brother a very loved person, welcomed everywhere, no less than our priests.

As far as we were concerned, when Brother was Prior this fact had no impact whatsoever in the parish. This was in-house business. The Carmelites have as much right to live community life as any of us laity have to live in the community of our own families.

That one of the priests was Parish Priest gave him certain responsibilities which he handled as he should, and whatever occurs within the Carmelite community in the monastery attached to our parish is a matter for the Carmelites spiritual organization and development. They are good men, and anyone who has been in the parish for some of the many years the parish has been “in the care of the Carmelites” , speak with much gratitude for the humanity and deep spirituality of the many Carmelites who have lived and worked here.

We don’t tend to impose expectations on what they should or shouldn’t do, as they live a superb witness of Christian love. It wouldn’t occur to us to speculate as to whether or not they change their focus, knowing they are authentic, we are aware that they will work together with the Holy Spirit to choose what they are to do or to continue.
They are a family, with a spirit and a spirituality that we trust. They have a right to the private aspects of their community, just as any family does.

I have also lived in a Dominican, an Augustinian, and a Capuchin parish, and in each case their spirituality embraced parish consciousness. I’m delighted to have Order parishes even simply to know that our priests live in community, instead of living in the isolation that some diocesan priests surely experience in their lone evenings.

We fully embrace aspects of their ministry that include practical fundraising and practical support to East Timor. The Carmelites accepted East Timor, Zumalie, into the Australian province and it naturally follows that the Carmelite parishioners in Australia offer ongoing support to rebuild the country. Aside from money raised through social events and stalls and other initiatives in the Carmelite parishes in Australia, the Primary school associated with my parish this year raised over $13, 000 …because what the Order embraces and serves, so does our parish. There is not a sense of exclusivity on the part of the priests. They seem happy to share their spirituality with us.

Regarding East Timor, we are kept informed on the progress enabled by our support of this country which had lost even it’s basic infrastructures. And we also receive a regular update on our Carmelites in bulletin form, Priests and Brother, and we don’t actually think ‘vowed life’ versus 'Priesthood. They’re all Carmelites. They’ve committed their lives to God and to care of others. They’re loved, their kindness, good humour, good sense, the inspiration that they are to us, all appreciated. Not just my response, but I’ve heard the same said in one way or other innumerable times from other parishioners.

Warm regards, Trishie
 
I am all ears too,

Dear Br, Jr.

I do not know much but in following you around I have been picking up some info on the differences.

The one thing I hear tossed around every once in a while and would like to have a deeper understanding of is how we are all called to the priesthood or something like that.(I pray I got the wording correct. I do not want to sound sacrilegious by demeaning the role of priests in saying this.) Could you and would you please explain this for me.
All of God’s people are called to be part of a priestly people. We are the people whom God has called to offer the ultimate scrifice, the body and blood of the Son. Thus we often say that we are called to the priesthood, meaning to be part of a priestly people.

Like any community, you need someone to precide the sacrificial liturgy or celebration. God calls men, from among his priestly people, to share in the priesthood of Jesus Christ. These are the men whom we call priests. What is different from Catholicism and any other faith, is that God calls men not only to offer the sacrifice in the name of the people, but he actually shares is power with the priest, so that the priest not only offers the sacrfice of Christ’s body and blood, but he stands in Christ’s shoes. By God making this possible, for the priest to stand in Christ’s shoes, then we have a priestly people (all of us) and the high priest himself (Christ) offering the perfect sacrifice (the body and blood of the Son).

The priest is part of the priestly people. But he has been called to stand in the shoes of the High Priest to offer the sacrifice that the people offer, the body and blood of the Son.

I hope this helps.

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I live in an Order Parish that has a community of three priests, including their Prior, and the response to our priests is of welcome. Their spirituality embraces us, and we think of ourselves as a Carmelite parish, not just a parish that happens to have Carmelite Priests/Brothers. The fact that the previous Prior was a Brother had no impact on us other than that he was unable to say Mass. His cheerful and generous presence, and his visitation to the sick and dying, made Brother a very loved person, welcomed everywhere, no less than our priests.
Warm regards, Trishie
This sounds like a parish where they have integrated both priesthood and religious life to the point that the laity seem to be embracing the Carmelite charism. That’s awesome. That’s a point that people often miss. One reason that religious often agree to staff parishes is to spread their charism. Of course we want to help the bishop. But we have a primary obligation to our family, as everyone does. Our obligation is to promote or charism and share our spiritual gifts. The idea is that the presence of a religious community in a parish, school, etc, should awaken in the faithful the same love and vision of the Gospel and create a spiritual family.

You also mentioned that you had a brother as a prior. I understand that the Carmelites to make the distinction between priests and brothers. Other orders do not. For the sake of our readers, it’s important to know that this distinction between priest and brother is not common to every religious order. In some religious orders this is forbidden, everyone is brother, friar or Dom. The Carmelites are a clerical order. But they are very much brothers to each other. This is the gift that they bring to their parishes and other ministries. No other group can bring the Carmelite spirit to a community. That’s their very special gift and a beautiful one too.

I noticed that you said that one of the brothers was the Prior and one of the priests the pastor. This is an important detail. When you have a religious community running a parish, you can have an ordained religious run the parish and a non-clerical religious run the community. It may look as if they are not related. The fact is that they are. The pastor runs the parish, but he is a member of the community. Therefore, he must live the life of the community. The role of the Prior or any superior is to ensure the spiritual well-being of his son, in this case the pastor. If the parish starts to suck in the pastor so much that he begins to fail at his religious duties, the superior has the authority to pull back the reigns or even require a transfer. Each order does this differently. The lay orders, such as the Franciscans, Capuchins, Conventuals, Marianists and some Benedictines, do not name a non-clerical member a superior and an ordained member a pastor. What we do is the non-clerical member is the superior and the ordained member is the parish adminsitrator. This way, he does not have pastoral authority over the parish. He can be transferred at any point that the superior wishes, without having to consult with the bishop. There are different models, but the goal is always the same, to protect the religious man. If we let these men get so absorbed into parish life, they end up becoming diocesan priests.

I hope this serves as interesting information for those who did not know it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
All of God’s people are called to be part of a priestly people. We are the people whom God has called to offer the ultimate sacrifice, the body and blood of the Son. Thus we often say that we are called to the priesthood, meaning to be part of a priestly people.

Like any community, you need someone to precide the sacrificial liturgy or celebration. God calls men, from among his priestly people, to share in the priesthood of Jesus Christ. These are the men whom we call priests. What is different from Catholicism and any other faith, is that God calls men not only to offer the sacrifice in the name of the people, but he actually shares is power with the priest, so that the priest not only offers the sacrfice of Christ’s body and blood, but he stands in Christ’s shoes. By God making this possible, for the priest to stand in Christ’s shoes, then we have a priestly people (all of us) and the high priest himself (Christ) offering the perfect sacrifice (the body and blood of the Son).

The priest is part of the priestly people. But he has been called to stand in the shoes of the High Priest to offer the sacrifice that the people offer, the body and blood of the Son.

I hope this helps.

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Thank you Br Jr, I believe being a part of a priestly people helps.

Do you mind if I ask a few more questions?
I pray they make sense.

So in reality, from what you said, are we reliving the whole crucification over again?
If this is correct does it make the sacrifice of Jesus Christ perpetual? (not sure how this may relate just a thought for contemplation).
I believe I understand the priest’s role but what is our role? How do we (those of us who are not priests) assist the priest in this offering of the Ultimate Sacrifice?
Do we leave it all up to the priest to make this sacrifice for us or do we need to take some kind of an active role in our daily lives?
Or maybe the question is, what does being a member of the comunity of the priestly people entail?

I apologize to have so many questions but I never really took the time to fully understand this. If you need me to clarify please let me know.
 
I noticed that you said that one of the brothers was the Prior and one of the priests the pastor. This is an important detail. When you have a religious community running a parish, you can have an ordained religious run the parish and a non-clerical religious run the community. It may look as if they are not related. The fact is that they are. The pastor runs the parish, but he is a member of the community. Therefore, he must live the life of the community. The role of the Prior or any superior is to ensure the spiritual well-being of his son, in this case the pastor. If the parish starts to suck in the pastor so much that he begins to fail at his religious duties, the superior has the authority to pull back the reigns or even require a transfer.
Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I did not mean to convey they are not related or that a conflict of interest occurs. I had tried to convey the wholeness and harmony. The priests have never fallen into this trap and each of the community contributes to the community and to the parish, including the Prior. I could feel a little offended for our Carmelites! 🙂 The Prior in each case has been a true father to the Carmelite community and to the parish, and our priests never forget they are part of a loving Carmelite community. In Australia we have that kind of unity and brotherhood that is very much part of our Australian psyche. And in any case the Carmelite Order is a truly authentic brotherhood. I have never seen one fail in his community or parish role, and of course there is rotation. Father and Brother in this case have impact upon the parish community only in that Brother can’t say Mass or hear Confessions. Knowing who is ordained and who is not helps to avoid confusion and is in no way a divisive or heirarchical issue. All the Carmelites work together in harmony, supporting each other and sharing their charism of prayer, of deep compassionate humanity, and profound spirituality. Their basic charism is love, and this has a profound influence upon all of us. This has been true regardless of whoever is part of the Carmelite community at any time over the years, whatever personalities each has possessed, as even the oldest members of our parish affirm at different times.

God bless you. Keeping you in prayer. Regarding founder of religious Orders, I’m related to one, Blessed May MacKillop…and for all who, like you, respond to God’s call to serve the Lord’s little ones in a particular charism, I praise and thank God and ask His abundant blessings!
 
I did not mean to convey they are not related or that a conflict of interest occurs. I had tried to convey the wholeness and harmony. The priests have never fallen into this trap and each of the community contributes to the community and to the parish, including the Prior. I could feel a little offended for our Carmelites! 🙂 The Prior in each case has been a true father to the Carmelite community and to the parish, and our priests never forget they are part of a loving Carmelite community. In Australia we have that kind of unity and brotherhood that is very much part of our Australian psyche. And in any case the Carmelite Order is a truly authentic brotherhood. I have never seen one fail in his community or parish role, and of course there is rotation. Father and Brother in this case have impact upon the parish community only in that Brother can’t say Mass or hear Confessions. Knowing who is ordained and who is not helps to avoid confusion and is in no way a divisive or heirarchical issue. All the Carmelites work together in harmony, supporting each other and sharing their charism of prayer, of deep compassionate humanity, and profound spirituality. Their basic charism is love, and this has a profound influence upon all of us. This has been true regardless of whoever is part of the Carmelite community at any time over the years, whatever personalities each has possessed, as even the oldest members of our parish affirm at different times.

God bless you. Keeping you in prayer. Regarding founder of religious Orders, I’m related to one, Blessed May MacKillop…and for all who, like you, respond to God’s call to serve the Lord’s little ones in a particular charism, I praise and thank God and ask His abundant blessings!
No no no, my statement was not made to imply anything on what you said. I was trying to use it as a teaching moment for my own American brothers and sisters. We have more of a problem with that in the USA. Many American religious men complain that their parishioners don’t have that understanding of the relationships within the community and that they don’t want to learn about them.

I think it’s part of our American psyche, “It’s none of my business until it hits my pocketbook.” It’s so sad, because there is so much that religious can offer a parish or any other institution. Of of our most famous and spiritual institutions in this country is Franciscan University. But what makes them so powerful is that the friars impose their Franciscan charism on their students. There is no option there. If you’re not comfortable with the Franciscan charism, you don’t belong at the university. They find you a school where you will find a spiritual life that is good for you. Fortunately, I have heard of very few cases where this was the case. Most students at Franciscan University, love the place. The Jesuit schools also seem to have a great relationship with their students and those students seem to really embrace Jesuit spirituality and mission.

But this is not the usual case in American parishes. I could be wrong. If I am, someone please correct me. But my experience has been that in too many American parishes the religious men don’t want to be there. They feel that they are only wanted to celebrate sacraments. There was one Trinitarian parish of which I know where the friars had to leave. The friars would not support the deportation of illegal immigrants, because the rule of St. John De Matha demands that the friars convert anyone who has committed a crime. But they may never hand them over to the state. This almost brought down the house. It was sad, because the Trinitarians are a wonderful group of friars, very generous, prayerful, disciplined and orthodox. Sometimes, we have to accept the religious founders on their terms to reap the spiritual benefits that their sons bring with them.

Again, I was not trying to say anything against your Carmelites. I was using it as a teaching moment. I love the Carmelites. I did my doctoral discertation on Francis’ of Assisi’s Lady Poverty and Teresa of Avila’s Detachment. I developed a great respect and love for the Carmelite family.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Thanks for explaining Brother! I did find the Capuchin Franciscan parish much the same, in that, by osmosis and fraternity, amongst themselves and with us, the sense of brotherhood and sharing of spirituality was also very much part our our lives. When the Order chose to call priest and brother by the designation “Brother” they explained, and we understood, realizing how important it was to them, but it was still helpful to know who was ordained, who wasn’t, for the purposes of the Sacraments. Noone changed how we addressed them, but we undestood that as little friars of St Francis they must see themselves wholly as brothers. They were anyway, but they were clarifying, I guess.

I wonder how deeply the Australian ‘mateship’, a prized Australian characteristic inherited with our sense of ourselves, does actually influence us more than we Australians realize, even in our spiritual lives? I wonder how much a national psyche affects its spirituality?

I have gained the impression, including when spending time in the United States, that our relationship with our priests and religious appears to be closer and more relaxed, by which I don’t mean less respectful and less mindful of the sacredness of their vocation. “We’re all in this together!” And we are, all parts of the Mystical Body of Christ working together. Thank God for the brain, for the eyes, the hands, all of which wouldn’t be much use without all the other parts working together! I don’t mean to sound glib, but am seriously thinking of how things work here, but also in the Augustinian and the Dominican parishes. I’m 63 so have had plenty of leisure to observe, and I think that our Australian sense of humour, that inhabits every priest and religious I’ve known, Diocesan or Order, and ourselves as Australian people, helps to keep our communities healthy. Humanity and human wholeness seems to work towards wholesome holiness I think.
 
Thanks for explaining Brother! I did find the Capuchin Franciscan parish much the same, in that, by osmosis and fraternity, amongst themselves and with us, the sense of brotherhood and sharing of spirituality was also very much part our our lives. When the Order chose to call priest and brother by the designation “Brother” they explained, and we understood, realizing how important it was to them, but it was still helpful to know who was ordained, who wasn’t, for the purposes of the Sacraments. I wonder how deeply the Australian ‘mateship’, a prized Australian characteristic inherited with our sense of ourselves, does actually influence us more than we Australians realize, even in our spiritual lives? I wonder how much a national psyche affects its spirituality?

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Your first paragraph points to two things that all of us would benefit from.

First:

You mentioned how the Franciscans changed back to Brother, from Father and Brother. We have been trying to comply with that order in the USA since the 1990s, when it was first given to us by the Holy Father. We, Franciscans, even got a blast from Pope Benedict for still calling our ordained men, “Father.” The only way that we have been able to get around it in the USA is through the younger friars. When they are ordained, we do not change their title. To try to change the title of the older friars from Father to Brother has been a problem. They have gotten used to being called Father, because they have been serving in positions that were typically positions of diocesan priests. The people called the diocesans Father, when the Franciscans arrived, they called them Father. It’s almost cruel now to insist that these friars go back to Brother.

What we want people to understand is that if you belong to a parish run by Franciscans, attend a school run by Franciscans, or are in any situation where Franciscans are present, you need to know that Franciscans do not use the titles “Father” and “Brother” to tell apart those who are ordained and those who are not. Franciscans have always been “Brother.” It was the mind of Francis that the men who followed him formed a brotherhood. They were theologians, priests, carpenters, farmers, lawyers, princess, etc, but when they put on that habit, they were brothers to each other and to the Church. It was Francis’ theology that every Franciscan stood in Christ’s place as the first-born of many brothers. That’s why the term brother is so important to Franciscans. If you take it away, you take away our reason for existing, to be Christ among many brothers and sisters.

Another important point that you make is that the culture does affect the pyche. Americans do not have the warm, fraternal relationships between clergy, religious and laity. We have become a more cautious society. I don’t want to say distant, because that does not quite describe it. I think that we have become “gun-shy” in this country. We tend to keep our distance to avoid being hurt. Everyone gets hurt. But I believe that Americans are very hyper-vigilant. It’s sad, because we are a good people. When you get to know Americans, you find normal loving and generous people. But our distance has something to do with hyper-vigilance.

When we first came to this diocese our superior changed all of our titles. We all became Brother. We were told, don’t tell unless it’s necessary, such as a person who asks if you can hear their confession. At first, some people thought that we were hiding something from them. They would ask us, are your a priest or a brother and we would respond, “We’re all brothers. Do you need an ordained brother?” Some of the older people though that we were doing double talk. The younger generation go it. Now they walk in and ask for a priest when they want one. But the older group was always hyper-vigilant, as if we were pulling a fast one on them. I believe it’s our psyche.

The same thing happens with vocations. In the USA we seem to have mindset that vocations to the religious life (men) without vocation to the priesthood is lacking something. There is that American pragmatici culture showing itself again. You have to be able to DO SOMETHING, not just be someone. In many societies, religious men are appreciated and loved for who why are, Consecrated Men.

The Holy Father, John Paul II wrote a wonderful statement on religious life that we have failed to make public in the USA. I don’t know if they have read it in other countries. Right now my own community is teaching it in religious education to our middle and high school students. But most people never heard of it. So they missed the Church’s deep appreciation for religious life of men.

**By their vows, religious assume the observance of the three evangelical counsels; they are consecrated to God through the ministry of the Church (can. 607, 654), **

The idea of being consecrated to God is not very clear in the minds of many people. People are often confused between being consecrated and doing. They are not the same. Doing is external. It is important, but does not make one a religious. There is the big difference between being a diocesan priest and a religious man.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
God grant that your explanations and teaching will touch hearts and minds of those who are called to Religious Life, but who have not yet understood and considered. I pray also that they will heighten lay understanding and appreciation of Religious and Religious life, so that perhaps there needs to be less of a super-vigilance that at times, and in some ways, causes loss to both Religious and Laity

As an aside, Brother, though I spoke of the vitrues, I guess, of my own culture, I acknowledge the real and deep generosity of Americans. During my time in the United States, where my son and his American wife lived for some years, I was often touched by it. I also saw the American spirit at its most vulnerable yet most noble in my 2001 vacation, following September 11. I’m daily reminded of the goodness and lovingness of Americans in this forum. I daily pray for my American sister and brothers. And I do love them.

I thank God that you give much effort to gentle teaching on this worldwide Forum. I’m sure God will bless others though your threads, and I already know of those who greatly value them. I realise that you do this not for personal reasons, but in response to the Holy Spirit’s promptings.

God bless you. Pax et bomun
 
God grant that your explanations and teaching will touch hearts and minds of those who are called to Religious Life, but who have not yet understood and considered. I pray also that they will heighten lay understanding and appreciation of Religious and Religious life, so that perhaps there needs to be less of a super-vigilance that at times, and in some ways, causes loss to both Religious and Laity

God bless you. Pax et bomun
I hope and pray for the same. I have a very special concern about religious life for men. I realize that we need priests and sisters. I do not understimate their value and place in the Church for a moment. But the consecrated religioius brother is often forgotten.

I watched an interview with Bishop Dolan of New York. I was moved by his statement. He referred to religious brothers as the “forgotten vocation.” He made some very interesting points. He mentioned that the average American Catholic priest, sister and lay person sees the religious brother functionally. “If he can’t do anything that the laity can do, what good is he?” Why should a beloved member of my family be a male religiuos? Of course, he disagreed with the kind of logic and he said that he makes it a point to mention the male religious every time he greets the congregation.

But he is right. People don’t look at the value of a man’s life consecrated to God, lived in the mystery of God’s silence, surrendered on the cross with Christ, played out in a community that foreshadows life in the Kingdom of God and in service to God’s people. The Archbishop made a point that we tend to think “pragmatically”. A priest provides what no one else can provide, the sacraments. A woman can’t be a priest, so she remains single, marries or becomes a sister. But a religious brother cares for the poor, teaches, nurses, prays, does penance, and engages in other forms of the apostolate. The tendency of Catholics is to think that this is something that can be done by anyone. There is no need to enter a religious congregation or religious order for this purpose. The key word here is purpose. We want our people to have a purpose and we define purpose by what we can measure or what provides something for us, rather than a life of love, adoration and intimacy with God and his Church. We often forget that man’s purpose is to know, love, serve God here and be happy with him in eternity and for some men, that eternity begins in a religious community.

As the Archbishop was saying, even priests and sisters who deal with the public rarely think of male religious life when directing a man. In some cases, there is a total lack of understanding of what men like St. Francis of Assisi, St. Conrad, Br. Andrew, St. Martin de Porres, St. Benedict the Black, St. John of God, St. Paschal, St. Gerard and many other religious men gave to the Church and much less understanding of what God gave them through a consecrated life.

How many males read these vocation threads and even inquire about the religious life or how many women who read these threads direct the men in their lives to inquire and pray over this option? We have to begin to do this. We can’t ask God to do all the work. Afterll, Jesus did ask the Apostles to remain awake while he prayed and he was not very pleased when he found them asleep on the job.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Dear Br. Jr,

I apologize most sincerely for my line of questions in my last post.
I realized later that they were taking the thread on a different dirrection than what you intended.
After reading the following posts between you and Trishie and the part about being “gun-shy” really hit home with me. So I did something I should do more often. I took the question to one of the priests at our church. I still would someday like to here your thoughts on it. Maybe a new thread?

Anyway please be assured if I find any young men I will most assuredly send them your way. I would send mine to you but they are a bit young yet and at an age that they do not know what they want from hour to hour verses a whole liftime.

On a side note I have a brother who could really use someone to be a spiritual guide for himself. He lives in Cleveland, Ohio. He has a very generous and big heart he is just a little lost right now and could use a good friend that he could confide in and to guide him through this tough time. And who knows, maybe…in the distant future…
 
The cultural sensibility of our U.S.A. is not Catholic (but rather more Calvinist influenced.) Which is why we always fail to see meaning or value in essence, but only usually recognize functionality. What we have to do is find a way to truly leaven and evangelize even our own Catholics to be truly counter cultural in offering a perspective to the world around us that brings the truth of the Christian message in its fullness to impact our society’s sensibilities. But, that is challenging as it goes against the grain. Yet this is in some way what those in religious life have to offer first and foremost for all of us to see (if only our eyes are open to understanding the great gift which is before us.)
 
The cultural sensibility of our U.S.A. is not Catholic (but rather more Calvinist influenced.) Which is why we always fail to see meaning or value in essence, but only usually recognize functionality. What we have to do is find a way to truly leaven and evangelize even our own Catholics to be truly counter cultural in offering a perspective to the world around us that brings the truth of the Christian message in its fullness to impact our society’s sensibilities. But, that is challenging as it goes against the grain. Yet this is in some way what those in religious life have to offer first and foremost for all of us to see (if only our eyes are open to understanding the great gift which is before us.)
Underscore is mine

Truly we have become very oriented toward outcome and productivity. While they are important, alone they can be misleading. We Catholics must begin to take a closer look at essence, being over doing. When speaking about responding to a call from God to serve as a religious, priest, or both, the key is to think about who God is calling me to become. What he is calling me to do will be revealed as I become the person that he wants me to be.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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