What new revelation does the holy Koran contain?

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Dorothy said:
That is correct. Muhammad did not have signs and wonders.
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Yes he did. In what’s known as the Night Journey, he traveled from Mecca to Jerusalem in one night and ascended into Heaven to hear God’s instructions on salah (prayer). When he returned to Mecca, he was able to describe Jerusalem as if he had just been there. 👍
 
worldcitizen said:
Hi Techno,

One can’t believe in Muhammad over Jesus. Because to belive in Muhammad one must accept Jesus it’s mandatory.

As far as miracles are concerned. Muhammad was an illiterate man yet here we are 1400 years later still trying to understand a Book revealed to Him. How can an illiterate man produce a Book that can have 1.6 billion followers?
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Right, didn’t he say angel revealed it to him?
 
drac16 said:
Yes he did. In what’s known as the Night Journey, he traveled from Mecca to Jerusalem in one night and ascended into Heaven to hear God’s instructions on salah (prayer). When he returned to Mecca, he was able to describe Jerusalem as if he had just been there. 👍
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That’s nothing compared to Jesus’s miracles.
 
The Koran isn’t Holy- lets get that straight. There are even parts of the Koran that were written before Muhammed was born.

Second, the Vatican shouldn’t be covering up statues for Muslim guests. (I had to get that out of my system)

Third, the Koran isn’t holy.
 
TonyBS said:
Please consider this is not to become a debate as to the merits of the corrections, but to acknowledge they are there.

Thus please start another thread if you wish to debate the reply on any of the Koran Passages posted here. As it is known a Christian will not agree.

Muhammad stated in the Koran that Christianity had started making an incorrect interpretation of the Station of Christ by revealing;

“People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a ‘Trinity’—stop, that is better for you—God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust”. Qur’an, sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 17

It is important to know this “The term “People of the Book” in the Qur’an refers to followers of monotheistic Abrahamic religions that are older than Islam. This includes all Christians, all Children of Israel (including Jews, Karaites and Samaritans), and Sabians”.

It is also important to balance this Passage with others about the ‘Station’ of Jesus the Christ.

I repeat, there will be no debate of this subject. It is a Revelation contained within the Koran, that 622 odd years after Christianity, did indeed become 'New Revelation".

Regards Tony
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Yes you and I should keep to the topic. So would you say Muhammad’s main contribution was the refutation of the doctrine of the trinity and the worship of entities other than God?
 
drac16 said:
Tawheed is more than disbelieving in Jesus as the second person of the Trinity. Tawheed not in the in the New Testament-- the opposite is there. Trinitarians believe that God died on a cross. The Old Testament says that God neither sleeps, nor slumbers, but in the book of Mark, Jesus is sleeping on a boat.

Believing that God died is the opposite of Tawheed, because people die. Allah is beyond death, so to say that He died is contrary to Tawheed.

Is Tawheed it in the Old Testament, though? that is debatable.
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Looks like Tawheed means that someone can not be God and Man at the same time. The person who died on the cross was the human part of Jesus. I read somewhere that some Muslims believe that Jesus did not die on the cross but ascended to heaven physically without actaully dying - that is a very strange belief. Tawheed sounds a lot like the OT view of God (or even the Zoroastrian view).

BTW, just so you know, I think Sufism was a great improvement to Islam (as is the Bahai Faith).

But Islam as given in the Koran and practiced by a majority of Islam is not at all an improvement over Christianity for it to be a more recent for even final revelation from God - it seems a bit superfluous for humankind
 
That is the most ridiculous theological thesis- Jesus said, I AM. He knew what he was saying. All the early martyr’s knew it. Not going to convert anyone here. Mohammed was a slave keeping lying soldier who converted by the sword. Still going on.
 
Prophet Muhammad was in solitude in the cave on Mount Hira. He was startled by the Angel of Revelation, Gabriel, the same who had come to Mary, the mother of Jesus, who seized him in a close embrace. A single word of command burst upon him: ‘Iqra’ - ‘Read! He said: ‘I am not able to read!’ but the command was issued twice more, each with the same response from the Prophet. Finally, he was grasped with overwhelming force by the angel. Gabriel released him, and the first ‘recitation’ of the Quran was revealed to him:

“Read in the name of your Lord who created -created man from a clot. Read: for your Lord is Most Bountiful, who teaches by the pen, teaches man that which he knew not.” (Quran 96:1-5)
islamreligion.com/articles/183/muhammad-s-biography-part-3/

What was it that man …“knew not.” ???
 
It would be a sign to Christians that the angel was not in fact Gabriel that appeared, since in the Bible shows every instance of a startled human being greeted by “Peace”/“Be not afraid”
 
SyroMalankara said:
It would be a sign to Christians that the angel was not in fact Gabriel that appeared, since in the Bible shows every instance of a startled human being greeted by “Peace”/“Be not afraid”
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And the Bible says God made man from…dust of the ground… not… blood clots.
 
Techno2000 said:
Prophet Muhammad was in solitude in the cave on Mount Hira. He was startled by the Angel of Revelation, Gabriel, the same who had come to Mary, the mother of Jesus, who seized him in a close embrace. A single word of command burst upon him: ‘Iqra’ - ‘Read! He said: ‘I am not able to read!’ but the command was issued twice more, each with the same response from the Prophet. Finally, he was grasped with overwhelming force by the angel. Gabriel released him, and the first ‘recitation’ of the Quran was revealed to him:

“Read in the name of your Lord who created -created man from a clot. Read: for your Lord is Most Bountiful, who teaches by the pen, teaches man that which he knew not.” (Quran 96:1-5)
islamreligion.com/articles/183/muhammad-s-biography-part-3/

What was it that man …“knew not.” ???
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Beautiful Techno.

Everything. It was God Who sent Jesus and Abraham and Moses and taught us truth.

God has taught man everything. All the revelations of the past. And Gabriel was saying to Muhammad that the same God Who Has taught man everything is teaching Muhammad to read.
 
Techno2000 said:
That’s nothing compared to Jesus’s miracles.
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Miracles per se are not regarded as a sign of divinity according to BOTH the Hebrew Bible (OT) and the New Testament. Moses, the greatest prophet of Judaism, warns the Jewish people against believing in the miracles of a prophet in Deuteronomy, if those miracles lead one away from the G-d with Whom they are familiar.
 
SyroMalankara said:
It would be a sign to Christians that the angel was not in fact Gabriel that appeared, since in the Bible shows every instance of a startled human being greeted by “Peace”/“Be not afraid”
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Peace may have been said but wasn’t recorded we don’t know.

Also there are many aspects of truth we may be unaware of that God reveals gradually. The Bible was a further revelation of truth not included in the Old Testament. So the Quran is a Revelation of truths not included in the Bible.
 
meltzerboy said:
Miracles per se are not regarded as a sign of divinity according to BOTH the Hebrew Bible (OT) and the New Testament. Moses, the greatest prophet of Judaism, warns the Jewish people against believing in the miracles of a prophet in Deuteronomy, if those miracles lead one away from the G-d with Whom they are familiar.
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I’m familiar with Moses, and Jesus so I’m not being lead away.🙂
 
Wasn’t recorded? You mean like digitally? Because Christians would consider the Bible an accurate record of the event.

Using the same standard of not recorded digitally, neither the Qur’an nor anything spoken of the Bab or Baha’u’llah is to be trusted
 
worldcitizen said:
Peace may have been said but wasn’t recorded we don’t know.

Also there are many aspects of truth we may be unaware of that God reveals gradually. The Bible was a further revelation of truth not included in the Old Testament. So the Quran is a Revelation of truths not included in the Bible.
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According to Judaism, the “Old Testament” is the Bible, the whole Bible, and nothing but the Bible. And there are so many indications from G-d Himself in the (Hebrew) Bible, that this is His eternal and unchangeable Word, that is, His final revelation.
 
worldcitizen said:
Peace may have been said but wasn’t recorded we don’t know.

Also there are many aspects of truth we may be unaware of that God reveals gradually. The Bible was a further revelation of truth not included in the Old Testament. So the Quran is a Revelation of truths not included in the Bible.
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David, that’s the point of this Thread, he wants to know what are those extra truths.
 
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