What new revelation does the holy Koran contain?

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I think when one researches this subject about the Koran, you come up with a lot of comments like this from followers of Muhammad;

"Humanity has received divine guidance through two channels: the word of Allah and the prophets who were chosen by Him to communicate His will to humanity These channels have always functioned together, and if one is ignored or neglected, the will of Allah cannot be known with any degree of accuracy.

The Hindus neglected their prophets and focused all of their attention on their books, which proved to be only word puzzles that eventually were no longer understood by the people. Similarly the Christians, disregarding the Bible, attached importance only to the person of Jesus Christ and eventually deified him,. This resulted in the loss of the very essence of monotheism contained in the Bible.

This comment has been explored on other threads, but is why to me the Koran was needed. “This resulted in the loss of the very essence of monotheism contained in the Bible”.

The Koran brings Christians back to the One God, through the Prophets and gives us the Love of God again through a better understanding of “The Father and I are One” and the “Father is Greater than I”.

Regards Tony
 
SyroMalankara said:
Clearly you have a flawed understanding of Catholicism if you think one man wields all the power. The Pope is a servant to the other bishops of which there are today more than 5,100 worldwide. These bishops in Union with the Pope are the ordinary teaching authority of the Church. Nine men - women are excluded by Bahai - can be no less totalitarian than 1. How is that an improvement on the Catholic leadership model?
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Well it is interesting… there are no sacerdotal functions in the Baha’i Faith and I believe there are none in Islam… So the priestly function is more of a Christian institution.

Yes as Baha’is we believe women do not serve on the House of Justice… which is elected every five years by the members of the National Spiritual Assemblies around the world. Women do serve on Assemblies as full members on the local and national levels and they also serve as Counselors. Assemblies are elected annually. Counselors are appointed.

Historically women have had a very important role in the Baha’i Faith… The sister of Abdul-Baha Bahiyyih Khanum was the de facto head of the Faith until Shoghi Effendi was able to assume his role as Guardian…Women have also actively taught the Faith.
 
openmind77 said:
Of course we want guidance from God. We should welcome such guidance and we will surely get it when the Christ Returns. But we just don’t want political guidance from mullahs or their equivalent in other religions.

Sorry, I don’t really read or follow much of the OT.
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So what do you know about the guidance given to us by Muhammad and then the Bab and Baha’u’llah on this matter?

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Servant19 said:
So what do you know about the guidance given to us by Muhammad and then the Bab and Baha’u’llah on this matter?

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Like I said we should welcome the guidance from God regarding how to run our political or social institutions.

However, I don’t believe any of the three above are Gods, so while we can examine their opinions and evaluate them, I don’t think we should take any of it as gospel truth.

I am no expert on such matters (government or social institutions) but religious books is not first place I would look for answers regarding them. As I said before, religion is about the nature of God, the purpose of life and means of personal salvation. For secular knowledge I prefer to look elsewhere.

If you are saying that value of the Koran is its advice on government and legal systems, I would say it is totally outdated today and I am not sure if it was ever very useful except for the Arabs of the seventh century.
 
there is nothing new about doctrines that deny the Holy Trinity and Jesus’ as the Second Person of the Trinity.

from the moment Jesus taught us about the Holy Trinity and His natural place in It, there have been those who deny His teachings
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teaching that Jesus was wrong about the Holy Trinity and His natural Sonship within the Trinity is NOTHING NEW.

it would be foolish to give credibility to those who preach this doctrine that is not part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. they are simply rehashing the reasons they do not believe in the Jesus Christ who revealed Himself fully to the Twelve Apostles.

while some of them will tell us they believe in Jesus, the Jesus they believe in is entirely a creature of their creation and comes from their not believing the Jesus of Nazareth who revealed Himself to the Apostles. the Jesus they preach is not the same Jesus that the Apostles preached.

our faith comes from the apostles. keep this faith close. it is only through this faith that we have been offered eternal life and the forgiveness of sins. without this faith, we remain in our sins, estranged from our Creator.
 
we can be sure and confident that those who deny the Holy Trinity and Jesus as the Second Person of the Holy Trinity were not sent to us by the Father.
 
eddie_too said:
we can be sure and confident that those who deny the Holy Trinity and Jesus as the Second Person of the Holy Trinity were not sent to us by the Father.
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Then the Revelation in the Koran is New to this Interpretation. It gave the correct way of considering God, the Holy Spirit and His Messenger. It corrected how these aspects are combined in our Knowing and Loving God. It was an important lesson to learn to be able to accept further Revelation.

It is then also of great interest that Muslims have also closed the Koran as the Christians and Jews also have to further Revelations.

The problem with this is, they kept comming!

Regards Tony
 
eddie_too said:
we can be sure and confident that those who deny the Holy Trinity and Jesus as the Second Person of the Holy Trinity were not sent to us by the Father.
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The Jews are still quite sure that Jesus the Christ was not Biblical.

Man should never be so sure, we should always be asking forgiveness.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Then the Revelation in the Koran is New to this Interpretation. It gave the correct way of considering God, the Holy Spirit and His Messenger. It corrected how these aspects are combined in our Knowing and Loving God. It was an important lesson to learn to be able to accept further Revelation.

It is then also of great interest that Muslims have also closed the Koran as the Christians and Jews also have to further Revelations.

The problem with this is, they kept comming!

Regards Tony
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What if this New Revelation comes from the Devil ?
 
Dorothy said:
Amen!
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What I found in life is that we pray a lot about things that are not best for us. Self builds us up to such heights of assurance that we fail to see the the simple truths.

Basically can not see the Forrest because of the trees.

A good meditation to consider, it has quite profound meanings, is

“The good deeds of the righteous, are the sins of the near ones”.

God bless your journey - Regards Tony
 
Techno2000 said:
What if this New Revelation comes from the Devil ?
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My test of Muhammad and The Koran using The Bible as guidance and as Christ has instructed us to do, found this not to be so. It confirmed Muhammad is indeed a True Prophet. That The Bible also foretells of His Revelation was an added bounty in this search.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
My test of Muhammad and The Koran using The Bible as guidance and as Christ has instructed us to do, found this not to be so. It confirmed Muhammad is indeed a True Prophet. That The Bible also foretells of His Revelation was an added bounty in this search.

Regards Tony
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Ok, you TonyBS… a fallible mortal, can tell me infallibly with 100% certitude that these "New Revelations " come directly from GOD ?
 
Techno2000 said:
Ok, you TonyBS… a fallible mortal, can tell me infallibly with 100% certitude that these "New Revelations " come directly from GOD ?
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I told you of my search. Your efforts are up to you.

You will have to consider that if there is One God, then reason would dictate that we can find purpose in everything good or bad. You will have to choose your source/s for this information.

Yes this information comes from sources that I have determined are an Infallable Source.

A few of these being Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha’u’llah.

Thus do not take my fallible word for it, search and may you find what I found. If not God bless always and no need to fear as the swords are now plowshares.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
My test of Muhammad and The Koran using The Bible as guidance and as Christ has instructed us to do, found this not to be so. It confirmed Muhammad is indeed a True Prophet. That The Bible also foretells of His Revelation was an added bounty in this search.

Regards Tony
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We say the opposite, Jesus tell of a false Prophet that would come from the desert.
 
Techno2000 said:
We say the opposite, Jesus tell of a false Prophet that would come from the desert.
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Every one is entitled to an opinion on scripture. As you are with yours you posted above, not scriptural but just an opinion.

I like it that we can make a choice for that to be in Unity with all mankind or not.

Either way God is Sufficient unto me, say God is the all Sufficing, in Him let the trusting trust.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Every one is entitled to an opinion on scripture. As you are with yours you posted above, not scriptural but just an opinion.

I like it that we can make a choice for that to be in Unity with all mankind or not.

Either way God is Sufficient unto me, say God is the all Sufficing, in Him let the trusting trust.

Regards Tony
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Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the** desert**; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
 
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