What priestly vestments do you prefer to see priests wear as Mass celebrants?

[Roseeurekacross]

No. (Post must be at least 16 characters.)

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Was this a statement in any way throwing detracting light on Jesuit Priests?

 

[Hereiam]

You continue to give subjective opinion, I asked for objective evidence, which you do not have or don’t wish to be constrained by, so I’m out!

 

[Duesenberg]

You continue to give subjective opinion, I asked for objective evidence, which you do not have or don’t wish to be constrained by, so I’m out!

I’m just pointing out that because a certain behavior does not result an in invalid sacramental outcome does not mean said behavior is good or even that it’s acceptable. A great deal of odd, even deleterious behavior in the Church has been justified by what amounts to “eliminating or ignoring XYZ (despite being a requirement of the Church) does not lead to an invalid sacrament, therefore it’s perfectly OK to ignore the Chuch’s requirements.”

That’s simply wrong.

Using a Styrofoam cup as a chalice and a paper plate as a paten to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass wouldn’t invalidate the sacrament, but it would still be gravely wrong to do so – unless there was absolutely no other option. Same goes for the priest who doesn’t wear a stole while hearing confessions. In both cases, grace does not come from approved sacred vessels or vestments – it obviously comes from God, but that’s not license to celebrate not following what the Church directs.

 

[Duesenberg]

@Duesenberg, I don’t know how that last quote came out attributed to me, to just to keep things straight, Hereiam actually wrote it, in #30.

My apologies. I corrected it.

 

[Duesenberg]

I wonder if they could make rip stop nylon vestments? Tactical vestments for chaplains

They were not vestments per se, but I did meet three priests wearing cassocks made of high-tech materials, while on a very long pilgrimage.

 

[Cruciferi]

With the whole world needing evangelized we might as well spare no expense when it comes to gear for our missionaries.

 

[FrDavid96]

Near in mind i am speaking of sacraments outside the Mass, which could include confessions, Eucharist, matrimony (ie, convalidation).

Simple question, considering use of “should” instead of “must”…is it your opinion or is it a canonical requirement that a stole be worn by the priest administering sacraments outside the Mass?

And, I’m not saying it is not canonical, but because so many “little ones” frequent this website seeking answers, we should use this opportunity for catechesis, by providing a source reference.

If it is not a canonical requirement, you may feel a Hawiaan shirt is inappropriate, but it is not illicit, and certainly does not make the sacrament invalid.

If it is your opinion that it inappropriate, that’s fair enough, but you must accept that nobody is obligated to share your opinion or mine.

First, you need to use proper terminology.

Canon law does not address liturgical issues (for the most part). These are addressed in the liturgical laws of the Church.

And yes, liturgical laws do indeed specify that a priest is to wear certain vestments, depending on exactly what is happening.

Every Rite of the Church has its own regulations for what the priest is required to wear.

[126.] The abuse is reprobated whereby the sacred ministers celebrate Holy Mass or other rites without sacred vestments or with only a stole over the monastic cowl or the common habit of religious or ordinary clothes, contrary to the prescriptions of the liturgical books, even when there is only one minister participating. In order that such abuses be corrected as quickly as possible, Ordinaries should take care that in all churches and oratories subject to their jurisdiction there is present an adequate supply of liturgical vestments made in accordance with the norms.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html

 

[Hereiam]

Thanks Father. I was just looking for an answer with some objective evidence instead of “I like” and “I think”!

 

[Duesenberg]

Thanks Father. I was just looking for an answer with some objective evidence instead of “I like” and “I think”!

Rejecting your voiced theory which amounts to “if it doesn’t invalidate the sacrament, it’s OK” was quite objective. It was up to you to support your belief.