What qualifies as "innocent ignorance?"

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The church has always said that the one true church is the Catholic church. I believe that. She’s also said that people who are invincibly (innocently) ignorant of Christ and the Church may still be saved.

“Innocent ignornace” means, “Through no fault of one’s own.” Well, there are some pretty easy examples for that. If a mother and a father are atheists and they have a child, he will be raised as an atheist. If he dies as a young child, then naturally he hasn’t known anything except what his parents have taught him, and they certainly wouldn’t have baptised him. But he’s not even old enough for real decision-making, so it’s unlikely that the child would receive immediate damnation. We can all accept that as innocent ignorance.

What throws me is where adults come in, and what qualifies as “innocence” for them.

What about a Hare Krishna, raised apart from Christianity (certain areas of India have extremely small populations of Christians and very large populations of Hindus)? Any contact with Christians would be very limited when he was a child. If he grew up and didn’t feel the need to explore Christianity because it was so foreign to him.

What about Muslims (not extremists, but your average Joe who tries to live a good life and abhors violence against anyone), who were raised to believe that Christianity was evil and that all Christians would end up in hell? As an adult, he has no desire to learn anything about “the enemy” because he doesn’t want to tarnish his soul and because he thinks we’re dangerous people.

What about a kid born in an Evangelical family that was raised that all Catholics are going to hell because we’re idol worshipers, we worship Mary, etc.? Evangelicals can be very powerful speakers, raining thunder down on people from the pulpit or even from the pews. From the day she’s born, that kid is taught that it’s her sacred duty to convert heathen Catholics and other non-Evangelicals to the “true” worship.

In all three cases these people are adults. I would expect that an adult non-Catholic living in your average town in North America or Europe, where there are Catholics around worshiping publicly, would have the responsibility to at least listen to the Church and make an informed decision, and that refusing to do so would be deliberate ignorance, not at all innocent. But the three cases above are weird because of how far the people in question are separated from Catholicism.

I’m not interested in trying to excuse anyone; God handles the sorting-out business and He would do a far better job than I would. I’m just trying to understand how it fits with adults, because I know a lot of Baptists and other Evangelicals, and I do worry about them because of their disbelief in the Catholic Church. I was wondering to what degree separation and indoctrination from/against Catholicism played a part in innocent ignorance.
 
Bump. Can this get answered or can someone direct me to where it has been answered?
 
If Our Lord gives these adults graces for their conversion and they adamantly refuse to cooperate with these graces, then their ignorance would not be invincible or innocent – I believe bad will and/or obstinacy would be involved. It could be that Our Lord gives these people ample graces, graces that are refused out of spiritual blindness and hardness of heart. Let us pray for those living in darkness and under the devil.
 
The church has always said that the one true church is the Catholic church. I believe that. She’s also said that people who are invincibly (innocently) ignorant of Christ and the Church may still be saved.

“Innocent ignornace” means, “Through no fault of one’s own.” Well, there are some pretty easy examples for that. If a mother and a father are atheists and they have a child, he will be raised as an atheist. If he dies as a young child, then naturally he hasn’t known anything except what his parents have taught him, and they certainly wouldn’t have baptised him. But he’s not even old enough for real decision-making, so it’s unlikely that the child would receive immediate damnation. We can all accept that as innocent ignorance.

What throws me is where adults come in, and what qualifies as “innocence” for them.

What about a Hare Krishna, raised apart from Christianity (certain areas of India have extremely small populations of Christians and very large populations of Hindus)? Any contact with Christians would be very limited when he was a child. If he grew up and didn’t feel the need to explore Christianity because it was so foreign to him.

What about Muslims (not extremists, but your average Joe who tries to live a good life and abhors violence against anyone), who were raised to believe that Christianity was evil and that all Christians would end up in hell? As an adult, he has no desire to learn anything about “the enemy” because he doesn’t want to tarnish his soul and because he thinks we’re dangerous people.

What about a kid born in an Evangelical family that was raised that all Catholics are going to hell because we’re idol worshipers, we worship Mary, etc.? Evangelicals can be very powerful speakers, raining thunder down on people from the pulpit or even from the pews. From the day she’s born, that kid is taught that it’s her sacred duty to convert heathen Catholics and other non-Evangelicals to the “true” worship.

In all three cases these people are adults. I would expect that an adult non-Catholic living in your average town in North America or Europe, where there are Catholics around worshiping publicly, would have the responsibility to at least listen to the Church and make an informed decision, and that refusing to do so would be deliberate ignorance, not at all innocent. But the three cases above are weird because of how far the people in question are separated from Catholicism.

I’m not interested in trying to excuse anyone; God handles the sorting-out business and He would do a far better job than I would. I’m just trying to understand how it fits with adults, because I know a lot of Baptists and other Evangelicals, and I do worry about them because of their disbelief in the Catholic Church. I was wondering to what degree separation and indoctrination from/against Catholicism played a part in innocent ignorance.
The Church does not define what individuals or groups of people are invincibly ignorant so whatever anyone says will be an opinion only.
My personal opinion is that very few people will be genuinely invincibly ignorant but that does not mean I am correct.
 
I have heard priests discussing this concept and what I’ve gathered from them is that now a days it is almost impossible to fall into the innocent ignorance. Pretty much the only way to fall into this is if you live on one of those African tribes. South American Indians those remote populations on Asia who have zero contact with civilization and live so remote with no means of communication or contact with any person from civilization that they have no knowledge of current civilization. They mentioned that in order to have innocent ignorance you should have never heard about the catholic church, Jesus or anything regarding the catholic. In short you are supposed to be in a condition that you have never seen heard or have contact with the word catholic, with a catholic or seen anything related to it and in our current world given the size of the church, the high numbers of catholics and modern communications, almost every single person has heard at least of the word catholic and that would immediately disqualify you from innocent ignorant. Very difficult to meet according to most priests.
 
The responsibility to evangelize these people is ours. We need to live our faith in such a way that they say, “See how they love one another!” cf Jn. 13:35
 
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