What really happens at the END?

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Fidelis:
Although we have no way of knowing, I’ve heard the speculation that for those alive at the time of the 2nd Coming, their purgation will take place all at once in a quicker but more intense way than those who spend longer and a less intense time in Purgatory. Either way, there is a temporary state of purification needed, as
'nothing unclean shall enter heaven." (Rev 23:21).
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I have heard speculation that, since the tribulation will occur before the rapture of the Church, the remaining faithful will hve lived out their allotted temporal punishment through the tribulation – it will be THAT bad! So they will need little time in Purgatory, if any at all.

Interesting idea, but purely speculative…

Peace,
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piety101:
Mary is not mentioned in the Genesis account. Most bible translations say, HE shall bruise the head of the snake" and not she. It was Christ who overcame the devil by his death and resurrection. 🙂
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Interesting article about this from Catholic Answers:

catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9709chap.asp
Who Will Crush The Serpent’s Head?
 
Fidelis
Hmmm, what about all the rest of those fathers BEFORE St Bernard? Did they also say the woman of Revelation 12 was Mary? Or did some say the woman was the church? Be honest now. :)
 
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        Hmmm, what about all the rest of those fathers BEFORE St Bernard? Did they also say the woman of Revelation 12 was Mary? Or did some say the woman was the church? Be honest now. :)
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🙂 Before I spend a lot of time looking for Church Father’s quotes about Revelation 12 that is less “modern” than 1100 AD, is there an arbitrary cut-off date that you have set? 800 AD? 600 AD? 300 AD? How did you arrive at this arbitrary date and not, say, the year or decade or century before or after? How many quotes from Church Fathers would it take to convince you? Three? Eight? All of them? St. Bernard of Claivoux is an acknowledged Church Father–is he not to your liking, or might you have an arbitrary criteria for this as well? 🙂
 
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           And they were? :confused:
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🙂 Before I spend a lot of time looking for Church Father’s quotes about Revelation 12 that is less “modern” than 1100 AD, is there an arbitrary cut-off date that you have set? 800 AD? 600 AD? 300 AD? How did you arrive at this arbitrary date and not, say, the year or decade or century before or after? How many quotes from Church Fathers would it take to convince you? Three? Eight? All of them? St. Bernard of Claivoux is an acknowledged Church Father–is he not to your liking, or might you have an arbitrary criteria for this as well? 🙂
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piety101:
Actually, the church wasn’t always Amillennial as most Catholics are led to believe.But some were as Augustine and Origin. Some early fathers were very millennial. Justin Martyr and Irenaeus were two.
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They did not believe in “The End” as described by Tim LaHaye and other current dispensationalist thinkers. The writings of the fathers aren’t infallible either. Their writings are useful when looked at in totality; individual opinions did vary from topic to topic.

I don’t have my info with me on this but David Currie does talk about it in his book Rapture.
 
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