What religion do I sound like to you?

[mark_a]

Re: What religion do I sound like to you?

Confusionism.

 

[dianaiad]

I thought you weren’t supposed to believe in Jesus at all?

Anyhow - yes, you sound confused, like someone who was taken to Church or to Synagogue once in a while, but mostly got their beliefs from conversations with other kids at school who also weren’t being very well educated in their religion, either. (Hypothetically, of course. I’m not speaking directly to a real person; I just mean “you” to mean “someone”.)

They aren’t? Most of my Jewish friends believe that Jesus was real, and a Rabbi/style wise man. Some of them are willing to call Him a prophet. I don’t know any Jews who don’t believe in Him “at all…” except those who happen to be cultural Jews and religious atheists…but then I don’t know all THAT many Jews. Those I do know tend to be reformed or ‘cultural’ Jews…you know, the sort that have Chanukah bushes.

I have no idea what the official stand is, especially for Orthodox Jews. In fact, I have no idea what the official stand is on Jesus at all in Judaism; I’m only reporting what my few Jewish friends think…and boy, do they give me an earful!

 

[ralphinal]

Deist.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Reformed Universalist Scientologist with a hint of Buddhism and a sprinkle of Ba’hai

 

[Bishop93]

They aren’t? Most of my Jewish friends believe that Jesus was real, and a Rabbi/style wise man. Some of them are willing to call Him a prophet. I don’t know any Jews who don’t believe in Him “at all…” except those who happen to be cultural Jews and religious atheists…but then I don’t know all THAT many Jews. Those I do know tend to be reformed or ‘cultural’ Jews…you know, the sort that have Chanukah bushes.

I have no idea what the official stand is, especially for Orthodox Jews. In fact, I have no idea what the official stand is on Jesus at all in Judaism; I’m only reporting what my few Jewish friends think…and boy, do they give me an earful!

Exactly!..That’s what I was saying.

 

[Bishop93]

Re: What religion do I sound like to you?

Confusionism.

Yeah I’m confused on deciphering between what I believe and what I SHOULD believe…That’s why I posted this question here to get feed back from Christians.

 

[Bishop93]

It sounds as if you’ve decided what it is that you WANT to be true about God and now you are in search of a religion that fits the beliefs you already have.

Doesn’t that bother you at least a little bit?

If I’d already decided 100% I’d be at Synagogue…But I’m not because I’m not sure that’s why I’m asking Christians.

It absolutely bothers me…Again,that’s why I asking this question.

I’m trying to figure things out.

 

[seraphime2008]

Why don’t you delve into the religious books of each faith that you seem to have some proportional belief? Read why Christian see Jesus as God by reading the whole NT. Then read the OT to see the Jewish believe (I don’t even know whether this is an official book of the Jews…), and read the Koran. Then after that you might have some more insight of what you suppose to believe.

Well this is assuming that you were only gathering information bits by bits from your surrounding.

And religion is also a matter of how you project or take on your relationship with God, those three have different views, and if you have already your outset on this, I think it will help you to decide which religion fits your mind, while I don’t think that man’s heart is always leaning to the truth.

Just pray and ask God truly in your heart to let Him guide you.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

1. I believe God is supreme without a body.
2. I believe Jesus was a man full of wisdom with a message to spread that led him to fall victim to a corrupt system.
3. I don’t know if I believe Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.
4. I believe in Genesis but I think a day could be thousands of years.
5. I don’t think faith alone will secure you salvation.
6. I support evolution.

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–Social Issues–

1. Pro-Life AND pro-contraceptives.
2. I’m support gay marriage but not because I’m gay.

I have felt a calling to Judaism for the last year in a half and even spoke with a Rabbi about my urge to become a Rabbi and he said follow my heart.

I know what my heart says,I’ve prayed and I think I know what God says,but my mind keeps leading me in different directions.

What do you think I should do?

Of your six points, only two and three would necessarily disqualify you from being a Christian.

1. We also think God is supreme without a body, except in the special case of Christ’s coming (except for Christ, no problem there).
2. We think Christ was God the Son, and therefore would be good by sheer definition. Since the world’s kingdoms are ultimately under the devil’s authority (you’ll notice the “best” governments generally have a bias towards either Christianity or Judaism, which means the devil finds it harder to infiltrate them), then He would have been destroyed anyway, as the devil is God’s ultimate enemy. That is difference no.1.
3. We accept Mary was a virgin. If God can make a universe out of nothing, it’s not going to be difficult for him to tweak an ova in a supernatural way. The “brothers” of Jesus were most likely cousins. That is difference no. 2.
4. Christians have all sorts of beliefs about origins. Some, like you, accept Genesis with thousands of years for a day. Some believe in a literal 6 day creation. Others believe in theistic evolution. The Catholic Church doesn’t tell its members what to believe in this area.
5. Christ himself said there would be those who thought “faith” would be all they needed, and He would say to them, “Get away from me, you accursed”. I suppose there would be various reasons for this, but in context, it mainly seems to be a case of how they treated the “least of these my brothers” or if you like, other people. So strictly speaking, “faith” is only part of the story.
6. I’m a bit of a creationist myself. But Catholics are free to choose their own beliefs on origins (this really relates to point 3).

Of the other 2 points, I also am pro-life (against abortion) and pro-contraception. Apparently 80% of Catholics in the USA use contraceptives I read in a book “Why Be Catholic?”. The Church is flogging a dead horse on this one.

There would be disagreement about gay marriage.

In the end then, the two main differences of opinion centre on Christ and His Mother. Since the two come together, I’d suggest you read the essay, “The Assumption and the Modern World” by Bishop Fulton Sheen, link below.

freerepublic.com/focus/news/2298170/posts

To understand it in context, you’d then need to do a bit of research on Mary’s appearance at Lourdes, her self description as the "Immaculate Conception to St. Bernadette Soubirous, and then you might find St. Bernadette’s incorrupt state a bit startling.

wf-f.org/OurLadyofLourdes.html

From Wikipedia, “Contemporary Catholic interpreters had great difficulties, explaining Bernadette’s claim on the Immaculate Conception, of which she knew nothing. Ecclasiastical authorities tried unsuccessfully to ridicule her statement to that effect as not credible.”

You can see pictures of her here. There are others also. Bear in mind she’s been dead for more than 140 years.

catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/bb_bernadette_body.htm

 

[jpk1313]

1. I believe God is supreme without a body.
2. I believe Jesus was a man full of wisdom with a message to spread that led him to fall victim to a corrupt system.
3. I don’t know if I believe Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.
4. I believe in Genesis but I think a day could be thousands of years.
5. I don’t think faith alone will secure you salvation.
6. I support evolution.

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–Social Issues–

1. Pro-Life AND pro-contraceptives.
2. I’m support gay marriage but not because I’m gay.

I have felt a calling to Judaism for the last year in a half and even spoke with a Rabbi about my urge to become a Rabbi and he said follow my heart.

I know what my heart says,I’ve prayed and I think I know what God says,but my mind keeps leading me in different directions.

What do you think I should do?

What religion do you sound like? I’m leaning towards one of those funny guys who ware chicken feathers, kill goats and dance around in a circle but really just keep reading up on the faith. When I was in my initial conversion I started with the jewish faith and moved onto Christianity and islam. After reading both the bible and koran I came to belive in the Christian faith. When your rabbi said follow your heart he was giving you great advice, becuse all conversion happens in the heart between you and God. Just keep looking into whatever faith interests you and God will bring you to him.

 

[puzzleannie]

If I’d already decided 100% I’d be at Synagogue…But I’m not because I’m not sure that’s why I’m asking Christians.

It absolutely bothers me…Again,that’s why I asking this question.

I’m trying to figure things out.

my advice is to go back to the beginning where you first lost whatever it is you are looking for. Learn all you can about the faith into which you were born or raised, your first faith home. That should inevitably require immersion into the Hebrew Scripture, the logical starting point as well for someone who may one day want to explore Christianity. It will as well not only reacquaint you with your own traditions, but hopefully provide the historical and scriptural basis for those traditions, and love and appreciation for the people who own them.

In this journey of self-knowledge if there is to be a further movement toward the Jew we know and love as Jesus, for a Jew it seems that embracing the fullness of what that means is the place to start.

 

[Publisher]

my advice is to go back to the beginning where you first lost whatever it is you are looking for. Learn all you can about the faith into which you were born or raised, your first faith home. That should inevitably require immersion into the Hebrew Scripture, the logical starting point as well for someone who may one day want to explore Christianity. It will as well not only reacquaint you with your own traditions, but hopefully provide the historical and scriptural basis for those traditions, and love and appreciation for the people who own them.

In this journey of self-knowledge if there is to be a further movement toward the Jew we know and love as Jesus, for a Jew it seems that embracing the fullness of what that means is the place to start.

The advice above is probably the most sound advice I’ve read in this thread. I agree…go back to your own birth faith and begin to study in earnest and discover the beauty and spirituality of your own faith…THEN if after doing an intensive study and immersion into your own faith you still feel “something’s missing”…widen your search…you’ll have a better base to begin a new Journey.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

Prophet as in a wise man who taught people about God and spread a message for the later Christians.

**.Moses is the greatest prophet of Judaism-Mohammed is to Muslims and Jesus is to Christians
Personally,Mohammed and Jesus teaching aren’t significant as the Torah however they are important for alot of people so I can’t say they are absolutely false.So being since Christians look at Jesus as a prophet…I’m not going to dispute that.
Jesus was NOT the Messiah in my opinion.<-------I think that’s what you’re getting confused about when I say prophet.

You don’t understand what I’m saying

I can’t believe no one has corrected this yet! Christians DO NOT believe that Jesus was a Prophet!!! We believe He is God the Son, the 2nd Person of the Trinity, as well as the Messiah. And since when is Messiah synonymous with Prophet? Jonah, Elijah, Isaiah, etc, were all Prophets, not Messiahs.

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[Bishop93]

Of your six points, only two and three would necessarily disqualify you from being a Christian.

1. We also think God is supreme without a body, except in the special case of Christ’s coming (except for Christ, no problem there).
2. We think Christ was God the Son, and therefore would be good by sheer definition. Since the world’s kingdoms are ultimately under the devil’s authority (you’ll notice the “best” governments generally have a bias towards either Christianity or Judaism, which means the devil finds it harder to infiltrate them), then He would have been destroyed anyway, as the devil is God’s ultimate enemy. That is difference no.1.
3. We accept Mary was a virgin. If God can make a universe out of nothing, it’s not going to be difficult for him to tweak an ova in a supernatural way. The “brothers” of Jesus were most likely cousins. That is difference no. 2.
4. Christians have all sorts of beliefs about origins. Some, like you, accept Genesis with thousands of years for a day. Some believe in a literal 6 day creation. Others believe in theistic evolution. The Catholic Church doesn’t tell its members what to believe in this area.
5. Christ himself said there would be those who thought “faith” would be all they needed, and He would say to them, “Get away from me, you accursed”. I suppose there would be various reasons for this, but in context, it mainly seems to be a case of how they treated the “least of these my brothers” or if you like, other people. So strictly speaking, “faith” is only part of the story.
6. I’m a bit of a creationist myself. But Catholics are free to choose their own beliefs on origins (this really relates to point 3).

Of the other 2 points, I also am pro-life (against abortion) and pro-contraception. Apparently 80% of Catholics in the USA use contraceptives I read in a book “Why Be Catholic?”. The Church is flogging a dead horse on this one.

There would be disagreement about gay marriage.

In the end then, the two main differences of opinion centre on Christ and His Mother. Since the two come together, I’d suggest you read the essay, “The Assumption and the Modern World” by Bishop Fulton Sheen, link below.

freerepublic.com/focus/news/2298170/posts

To understand it in context, you’d then need to do a bit of research on Mary’s appearance at Lourdes, her self description as the "Immaculate Conception to St. Bernadette Soubirous, and then you might find St. Bernadette’s incorrupt state a bit startling.

wf-f.org/OurLadyofLourdes.html

From Wikipedia, “Contemporary Catholic interpreters had great difficulties, explaining Bernadette’s claim on the Immaculate Conception, of which she knew nothing. Ecclasiastical authorities tried unsuccessfully to ridicule her statement to that effect as not credible.”

You can see pictures of her here. There are others also. Bear in mind she’s been dead for more than 140 years.

catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/bb_bernadette_body.htm

This is the perfect answer!

This is what I was looking for…Sort of a comparison between what I’ve grown to believe and what Christians believe so I can see where I fall and where I need more study.

I’ve grown feel the way I do about Jesus because of my Jewish influence growing up.As far as Mary…I didn’t even know much about her until I was older.

So naturally since I wasn’t raised as a Christian and really wasn’t raised in a strict Jewish home either…I’ve grown to believe a little of whatever I want from both religions…<—I want to change that.

Thank all of you for your helpful replies