What religion is correct if the Catholic religion isn't? Also, my doubts.

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Church_Militant said:
You sum it all up and actually refute your own beliefs with this statement.

Notice here what the Word of God really says as to how we all will be judged.

Matthew 25:31-46

31: “When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
32: Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats,
33: and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.
34: Then the King will say to those at his right hand, Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35: for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36: I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37: Then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?
38: And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee?
39: And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’
40: And the King will answer them, Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'** 41: Then he will say to those at his left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;
42: for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43: I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
44: Then they also will answer, Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?' **45: Then he will answer them, Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’
46: And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” You say you do nothing for your salvation? I say that you hold an unscriptural belief about it.

Certainly you say your life is changed, (And glory be to God for that!) but to assert that your actions (works) have no effect on your salvation one way or the other is not supported by the Word of God.

I’ve been Baptist, and Assembly of God, and Non-Denominational, and having checked their beliefs against the Word of God as well as the teachings of the Catholic Church, I am now Catholic and there is about a snowball’s chance in hell of that ever changing again. Read my testimony here.
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And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

WOW I bet he would have jumped off that cross and got Baptised he he could.
 
NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5). This Bible makes it plain and simple that good works will not save anyone. Listen to the message of Ephesians 2:8&9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.” How many Scriptures does God need to put in front of our face before we get the idea—salvation is not by merit. “Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW: for BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSITIFIED” (Galatians 2:16). The road to hell is paved with good intentions!!! The plain teaching of the Inspired Word of God is that salvation is NOT BY WORKS. You just read it for yourself.
 
Over and over the Bible proclaims that good deeds CANNOT merit us salvation. Someone needs to tell this to the Pope! He preaches a message of kindness and love but never mentions the name of Jesus Christ. You’ll never hear the Pope speak of the torments of hell. I’ve never heard him speak of being born-again. All the love and kindness in the world will NOT get you into Heaven. Catholicism teaches that a person must practice the “seven sacraments” to obtain Heaven. This of course is a lie of the devil! You do NOT need to be baptized to go to Heaven! You do NOT need to confess your sins to a priest in order to be forgiven. No priest can forgive anyone’s sins!!! You do NOT need to go to confirmation to be saved, no sir! These are lies of the devil. I once witnessed to a Catholic man concerning the Lord Jesus Christ. He said that he believed in “faith AND works.” Though I believe he was sincere, he does NOT understand the Bible very well. Romans 11:6 clarifies this matter, “And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But IF IT BE OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO MORE GRACE: otherwise work is no more work.” If salvation comes by works, then it is NOT by God’s grace anymore. The whole reason that Jesus died on the cross folks is because we could not perform enough good works to get saved. There is NO amount of good deeds that can reconcile us to God. Only through Jesus Christ can anyone be saved. If it were possible for us to get to Heaven by living a good and upright life, then Jesus died for nothing. “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, THEN CHRIST IS DEAD IN VAIN” (Galatians 2:21).
 
Church_Militant said:
You sum it all up and actually refute your own beliefs with this statement.

Notice here what the Word of God really says as to how we all will be judged.

Matthew 25:31-46

31: “When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
32: Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats,
33: and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.
34: Then the King will say to those at his right hand, Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35: for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36: I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37: Then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?
38: And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee?
39: And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’
40: And the King will answer them, Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'** 41: Then he will say to those at his left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;
42: for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43: I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
44: Then they also will answer, Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?' **45: Then he will answer them, Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’
46: And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” You say you do nothing for your salvation? I say that you hold an unscriptural belief about it.

Certainly you say your life is changed, (And glory be to God for that!) but to assert that your actions (works) have no effect on your salvation one way or the other is not supported by the Word of God.

I’ve been Baptist, and Assembly of God, and Non-Denominational, and having checked their beliefs against the Word of God as well as the teachings of the Catholic Church, I am now Catholic and there is about a snowball’s chance in hell of that ever changing again. Read my testimony here.
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I spoke with told me he was a strict Catholic. He said that he believed in “having faith in Christ” but he also said he believed “works were necessary.” He said “I believe in faith and works!” I kindly and quickly pointed out Romans 11:6, “And IF BY GRACE THEN IT IS NO MORE OF WORKS: otherwise grace is no more grace. But IF IT BE OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO MORE GRACE: otherwise work is no more work.” Clearly, salvation is either “BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH” in Jesus Christ alone OR you are doing what Cain did—offering your WORKS to God. It CANNOT BE BOTH! God rejected Cain’s offering and he will reject your efforts as well. Able demonstrated his faith in the coming Savior through a blood sacrifice. God was pleased by his faith. Cain had no faith but misunderstood and tried to please God in his own SINCERE but foolish efforts, just as countless millions do today! Cain went to hell, Able went to heaven!
 
This is why I love being a Christian who practices the Catholic faith. We as Catholics know it is not all or nothing. Baptism is not either symbol **or **a born again experience. It is both. Confession is not to God or a priest. It is both. The Lords Supper is not just breaking bread with others **or **The Body of Christ. It is both. As Catholics we know we are saved by God’s grace and we must work for it. Not one or the other. We believe in it ALL! We are not Cafeteria Christians who make choices on what in the bible to believe. It is not the Church or the Bible it is both. It is full. It is good indeed. I am not Christian **or **Catholic I am both. Like red playdough mixed with yellow. once they are mixed together you can not seperate them. :rolleyes:

Wow I can’t even imagine what it must feel like to read the bible and to have to choose what I believe. No Thank you,I’ll take it all.👍

Q: “Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist.

The Catholic should reply: "As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8),

but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12),

and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).

Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12),

with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."
 
Post #120 from truthnlight is a cut and paste:

jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/license_to_sin.htm

truthnlight, you are NOT speaking the truth if you don’t cite your source and attribute the words to their true author. If you are the person in this link, say so. Others on this board have blogs and websites, and they say, “Please go to my blog and read.”

truthnlight, there are seven things that God hates, according to Proverbs, and one of them is lying. Cite your sources, or don’t post from other websites, even if they are your own.
 
truthnlight-I know you mean well and I appreciate your concern for souls and your testimony of how the Lord has changed your life.

But you just can’t do this, buddy. Even if those cut-and-pastes are from you, you can’t steal from yourself. When you are online, you need to cite your source and give proper credit to the author of your posts, otherwise it’s stealing and lying.

It’s just like high school; when you wrote a term paper, you couldn’t type in long passages of text from another source, even if it was from your own termpaper. You were required to insert footnotes and cite your sources (e.g., "My Term Paper, pp. 21-22, 1974, by Me Myself)

Please, post links to your articles and let us check them out for ourselves. You willl agree with me that there are a lot of cults. We need to see not only your articles, but the website that they are posted on so that we can decide whether that site is cultic or not.

I wish you would stick with your own personal testimony and comments rather than cut-and-pasting long columns of text. You sound very sincere and loving, and those personal posts come across a lot better than those cut-and-paste tomes of theology. If you were with real people, you wouldn’t hand them a long pamphlet and say, “Here, read this.” You would TALK with them.

Well, we are real people, and we would like to talk. If you want to link us to a paper and say, “Check this out,” that’s fine. But in these posts, I would rather chat and hear your personal comments rather than read your term papers on various subjects.

Thanks.
 
truthnlight said:
Over and over the Bible proclaims that good deeds CANNOT merit us salvation.
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We Catholics also believe this. Nevertheless, good deeds are the essence of the Christian life here in this world.
Someone needs to tell this to the Pope! He preaches a message of kindness and love but never mentions the name of Jesus Christ. You’ll never hear the Pope speak of the torments of hell. I’ve never heard him speak of being born-again.
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Obviously, you have not read anything that the Pope has written, nor listened to any of his speeches, if you have not heard or read any of this. On the contrary, he is continually harping on all of these things.

With regard to the rest of your message - God can save anyone He wishes to save, of course, and even the most hardened sinner can be saved at the moment of death should he so choose - but the ordinary means of salvation is membership and participation in the Church that Christ Himself founded, the Roman Catholic Church (in all of its Rites) and the ordinary means of grace is the Sacraments of that same Catholic Church.

If you heard that we are required to partake of all seven Sacraments in order to be saved, then you heard wrong, since this would be physically impossible for all but a very few - however, participation in those Sacraments that pertain to our state in life is the ordinary means of grace.

Again, God can perform any miracle at any time - the questions are, how regularly does He do so (since we rarely see Him performing other kinds of miracles, either), and would He do so for those who have already rejected the ordinary means of salvation? Remember Naaman the leper.
 
I think salvation is up to God and I can never say if any one is going to hell. I love you all Its from the heart. I love you Lord Jesus and thank you with all my heart. ps I love Mary also I just dont pray to Her.

KJV 1611
Luke.25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;

40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.<-----------Douay-Rheims Bible 👍
 
I spoke with told me he was a strict Catholic. He said that he believed in “having faith in Christ”…
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Truth

Since cat already showed you that this was a cut and paste, YOU have never talked to a Catholic who said this to you have you? Do you make it a habit of being untruthful during your witness?

What does the bible say about bearing false witness? :eek:

I asked in another thread; which you left unanswered, so I will repeat it:

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

God bless
 
The Bible whether full of Jewish “myths and folklore” is not supposed to be taken literally.

It is inspired by God. God inspired the writers to present something that was written in His Spirit.

So even if Goliath was a little shorter and the serpent was a symbol for some huge empire that tempted the original family from the True God, we know that the “myth” holds a value that is fullfilled in Christ.

Now, the question is, why should we believe the dogma that the Bible is divinely inspired? Jesus gave the Church the power to make these claims when Jesus passed on the binding and loosing powers to Peter.

Pray more. Ask Mary to help. Be patient. If you’re not patient, ask the Lord for patient. If you have doubts, ask the Lord for faith, and as Paul says “Take your thoughts captive.”

Modern philosophy and psychology tries to make us go with feeling all the time, or with whatever idea springs to our head. But when Christ is the compass, and his Church is the map, we can direct our thinking to being Christlike. Not as in a cult of brainwashed people, but as someone who is charitable, and gives himself to others because he desires to give himself to Christ and His Church.

God bless
Aaron
 
Consider the Mormon church. I recognize if you have loyal belief in Catholicism, nothing else matters.

I looked into the Mormon church years ago and joined. Now you may be asking why would I be commenting about this question – the question is what I was trying to find about at the time years ago.
 
Belvuelife posted;
looked into the Mormon church years ago and joined. Now you may be asking why would I be commenting about this question – the question is what I was trying to find about at the time years ago.
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I know nothing about hte Morman Church except for what I have read here.

Some years ago when I was at Mass, two Mormans went door knocking. They knocked on my door. My wife was at home caring for our daughter who was weeks old [normally she went to Mass with me].

She explained politely that we were Catholics and did not need their missionary zeal. When the senior of the two heard that we were Catholics, he told her that ‘he was there to save life but as we were Catholic, we were already dead’!. There was no hope for Catholics:!

My wife took years to get over the promise that she was already dead. It affected her health and she stopped going to Mass. Though not Catholic, up until that point she had been a regular Mass attender and was on her way to Rome. We must forgive but I hold such contempt for those Mormans that I would rather deal with the devil than have any future dialogue with Mormans
 
bellevuelife said:
Consider the Mormon church. I recognize if you have loyal belief in Catholicism, nothing else matters.

I looked into the Mormon church years ago and joined. Now you may be asking why would I be commenting about this question – the question is what I was trying to find about at the time years ago.
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i’d be interested in reading a thread on your testimony if you made one…
 
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