What Rush just said about the Catholic Church

[buffalo]

rlg94086:
Originally Posted by Brad
*Instead of obsuscating with question after question, can we not agree that teaching:

1. 10 commandments - If taught as an example of religious belief…sure.
2. God created the world - ditto the above comment.
3. Sex is for marriage - no problem whatsoever. This can be considered a cultural ideal value, irrespective of religion.
4. We were made in the image and likeness of God - again, if taught as an example of what the majority of us believe.

Would be ok???*

So what Catholics believe is not the Truth? and should not be taught unless others believe it too? See the problem?

 

[Richardols]

buffalo:

So what Catholics believe is not the Truth?

No, we believe that what we believe theologically is the Truth. No problem there.

and should not be taught unless others believe it too?

It should be taught in our venues, not in a venue where others do not believe it to be the Truth. Otherwise we are evangelizing - a good thing - but not in public school.

 

[Richardols]

buffalo:

The pursuit of truth should be the only purpose of education, where ever it takes us, in a public school or not.

So I have an idea.

New names for schools

Public School - School of Lowest Common Truths and non -truths

Catholic School - School of Highest Truths

Give your kid the choice to attend one or the other. What do you think he would pick and why?

How about a new name for a school: School Teaching Lots of Neat and Interesting Things Letting Students Have a Great Time While Learning?

Give you kid a choice. Now, which school do you think he’d pick?

 

[Les_Richardson]

Windmill:

I always find it interesting to go to the end of one of htese mega-threads. 9 times out of 10 the conversation is no longer anywhere near what the title declares.

Yes, but ain’t it fun. Fascinating discussion about education here.

 

[Les_Richardson]

Richardols,

Your arguments are cogent. By the way, you are doing a marvellous job of swordsmanship here in, as Rush would put it, the arena of ideas. I don’t always or even often agree with you, but as I said above, it is fun to watch.

We do have an example of how your school model does work. The Protestants have sent their kids to public schools for years, where they heard all manner of secularist anti-religious propaganda, progressively so. Yet, it is a common that Catholics will note that in debating a Protestant over theology, that the Protestant is more often than not well versed in Scripture. How did that happen? A lot of focus on learning the faith at home and church.

I’m not recommending going to that model as I think you are, but it does highlight a weakness in the Catholic school system, to the extent that Catholics are graduating poorly educated in their own faith. This is a common complaint is it not?

What a missed golden opportunity.

 

[Monarchy]

Brad:

The Supreme Court is wrongly named. They are not supreme. They must be obedient to divine law or their law is null and void.

Not According to The Constitution of the United States.

 

[Brad]

Monarchy:

Not According to The Constitution of the United States.

Which part? Quote please?

 

[Brad]

Richardols:

No, we believe that what we believe theologically is the Truth. No problem there.

It should be taught in our venues, not in a venue where others do not believe it to be the Truth. Otherwise we are evangelizing - a good thing - but not in public school.

If you cannot agree that those 4 fundamental things SHOULD be taught in schools as how to live, then I seriously question your committment to and belief in the faith.

Those 4 items would only benefit any society that learns them. It is the lack of these 4 items that is the root of most of our societal problems. Yet you do not maintain the courage to suggest that those 4 things should be taught as true, even though you claim that Christ rose from the dead and is God of the universe and that it is only through Him that eternal salvation comes.

So what is a good thing to learn in a public school? Only those things that everyone is agreeable to? Many are not agreeable to Darwinism being taught yet it still is. Many don’t like their English teacher and her assignments but they still have to go to and pass the class. It’s not about teaching what everybody likes. It is about teaching what is true. Why would you want children to get an education built on sand when you know the correct education is built on rock?

 

[Monarchy]

Brad:

Which part? Quote please?

There is no where in the constitution where it says what you claimed, that "The Supreme Court is wrongly named. They are not supreme. They must be obedient to divine law or their law is null and void." The constitution is the basis of law in the US. Not God or the bible. If it were Freedom of Religion would be gone. That whole "thou shall have no other God’s before me’ thing.

 

[Brad]

Monarchy:

There is no where in the constitution where it says what you claimed, that "The Supreme Court is wrongly named. They are not supreme. They must be obedient to divine law or their law is null and void." The constitution is the basis of law in the US. Not God or the bible. If it were Freedom of Religion would be gone. That whole "thou shall have no other God’s before me’ thing.

I didn’t say the Constitution said what I said. I said what I said because it is true. The Founding Fathers also understood clearly that law comes from the divine which is why judges’ oaths always reflected this and why the 10 commandments hang out at places like the Supreme Court and why witnesses swear on the Bible.

The Founding Fathers understood clearly that this system would not work if run by people that did not honor God as the source of our freedoms and our laws.

The Constitution is the basis of laws but it does not say the judges are free to add to it or revise what it says as they see fit, nor does it say that judges are free to make law.

 

[Monarchy]

Brad:

I didn’t say the Constitution said what I said. I said what I said because it is true. The Founding Fathers also understood clearly that law comes from the divine which is why judges’ oaths always reflected this and why the 10 commandments hang out at places like the Supreme Court and why witnesses swear on the Bible.

The Founding Fathers understood clearly that this system would not work if run by people that did not honor God as the source of our freedoms and our laws.

The Constitution is the basis of laws but it does not say the judges are free to add to it or revise what it says as they see fit, nor does it say that judges are free to make law.

Most of the founding fathers where diests, and when talking about the almighty, did not mean it in the way you propose.

And how do judges make laws?

 

[buffalo]

Richardols:

No, we believe that what we believe theologically is the Truth. No problem there.

It should be taught in our venues, not in a venue where others do not believe it to be the Truth. Otherwise we are evangelizing - a good thing - but not in public school.

I have no conflict with evangelizing / teaching the truth to students.

 

[buffalo]

Brad:

If you cannot agree that those 4 fundamental things SHOULD be taught in schools as how to live, then I seriously question your committment to and belief in the faith.

Those 4 items would only benefit any society that learns them. It is the lack of these 4 items that is the root of most of our societal problems. Yet you do not maintain the courage to suggest that those 4 things should be taught as true, even though you claim that Christ rose from the dead and is God of the universe and that it is only through Him that eternal salvation comes.

So what is a good thing to learn in a public school? Only those things that everyone is agreeable to? Many are not agreeable to Darwinism being taught yet it still is. Many don’t like their English teacher and her assignments but they still have to go to and pass the class. It’s not about teaching what everybody likes. It is about teaching what is true. Why would you want children to get an education built on sand when you know the correct education is built on rock?

How about this name for a school - the school of the lowest common denominator. (I think I heard it called dumbing down))

 

[Brad]

Monarchy:

Most of the founding fathers where diests, and when talking about the almighty, did not mean it in the way you propose.

And how do judges make laws?

This is just incorrect. There were a couple deists and the rest were unabashed Christians. Don’t buy the brainwashing of today’s secular education that thinks that Jefferson and Franklin were the only founding fathers. Get the facts. There are links on this thread that show the truth.

Judges make laws by deciding which laws are good (in the judges eyes) and which laws are bad. The ones that are bad get discarded as unconstitutional or get sent back to the legislature for modification according to the judge’s wishes.

The legal right to choose to kill the unborn is one prime example of creating law. What they are supposed to do (at the most, and even this idea was created by judges) is review a law to make sure that it is not in violation of the Constitution according to it’s original intent. This is a pretty narrow - in other words, not too many laws decided upon by elected representatives that are voted into office by the people (for whom the Constitution and government exists) should be struck down. However they are struck down with great frequency according to a judge’s cultural or international view. This subjective maneuvering has no basis in our laws or constitution and is akin to creating law.

 

[Brad]

buffalo:

How about this name for a school - the school of the lowest common denominator. (I think I heard it called dumbing down))

Sure. Johnny doesn’t prefer to brush his teeth or take a shower so perhaps it should not be a necessary prerequisite for learning.