What "Sacramentals" are allowable for Protestants?

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2ndGen said:
What items does your Pastor “allow” you to use in worship (oil, altars, water, books, candles, pictures, images, etc…)?
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Oil, altars, water, books, candles, pictures, images, etc…
 
SyCarl said:
With respect to images the Catechism of the Catholic Church confirms that under the Old Testament that images of God could not be made. It indicates that with the incarnation God introduced a new economy of images.

However I see absolutlely no indication in the New Testament of this. With respect to Jesus I am extremely leary of any image being used. We have no idea what Jesus actually looked like while on earth and certainly nothing that shows what He looks like in Heaven. I feel using images of Jesus can fix a conception of what Jesus did look like in our mind. Such a conception would be wrong since we do not know what He looked like. No image from His life on earth is preserved and I think there is a reason for that.
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Not only that, but the Law regarding images is very specific.

For example, we cannot make images of things in the waters “under” the earth, bud doesn’t exclude the waters “above” the earth (such as the ocean).

This freed up Christians to make images of what has come to be known as “Jesus Fish”.

So not all images are “not” allowed, just certain images (if someone was to read the text of that commandment word for word).

Not all icons are “not” allowed (as God Himself showed us with the idol of the Brass Serpent He used and the statues of angels, etc…), just certain images of very specific objects.

And might I add that your leariness on Jesus images is a very admirable trait and a very respectful belief. 👍

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East_Anglican said:
Oil, altars, water, books, candles, pictures, images, etc…
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Hi EA,

I was reading about the number of sacraments that we share. I was pleasantly surprised to say the least.

I think it’s beautiful when a Christian acknowledges and takes advantages of the physical gifts that God has given us…for example; The Holy Eucharist!

“Oil, altars, water, books, candles, pictures, images, etc…” all things God used in The Holy Bible.

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2ndGen said:
Hi EA,

I was reading about the number of sacraments that we share. I was pleasantly surprised to say the least.

I think it’s beautiful when a Christian acknowledges and takes advantages of the physical gifts that God has given us…for example; The Holy Eucharist!

“Oil, altars, water, books, candles, pictures, images, etc…” all things God used in The Holy Bible.

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The number of sacraments we share would be seven

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
 
2ndGen said:
What do you mean by “corporate worship items”? :confused:
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meaning those images were not used in jewish worship. they didn’t touch the statues to remind themselves of anything. they didn’t use images in worship. the images on the ark were only viewed by the high priest once a year (except when being moved, then, it wasn’t the images that were used it was actually the power of God coming forth from the ark) and the ark wasn’t even around at the time of Jesus.
2ndGen said:
And Jesus never defended The Temple with it’s images of angels in it and exclude the images of the angels. Since He didn’t exclude them from His Father’s House and since He stated that not one letter of The Law was done away with, then it must have been in effect during His time (and today as well).
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those images were not in the area where worship took place.
2ndGen said:
Do you have any evidence to support your theory that Jesus Christ “didn’t” use images in worship?
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yes, judaism
2ndGen said:
He was a practicing Jewish Priest after all.
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LOL. ummmmm, Jesus was not a jewish priest. he was not a levite. he did not perform the sacrifices at the temple.

we Christians understand Him as high priest (in the order of melchizadek).

Jesus was referred to as “rabbi” meaning teacher. He was not a priest. LOL
 
2ndGen said:
Anything used for worship that is not used for anything else (e.g. secular uses) is considered a sacramental.
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I have a rosary ring that I sometimes use as a bottle opener or a paint can opener. Is it still a sacramental?
 
2nd,
my proof is a pretty extensive study of jewish worship and knowing many jews and having talked with many rabbis.

rabbi does not mean priest, it means teacher. it’s not the same thing

images were not used in the temple worship. read anything from jewish sources about what temple worship entailed and you’ll see this.

i am not against sacramentals. i have argues for images, icons, relics, etc. on many threads in here. i was simply pointing out the fact that Jesus did not use images in worship because that is foreign to jewish worship.

i find it interesting that you are catholic and are demanding scripture as proof. the commandment against making any image of heavenly things or earthly things is pretty self-explanatory in judaism. the angels you are referring to were not in the worship area of the temple. there were many sections of the temple.

so, in recap:
rabbie does not equal priest. Jesus wasn’t a priest.
images were not used in temple worship according jewish sources and traditions.
i like sacramentals.
catholics don’t only use the bible to prove things and neither do many protestants.
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my source is judaism. search anything on judaism.

have you ever been in a synagogue??

have you studied anything on the temple?? (besides taking certain verses out of context and not looking at how jews interpret them).

i did cite sources, just not what you wanted. my sources involve you actually having to do your homework.

no images in the worship area of the temple. they don’t exist in judaism.

i like images though, they are great reminders.
 
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