What saints can the Catholic Orientals Venerate?

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Can you venerate St. Tekla Heyamanout? Can you Venerate Severus of Antioch? Can you Venerate Dioscorus, Timothy Aeleurus, Peter the Iberian etc.?

If our Christologies are both different expressions of one Orthodox faith, then both sides insults were through zeal for legitimate Orthodoxy.

So now what? Whom may we venerate?
 
As a Catholic, I personally venerate all the Oriental Orthodox saints that I venerated when I was not Catholic. I am not aware that the Catholic Church has placed a canonical limit on who we can venerate privately. I think your question is somewhat invalid, for it seems to assume otherwise. The very practice of the cultus of saints has always been a “grass roots” movement. In fact, canonizations have always been a response to the spirituality of the lay Church.

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Marduk
 
Leo_The_Great said:
If our Christologies are both different expressions of one Orthodox faith…
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It’s this kind of muddy nonsense that pushed me away from the Vatican. At the end of the day, the only theology that really matters is the one that puts you in submission to Rome. The rest is considered semantics at this point. :rolleyes:
 
Alveus_Lacuna said:
It’s this kind of muddy nonsense that pushed me away from the Vatican. At the end of the day, the only theology that really matters is the one that puts you in submission to Rome. The rest is considered semantics at this point. :rolleyes:
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Ah yes the old spectre of “submission.”

I didn’t realize any Early Church Fathers saw Communion with Rome as submission…:rolleyes:

But as for the OP, I guess I would have some trouble venerating a Saint that might have been very vocal about disagreeing, or not accepting Dogmas of the Roman Church. Now, I know I will get jumped all over for saying that:rolleyes:. I’m NOT saying any of those Saints did, I am just giving my personal opinion. I’m not sure what the Catholic Church has to say about this issue though.
 
I imagine most of these Oriental saints (if not all of them) are venerated considering that St. Palamas and St. Photios are venerated in the Greek Catholic Churches.
 
Pakesh said:
Ah yes the old spectre of “submission.”

I didn’t realize any Early Church Fathers saw Communion with Rome as submission…:rolleyes:
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They didn’t, but then again at that point in Church history Rome wasn’t making proclamations that were understood to be dogmatically binding for all Christians throughout the universe. When one throne gets to tell the others what they believe, it is precisely submission.

The Oecumenical Councils are universally binding. Rome was a part of those councils, and that’s how it worked for the “Early Church Fathers.”

But this is the wrong thread for this discussion. Forgive me for taking it off track, I was just put off by the fuzzy hugs about Christological differences.
 
Pakesh said:
But as for the OP, I guess I would have some trouble venerating a Saint that might have been very vocal about disagreeing, or not accepting Dogmas of the Roman Church.
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Same here. All that we know of the obstinate Dioscorus and Severus, who were both condemned by multiple Ecumenical Councils, indicates that they fail the litmus test of saintliness with respect to both of the following aspects of the dogma of no salvation outside the Church:
(1) No one who knowingly and deliberately refuses to enter into visible communion with the Catholic Church before death can be saved [Denzinger catecheticsonline.com - ]247, 423, 430, 468-469, 570b, 714].
(2) Some people who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Catholic Church and do not enter into visible communion with her during their lifetime can be saved if they at least implicitly desire baptism, sincerely seek truth, do the will of God to the best of their ability, are in good faith, and have perfect charity [Denzinger catecheticsonline.com - ]1647-1648, 1677-1678].
 
Lutheranteach said:
People are asian, rugs are oriental.
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That particular bit of political correctness does not apply here. In the context of what is being discussed, the word “Oriental” is used by the Church for specific reasons, none of which have anything to do with the Pacific Rim.
 
Leo_The_Great said:
Can you venerate St. Tekla Heyamanout? Can you Venerate Severus of Antioch? Can you Venerate Dioscorus, Timothy Aeleurus, Peter the Iberian etc.?

If our Christologies are both different expressions of one Orthodox faith, then both sides insults were through zeal for legitimate Orthodoxy.

So now what? Whom may we venerate?
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I believe Catholics of whatever Rite— Byzantine Rite, Latin Rite, Melkite Greek Rite— can venerate any saints of other Rites— afterall the Holy Mother Church recognizes all of them.
 
Matariel said:
I believe Catholics of whatever Rite— Byzantine Rite, Latin Rite, Melkite Greek Rite— can venerate any saints of other Rites— afterall the Holy Mother Church recognizes all of them.
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Yes, that’s true, but Severus and Dioscorus, e.g., are a bit complicated. They are commemorated on the OO calendars but not, AFAIK, on the OC calendars. Private devotion, OTOH, is a different matter.
 
This discussion brings to mind a thought. Severus presents an interesting picture. Whether he was hetrodox or not remains a question, (probably not in fact, but probably so in expression), but he was certainly political. The expression, at least, of his theological position went with the prevailing wind. In the end, it seems to me that Sevarus’ main interest was Sevarus.
 
Alveus_Lacuna said:
But this is the wrong thread for this discussion. Forgive me for taking it off track, I was just put off by the fuzzy hugs about Christological differences.
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That’s okay, I am guilty too! Just couldn’t let that “pass.”🙂
Thanks, and sorry for getting off topic!
 
malphono said:
That particular bit of political correctness does not apply here. In the context of what is being discussed, the word “Oriental” is used by the Church for specific reasons, none of which have anything to do with the Pacific Rim.
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Thank you for having the guts to correct that!:clapping:
 
malphono said:
Yes, that’s true, but Severus and Dioscorus, e.g., are a bit complicated. They are commemorated on the OO calendars but not, AFAIK, on the OC calendars. Private devotion, OTOH, is a different matter.
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I’m sorry, but I do not understand the abbreviations, do you mind spelling it out for me?
 
Matariel said:
I’m sorry, but I do not understand the abbreviations, do you mind spelling it out for me?
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OO = Oriental Orthodox.
AFAIK = As far as I know.
OC = Oriental Catholic.
OTOH = On the other hand.

God bless you and yours!
 
StRaphael said:
OO = Oriental Orthodox.
AFAIK = As far as I know.
OC = Oriental Catholic.
OTOH = On the other hand.

God bless you and yours!
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Thanks. Well I guess the Church doesn’t recognize them, since the Oriental Catholic Rites do not recognize them. 🤷
 
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