What should be done to stop abortion?

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I am studying about abortion at the moment and here are some moral obligations to follow, including the one I mentioned above:
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  1. not to avail of what the law allows.
  2. to seek to persuade others that it is wrong to have an abortion, but to do this by peaceful means (threatening the lives of other people is not only likely to be counter-productive, but is a counter-witness to the claim to respect life, especially as many are likely to be in good faith).
  3. to provide practical ways of helping those liable to think of having abortions and their children.
  4. to promote respect for life at all its stages and in all its forms, eg. through education and forming consciences.
  5. to seek to support pro-life medical professionals, whose daily work is rendered more difficult, whose career prospects may be threatened.
  6. to seek to change the laws. If there is no realistic possibility of abrogating this unjust law altogether, Catholic and other M.P.s may support an amendment to the law which restricts the number of abortions permitted, provided that they have made known their clear opposition to abortion at all stages and avoid giving scandal (Evangelium vitae, n. 73).
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they may seem obvious, but if we all followed them, especially the one about helping those who are unable to support children financially, then it may make a difference.

God bless,

Nick
 
estesbob said:
It only applies when the politicians opponent is more pro-abortion than he is. No issue or a combination of issues Trump abortion. You cannot vote for a politician because you like is stand on the war, the death penalty, welfare, etc. when he supports abortion on demand unless, again, his opponent is more pro-abortion than he .
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I am not sure what you mean. As far as I can see, John Paul II is simply saying that it is morally upright for a politician to vote for a lower term abortion law as a means of limiting the evil done. He doesn’t have to be pro-abortion at all to do this. It may appear that he is supporting abortion, but if he made clear his intentions and his stance, as he should, then that would be cleared up. The reason I mentioned it was that it is easy to see all politician who vote for abortion as pro-choice, when this shows that they are not.
 
My questions and concerns about abortion have lately been in concern of the mothers who feel they have no other alternative. They may be living at poverty level, they may have so many childen that one more will be one too many, as they see it. They may not have financial support from family, husband, boyfriend.

The one way I see that could possibly stop abortion is to make the idea of having that baby more attractive instead of seeing it as a punishment. These women with no hope need to be shown there is hope, hope through organizations and individuals that promise support, both monetary and spiritual.

Does Birthright have a political lobby in Washington? If not, this organization and others like it need for us to support them as best we can with action, either physically, or monetarily in order to get a voice in Washington. I get a lot of flyers in the mail for donations from many organizations I have never received one from either Birthright, or Right to Life for a donation. Neither have I ever seen a billboard along a highway defending the right to life for an infant. Why are these, or other pro life organzations, keeping their light under a bushel basket? Money is power and they need more power to make themselves heard. If these groups are not politically inclined, then groups that would be need to be established.

Yes, it is good to become involved in whatever small way we can at the church, neighborhood, comminity levels, but this is not going to get laws changed.

We need a way to make Washington sit up and take notice of us who hold the sacredness of life so dear.

What say you?
 
Pray and fast in large numbers, asking God to step in and stop it.
 
elts1956 said:
My questions and concerns about abortion have lately been in concern of the mothers who feel they have no other alternative. They may be living at poverty level, they may have so many childen that one more will be one too many, as they see it. They may not have financial support from family, husband, boyfriend.

The one way I see that could possibly stop abortion is to make the idea of having that baby more attractive instead of seeing it as a punishment. These women with no hope need to be shown there is hope, hope through organizations and individuals that promise support, both monetary and spiritual.

Does Birthright have a political lobby in Washington? If not, this organization and others like it need for us to support them as best we can with action, either physically, or monetarily in order to get a voice in Washington. I get a lot of flyers in the mail for donations from many organizations I have never received one from either Birthright, or Right to Life for a donation. Neither have I ever seen a billboard along a highway defending the right to life for an infant. Why are these, or other pro life organzations, keeping their light under a bushel basket? Money is power and they need more power to make themselves heard. If these groups are not politically inclined, then groups that would be need to be established.

Yes, it is good to become involved in whatever small way we can at the church, neighborhood, comminity levels, but this is not going to get laws changed.

We need a way to make Washington sit up and take notice of us who hold the sacredness of life so dear.

What say you?
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See, that’s what I’m talking about!
I see this issue through the eyes of an economist - there’s supply and there’s demand.
We know WHAT we need to do to limit supply (of clinics) and I know Right to Life and other organizations are hard at work trying to do that, but we also need to limit the demand side.
And I think you hit the nail on the head - make the idea of having the baby more attractive. And I do wonder HOW to to about doing that.
In Michigan, you do have to have an ultrasound before receiving an abortion. I had heard about those mobile clinics with 3D ultrasounds, I will look into those.
But, yes, I do wonder how to make having the baby easier on the woman, since it is ultimately her that makes the decision.
 
rwillenborg said:
… I see this issue through the eyes of an economist - there’s supply and there’s demand.
We know WHAT we need to do to limit supply (of clinics) and I know Right to Life and other organizations are hard at work trying to do that, but we also need to limit the demand side.
And I think you hit the nail on the head - make the idea of having the baby more attractive. And I do wonder HOW to to about doing that…
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At first I wanted to answer your post with, “This is a moral problem, not an economic problem!” But you do have a good point, there is an economic side to this. If there is less demand for abortion, then, of course, the supply of abortions will shrivel, i.e., abortion clinics will close from lack of customers, and fewer doctors will provides abortions.

‘HOW’, and I’m glad you capitalized it, is the big question. The first step is prayer, of course. Everyone can be involved in that, even pro-choice people who recognize the fact that we have far too many abortions. Next, we must stand firm and reasonable in our opposition. By reasonable I mean that we must apply logic and reason for our opposition and never waiver. And, last, but certainly not least, as many of us as possible need to be activist and willing to publicly stand against the opposition.
 
RWMorris said:
At first I wanted to answer your post with, “This is a moral problem, not an economic problem!” But you do have a good point, there is an economic side to this. If there is less demand for abortion, then, of course, the supply of abortions will shrivel, i.e., abortion clinics will close from lack of customers, and fewer doctors will provides abortions.

‘HOW’, and I’m glad you capitalized it, is the big question. The first step is prayer, of course. Everyone can be involved in that, even pro-choice people who recognize the fact that we have far too many abortions. Next, we must stand firm and reasonable in our opposition. By reasonable I mean that we must apply logic and reason for our opposition and never waiver. And, last, but certainly not least, as many of us as possible need to be activist and willing to publicly stand against the opposition.
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The young people going through medical school are refusing to become abortionists, based upon ethical reasons. I found several news stories about it online.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
The young people going through medical school are refusing to become abortionists, based upon ethical reasons. I found several news stories about it online.
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Wonderful news; just proves that if we publicly stand on reason and logic, and not be ashamed of our Faith, the tide will slowly turn.

I forgot to add a 4th step to HOW we can affect changes in abortion practices. Use our votes. Try, and this may be very difficult in certain races, to vote pro-life in as many election races as possible regardless of the other political views of specific candidates. A child’s life is depending on us.
 
RWMorris said:
Wonderful news; just proves that if we publicly stand on reason and logic, and not be ashamed of our Faith, the tide will slowly turn.

I forgot to add a 4th step to HOW we can affect changes in abortion practices. Use our votes. Try, and this may be very difficult in certain races, to vote pro-life in as many election races as possible regardless of the other political views of specific candidates. A child’s life is depending on us.
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Operation Rescue has been very sucessful in getting abortion mills shut down. All they have to do is find something illegal that is being done by someone running an abortion mill, report it, and the law steps in. I’m on their e-mail newsletter mailing list, and they report about abortionmills being closed a lot.
 
rwillenborg said:
I drive by a Planned Parenthood and often see people praying the rosary outside. Does that actually work? Do women not get abortions because of that?
What do you think would stop women from getting an abortion? I don’t mean some general idea of what is wrong with society, but what real, concrete tangible actions actually stop women from aborting their babies? Has any organization ever polled women who were initally planning on having an abortion but didn’t?

I’ve been thinking lately that I really would like to get involved with pro-life work, but I wonder if the methods they are using are even making a difference and I would like for what I do to have an impact.
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More change has been wrought in this world through praying the rosary than has ever been by political activism.

The proper approach to assessing effectiveness is: not how many abortions are being committed everyday, but how many babies are being born whose mothers’ initial thought was to have an abortion.

Sure it would help to have studies and polls but it’s important to:
  1. realize the real, tangible effect of prayer in making our world less evil than it otherwise might be
and
  1. realize that few, if any sins, are ever going to be completely eliminated before Christ returns, but their persistence doesn’t mean that our efforts have failed.
It’s important not to be fatalistic. Even one abortion is too many, but that should not negate in our eyes, the successes - the lives that have been saved.

I’ve seen prayer change the logical/expected outcome of past events…there is nothing prayer cannot do.

Everybody can do his or her part against abortion and it doesn’t necessarily have to be outside an abortion clinic.

Just by keeping the debate going about abortion, a stigma remains associated with the procedure. Even that is an achievement, which holds back some who might otherwise be tempted.
 
rwillenborg said:
See, that’s what I’m talking about!
I see this issue through the eyes of an economist - there’s supply and there’s demand.
We know WHAT we need to do to limit supply (of clinics) and I know Right to Life and other organizations are hard at work trying to do that, but we also need to limit the demand side.
And I think you hit the nail on the head - make the idea of having the baby more attractive. And I do wonder HOW to to about doing that.
In Michigan, you do have to have an ultrasound before receiving an abortion. I had heard about those mobile clinics with 3D ultrasounds, I will look into those.
But, yes, I do wonder how to make having the baby easier on the woman, since it is ultimately her that makes the decision.
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That is a good idea. We need to do some barn storming to get ideas on how we can get the “powers that be” understand that we as a group are anti-abortion whether one is Catholic, or Protestant. Surely there are some pro-life politicians out there who are on a “life” platform who we could discuss this with. Any ideas?
 
elts1956 said:
That is a good idea. We need to do some barn storming to get ideas on how we can get the “powers that be” understand that we as a group are anti-abortion whether one is Catholic, or Protestant. Surely there are some pro-life politicians out there who are on a “life” platform who we could discuss this with. Any ideas?
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Start a mailing campaign immediately. Contact pro-life politicians in every state.
 
Having read only the first post, I give this answer. All it would take is for Catholics to vote as Catholics. Vote against all 5 of the Non-Negotiables which we teach. Believe me, if we did, politicians would look up and start listening to their constituents.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Having read only the first post, I give this answer. All it would take is for Catholics to vote as Catholics. Vote against all 5 of the Non-Negotiables which we teach. Believe me, if we did, politicians would look up and start listening to their constituents.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
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Without a doubt. Catholics should ask themselves a simple question “does my faith form my politics or does my politcs form my faith”.
 
estesbob said:
Without a doubt. Catholics should ask themselves a simple question “does my faith form my politics or does my politics form my faith”.
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I had not heard it put this way before, but it sure applies.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Al_Masetti said:
Two more pro-life justices on the Supreme Court.

And the Democrats won’t put them there.

The only way is to elect an overwhelmingly Conservative / Republican Senate. It has to be absolutely overwhelming in numbers … a super super majority to overcome the pro-abortion votes of the Rino’s.

That means that all Catholic voters have to vote Republican. Instead of half of the Catholic voters voting for “pro-choice” Democrats.
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According to someone or other on the radio today (Jed or Jeb Babbin … never heard him before), as many as FIVE of the Supreme Court justices could be named by the next president.

So, it is even MORE important to vote for a pro-life candidate for president and even MORE important to have an overwhelming majority of pro-life people in the U.S. Senate.
 
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