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why_me
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Not four years ago when the economy was booming. I only heard, spend, spend spend. The lds counsel was right on the money.
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why_me
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The mormon leadership was saying for many years that pornography was addictive and a destroyer of family life. Long before it was proven true. And warning about pornography is prophesy, especially to those who did not listen and who are now divorced because of it.
And debt, likewise. Now many mormons do not listen to the prophet in this regard. And trouble ensues. But the counsel was there. Likewise for family home evening on a monday night. I hear this repeated by other faiths now.
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tundramom
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You’re kidding, right? Who else were you listening to? The Liberal Media?
My priest counseled all of us not to spend
:aok: beyond our means. Not to get into credit card debt, etc. In fact, we held a Bible study published by Crown Financial that helped all of us couples who attended keep our debt down to the point that when the crisis came, 4 years later (about) we were affected very little.
oh and Crown Financial? It’s a Protestant organization.
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LilyM
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Exactly! Being debt free (as far as possible, it’s implied in our duty to be good stewards of our resources) and not partaking of pornography because it is a sin against the commandments as well as detrimental to the sacrament of marriage - well both of those have been Catholic teaching since well before Joseph Smith’s time, for sure!
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ibkc
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Will you please give it up? Pornography was not invented in the last 50 years and Mormons were not the first/only to condemn it. Pornography has been around as long as humanity has had consciousness. And people have been warning against it for that long, too.
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twopekinguys
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The US Government was warning against pornography for years also. Does that make them prophets? I don’t think so!!
Larry Flynt of Hustler magazine was shot in 1978 outside of a courthouse during a “pornography” trial. Was the gunman a Prophet?
As far as being in debt, that is an issue that goes back to the very early days of the bible. Now those people are/were prophets. It’s just a shame it took the LDS leadership so long to figure that out.
Look at Sirach 8:13, “Go not surety beyond your means; think any pledge a debt you must pay.”
What it boils down to is acutally very simple. Repeating a warning given by someone earlier, and that coming true, is no prophesy.
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zaffiroborant
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You heard that in church?
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jblake
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twopekinguys;:
debt.
If you read the writings of the early leaders of the Latter Day Saints
– not just the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but also the schisms – they cautioned about borrowing money for any reason. The import is clear— indebtedness is a disqualifying factor in obtaining salvation.
jonathon
Joseph Smith, and his spiritual heirs have always spoken against
debt.
If you read the writings of the early leaders of the Latter Day Saints
– not just the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but also the schisms – they cautioned about borrowing money for any reason. The import is clear— indebtedness is a disqualifying factor in obtaining salvation.
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zaffiroborant
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So no salvation for folks with a mortgage?
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twopekinguys
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I hate to point out the obvious, but indebtedness was already covered in many aspects in the Bible.
Therefore, smith and his followers were not bringing anything new in the way of prophesy. Credit for fulfillment of the prophesy should go to those mentioned in the Bible.
Canonized bible 300-400 AD—smith and the bom, mid 1800s. Not bad, it only took them about 1400 years to climb on the bandwagon.
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jblake
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zaffiroborant;:
For all practical purposes — for the LDS branch of Joseph Smith’s spiritual descendants — if one’s debts exceed one’s assets, then one won’t get into Heaven. (I’ve misplaced my LDS material, otherwise I’d provide the quotes, and definitions,the latter of which are crucial for groking how and why LDS is anti-Christian.)
jonathon
The LDS definition of “salvation” differs from that of the Community of Christ, both of which differ from that of Orthodox Christianity, Protestant Christianity, and Catholic Christianity.
For all practical purposes — for the LDS branch of Joseph Smith’s spiritual descendants — if one’s debts exceed one’s assets, then one won’t get into Heaven. (I’ve misplaced my LDS material, otherwise I’d provide the quotes, and definitions,the latter of which are crucial for groking how and why LDS is anti-Christian.)
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jblake
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twopekinguys;:
I’ve been listening to that Testament, whilst reading my email. Forensically, the author knew that what they were writing was false, but had a pathalogical need to convince others that it was not false.
jonathon
You’ve forgotten the Third Testament — the one about Jesus in America. The one that Catholics have yet to accept as canonical.
I’ve been listening to that Testament, whilst reading my email. Forensically, the author knew that what they were writing was false, but had a pathalogical need to convince others that it was not false.
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twopekinguys
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I haven’t forgotten anything. There is no “third testament”. By the way, it isn’t just Catholics who don’ trecognize what you are calling a third testament.
Even if there was another testament, repeating someone elses prophesy doesn’t make it theirs.
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dianaiad
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