What should I expect at a Mormon church service?

[Paul_G]

Where does the notion of using water come from for the sacrament?
To me, it looks like a an excuse not to use wine.

Initially wine was used, but after threats of poisoning the wine by those opposed to the Church, water was substituted.

Paul

 

[tundramom]

So what is the last “prophecy” the last prophet of the LDS church said?

Any prophecies since BY? hmmm I’m trying to remember. If the Mormons have a living “prophet” then what are his prophecies?

in Christ
Steph

 

[ibkc]

Initially wine was used, but after threats of poisoning the wine by those opposed to the Church, water was substituted.

If wine can be poisoned, why can’t water?

 

[Paul_G]

If wine can be poisoned, why can’t water?

I guess you can poison anything, but I think you would agree that it would be easier to know where your water came from, as compared to who handles your bottles of wine.

Paul

 

[why_me]

So what is the last “prophecy” the last prophet of the LDS church said?

Any prophecies since BY? hmmm I’m trying to remember. If the Mormons have a living “prophet” then what are his prophecies?

in Christ
Steph

The counsel of the lds leadership has been to stay out of debt. I remember hearing that counsel before the financial crunch. That prophecy came true. Also, long before it became fashionable, the lds church spoke out against pornography because they claimed that it was addictive and it would destroy families. That also came true for many.

 

[truthsilence]

The counsel of the lds leadership has been to stay out of debt. I remember hearing that counsel before the financial crunch. That prophecy came true. Also, long before it became fashionable, the lds church spoke out against pornography because they claimed that it was addictive and it would destroy families. That also came true for many.

Both of these examples are, seriously, no-brainers. I’m no prophet and I could have told you the same thing.

 

[FCEGM]

If wine can be poisoned, why can’t water?

Indeed. And how much more important (and more courageous) to do what the Lord did rather than be fearful of what someone else might do.

 

[dianaiad]

Both of these examples are, seriously, no-brainers. I’m no prophet and I could have told you the same thing.

Except of course that nobody did.

So it’s a ‘no-brainer’ in hindsite–but most prophecies are.

Question: how much ‘fortelling of the future’ did the NT prophets (apostles) do? Weren’t their revelations, PUBLIC revelations, about how to deal with the church at the time? All the letters written, all the ‘real time’ stuff dealing with members of the flock who were going off track in their beliefs?

Indeed, most of God’s dealings with prophets haven’t been predictions of future events; most of them have been information meant to handle their present.

As is it is now.

Get out of debt; year’s supply of food (I have come to understand that this last thing is more about a week’s worth of food for 52 families that didn’t pay attention or are in need than it is about a year’s worth for one family that did pay attention…Katrina and other disasters have proven that one.)

The priesthood extended to all worthy male members; that’s a pretty big one. Other instructions meant to guide the church as it exists today.

(shrug)

y’see, anybody to whom God speaks, with instructions to tell other people about it, is a prophet. That’s the definition of ‘prophet,’ in religious terms.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Get out of debt; year’s supply of food (I have come to understand that this last thing is more about a week’s worth of food for 52 families that didn’t pay attention or are in need than it is about a year’s worth for one family that did pay attention…Katrina and other disasters have proven that one.)

Any food stored in a house that needed it in New Orleans, was flooded. The food was destroyed.

The priesthood extended to all worthy male members; that’s a pretty big one. Other instructions meant to guide the church as it exists today.

lol, that is funny, as no such thing ever existed in the OT or NT. Shrug indeed.

y’see, anybody to whom God speaks, with instructions to tell other people about it, is a prophet. That’s the definition of ‘prophet,’ in religious terms.

Well, then, all of our bishops are prophets under that definition.

Problem with Mormon “prophets” is that they contradict God, repeatedly, as though God were as wishy washy in His desires and instructions as the “all worthy males”…oh wait, that is what the Mormon god is.

 

[dianaiad]

Any food stored in a house that needed it in New Orleans, was flooded. The food was destroyed.

But not all the houses were flooded…and those who had it shared with those who did not. Which was the point.

lol, that is funny, as no such thing ever existed in the OT or NT. Shrug indeed.

modern prophecy. If one is being asked to provide examples of prophets and prophecy today, one cannot dismiss them because you can’t find it in the NT or OT. That’s rather the point, Rebecca, that you won’t find it there. If you could, it wouldn’t be modern.

Well, then, all of our bishops are prophets under that definition.

If they actually receive revelation from God, yeah, they would be.

However, ‘revelation’ refers to the sort of thing that happened to Paul on the road to Damascus…it’s a little bit more specific–and dramatic-- than honest answers to honest prayer.

The latter? Yeah, I think a Catholic Bishop who is faithful, sincere and earnestly seeking to get honest guidance from God in order to fulfill his responsibilities gets that.

But is that revelation?

Not quite.

 

[RebeccaJ]

But not all the houses were flooded…and those who had it shared with those who did not. Which was the point.

Looting grocery stores for food and diapers is not really an indicator of what you are describing. You sound like you are spreading faith promoting rumors to me.

uhm…of course not…that’s why it’s modern prophecy. If one is being asked to provide examples of prophets and prophecy today, one cannot dismiss them because you can’t find it in the NT or OT. That’s rather the point, Rebecca, that you won’t find it there. If you could, it wouldn’t be modern.

And not necessary.

First, by virtue of our baptism, we all share in the Priesthood of our one and only High Priest, Jesus Christ.

So Mormons feel it is necessary to replace Christ with all worthy males I suppose.

Second, there is no indication that God ever revealed such a thing. You have the word of a group of men who were pulling a con and so much that contradicts anything God has ever directed and much that Jesus Christ fulfilled and replaced.

If they actually receive revelation from God, yeah, they would be.

However, ‘revelation’ refers to the sort of thing that happened to Paul on the road to Damascus…it’s a little bit more specific–and dramatic-- than honest answers to honest prayer.

The latter? Yeah, I think a Catholic Bishop who is faithful, sincere and earnestly seeking to get honest guidance from God in order to fulfill his responsibilities gets that.

But is that revelation?

Not quite.

hmmm, this is sad, really, that you believe that God has left us in the dark for hundreds of years. That of course is your error, not ours.

 

[ibkc]

Except of course that nobody did.

Nobody but the “Prophet” of the LDS church counseled against getting into debt and spoke out against pornography. Um, no, sorry. Any Mormon who believes that really needs to get out more.

So it’s a ‘no-brainer’ in hindsite–but most prophecies are.

Warning about debt and against pornography isn’t prophesy. These are things that have plagued humanity since the beginning of civilization.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

Initially wine was used, but after threats of poisoning the wine by those opposed to the Church, water was substituted.

Paul

Only all the more reason to use wine, that is if these were true men of God:
Mk 16:15He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

 

[Paul_G]

Only all the more reason to use wine, that is if these were true men of God:
Mk 16:15He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

A wonderful blessing for missionaries who are at the mercy of the environment and strangers - From a Catholic point of view I’m sure there are many comments that could be made to criticise the LDS use of water instead of wine. However, we have a very different view of what takes place as we receive what we call the sacrament vs. what you called the Holy Communion. We see the elements as symbolic only and not literal, so what is used (wine vs. water) not really too important - For us one is as good as the other.

Paul

 

[dianaiad]

Looting grocery stores for food and diapers is not really an indicator of what you are describing. You sound like you are spreading faith promoting rumors to me.

And you have just accused the Mormons of looting. I would suggest that the ‘rumor spreading’ is not on my side.

As it happens, I can absolutely prove that Mormons who had their year’s supply of food immediately surrounding that area shared that supply with those who needed it.There have been many news reports about the Mormons and the way we handled disaster relief in New Orleans; our very worst enemies can’t criticize us for that. What THEY do is say 'there they go again, trying to ‘earn their way to heaven.’

As a matter of fact, the Mormons had 14 semis loaded and ready to distribute disaster relief supplies before the hurricane hit, and were ready to go before FEMA would allow anyone in. Additional trucks and supplies arrived every day, to the tune of 42,138 days of relief efforts just for Katrina; that’s 115 YEARS of donated time, in just a few weeks. The Mormons rebuilt homes, churches (not just ours…) and worked with the Red Cross to distribute hygiene kits and other supplies.

The fact is, with Katrina we were among the first (though I have no idea who claims to be ‘first.’ ) to arrive.

We donated and personally distributed 70 tons of supplies, and worked, in the tsunami relief.

And we didn’t loot there, either.

youtube.com/watch?v=nOz5pJYyE-I

And not necessary.

Evidently it is necessary, if only to counter comments like those you just made. Perhaps it was inadvertent…I hope it was,but great googly moogly, Rebecca…did you read what you wrote before you sent it?

 

[PJM]

**Hi there,
I’m a Catholic girl, and I will be attending Church with a Mormon friend. I’ve never been to a religious service outside of my own. What are some do’s/don’ts? What should I wear? How different is it from the Catholic mass?

I know it’s a bunch of questions. I’d really appreciate some help.

Thanks!
-Jeanne**

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Re: What should I expect at a Mormon church service?**

Here’s what you will NOT find:blush:

You will not find God, but will find " a god."

You will find Jesus (the angel) but you will not find Jesus Christ Your savior and mine.

You will not find a bible (anyones Chrsitian bible) you will find “The Book of Morman.”

You will not Find a 2000 year old religion founded by Jesus, you will find a religion (Non-Christian) founded by Joseph Smith, in 1830.

You will not find teachings handed down by the 12 Apostles, but you will find 3 books by Mr. Smith who claims to be both a Prophet and an Apostle.

You will not find A Mass or Communion, they do not believe in either.

Our Bible: John 15:16 “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.”

John 14: " 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.”

****My dear friend in Christ, you are putting yourself at unnecessary risk. Mormons are NOT Christian! I pray that you will change your mind. Your going to be exposed to a great many lies, and fabrications. If you didn’t know b4 this post the points I have made, chances are you are not yet well enough informed to defend the One True Faith? Pray, my friend, pray. Your "looking for trouble."

May God grant you wisdom and insight. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT participate in any of their ceremony period. You represent the RCC to a group of unbelieving non-christians! To do so is a serious sin.

 

[ibkc]

You will not find a bible (anyones Chrsitian bible) you will find “The Book of Morman.”

Actually, the LDS do use a version of the KJV, although they consider it flawed and have demoted its importance.

 

[zaffiroborant]

If they actually receive revelation from God, yeah, they would be.

However, ‘revelation’ refers to the sort of thing that happened to Paul on the road to Damascus…it’s a little bit more specific–and dramatic-- than honest answers to honest prayer.

The latter? Yeah, I think a Catholic Bishop who is faithful, sincere and earnestly seeking to get honest guidance from God in order to fulfill his responsibilities gets that.

But is that revelation?

Not quite.

Well GB Hinckley described revelation like this:

*"Gordon B. Hinckley: Now we don’t need a lot of continuing revelation. We have a great, basic reservoir of revelation. But if a problem arises, as it does occasionally, a vexatious thing with which we have to deal, we go to the Lord in prayer. We discuss it as a First Presidency and as a Council of the Twelve Apostles. We pray about it and then comes the whisperings of a still small voice. And we know the direction we should take and we proceed accordingly.

DR: And this is a Revelation?

Gordon B. Hinckley: This is a Revelation."*

Not a description of a St. Paul moment is it?

 

[RebeccaJ]

And you have just accused the Mormons of looting. I would suggest that the ‘rumor spreading’ is not on my side.

You do realize that you have a habit of taking anything people say and turning it to “Mormon persecution”, right? I never said any such thing. I said, people were looting stores for food, which is an indication that there wasn’t much food storage or sharing of said food storage.

PEOPLE does include more than Mormons. I hope you understand this concept.

As it happens, I can absolutely prove that Mormons who had their year’s supply of food immediately surrounding that area shared that supply with those who needed it.There have been many news reports about the Mormons and the way we handled disaster relief in New Orleans; our very worst enemies can’t criticize us for that. What THEY do is say 'there they go again, trying to ‘earn their way to heaven.’

Faith promoting stories you have heard. All well and good. I’m glad you like them. And once again, you have this imaginary persecution thing going.

As a matter of fact, the Mormons had 14 semis loaded and ready to distribute disaster relief supplies before the hurricane hit, and were ready to go before FEMA would allow anyone in. Additional trucks and supplies arrived every day, to the tune of 42,138 days of relief efforts just for Katrina; that’s 115 YEARS of donated time, in just a few weeks. The Mormons rebuilt homes, churches (not just ours…) and worked with the Red Cross to distribute hygiene kits and other supplies.

So, 14 semis is a single Mormon’s food storage? I think perhaps you are tying two things together that are not related. We were talking about food storage, not disaster relief coming from the outside.

The fact is, with Katrina we were among the first (though I have no idea who claims to be ‘first.’ ) to arrive.

We donated and personally distributed 70 tons of supplies, and worked, in the tsunami relief.

And we didn’t loot there, either.

Yes I have heard this, and yes it is a faith promoting rumor. The first to arrive were the Red Cross.

This does not mean I believe Mormon efforts were not worthwhile. Just, this Mormon drive to compete for First Place is puzzling.

And no, I never said Mormons were looting. That is entirely your imagination.

Evidently it is necessary, if only to counter comments like those you just made. Perhaps it was inadvertent…I hope it was,but great googly moogly, Rebecca…did you read what you wrote before you sent it?

I read what I write. Do you stop to think that perhaps you don’t need to read everything as though I am outside your door with a knife?

 

[dianaiad]

Actually, the LDS do use a version of the KJV, although they consider it flawed and have demoted its importance.

huh?