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Byzantine_Wolf
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It was not simply the crucifixion that brought about our freedom, but the Resurrection three days later. That should be taught alongside the Crucifixion. It was the Resurrection and the conquering of death by death that Christ freed us from death once and for all.
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Dokimas
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Point well taken. (notice I said, ‘for starters’)
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tweetymom
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I think we should be sharing Christ’s love for us in a very positive way. The agony He suffered for us out of love is amazing to me.
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AJTheMan
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Love and Tolerance.
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Dokimas
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I think we should be sharing Christ’s love for us in a very positive way. The agony He suffered for us out of love is amazing to me.
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tweetymom
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:clapping:
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Dokimas
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Kind of broad; There is NO one that manifests love like Jesus. He is the only One to die in our place, God paying the price He demanded with the Blood of His Son.
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Mark77
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What should we be communicating to others?
**Love, compassion, forgiveness, mercy, all things i am extremely reluctant to do unless i get something out of it.
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Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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**Love, compassion, forgiveness, mercy, all things i am extremely reluctant to do unless i get something out of it.
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Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
markl
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Dokimas
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I suppose, if I’m honest with myself, I’d have to agree I tend to that myself.
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planten
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I wonder if there was any place for TRUTH in the above good list. i.e. upholding the Truth and spreading the Truth with Justice.
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aspirant
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Yes. I would say the ascension of the Lord, too, is an essential element of the Paschal mystery.
(BTW, I don’t agree with the linked website’s claim that “God the Father turned his back on Jesus.”)
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Dokimas
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Are you saying Jesus wasn’t truthful or He was mistaken when He said, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?”?
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Prodigal_Son1
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Hey Dokimas,
I’ve explained my view of those words. Many had rejected Him and He was identifying Himself to those who handed Him over. He was quoting scriptures to them. The Jews knew scriptures well. The scriptures were read to them in the Temple and synagogues, from their infancy. They knew them by heart. When Christ spoke those words, they all thought of the writings in Psalms 22. Christ used scriptures that pointed to Him.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures: for you think in them to have life everlasting. And the same are they that give testimony of me.
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures the things that were concerning him.
To answer the topic of the post, love and where that love within us comes from…
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aspirant
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I’m saying that he was praying Psalm 22, which is a practice I would recommend to everyone.
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Dokimas
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Jesus quoted part of Psalm 22 when He said, ‘My God, why have you forsaken me?’. Hebrews 13:5 says Jesus/God will never leave us. How can I, like Jesus, pray that part of Psalm 22?
Now to the point: IMO, Jesus wasn’t just fulfilling the OT verse in Ps 22. It doesn’t make sense if there were no truth to the words Jesus quoted. If there were no truth, at what point do we take Jesus at His word (taking into consideration Jesus speaks in hyperbole (metephor) and literal).
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Byzantine_Wolf
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Just because we know God would never leave us doesn’t mean we won’t ever feel isolated from Him. Remember it was King David who wrote that and many other psalms, almost all of which speak of some kind of grief, to one degree or another, and at times felt very isolated from God. Also remember that Elijah, one of the greatest of the prophets, at one point felt alone in the world - so much so that he asked God to kill him.
I know for certain, with my experiences for half this year, that there are times when your faith can REALLY be tested with everything life throws at you, and you can feel isolated from God. Fulton Sheen presented a wonderful application of Psalm 22 in that regard: not only is Christ fulfilling the Messianic prophesy, but he is showing that, through His human nature, He feels that isolation that man feels from God. That cry of Psalm 22:1 is not only Christ affirming Who He is, but what He knows. He suffered for us, not only physically but mentally as well. At the same time, He shows us that God is never really far from us (as Psalm 22 later says) - one cannot have the Resurrection without the Passion.
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aspirant
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Great post, Byzantine_Wolf.
It is especially fitting that Jesus would pray this Psalm on the cross. Why has the Father allowed Jesus to be so afflicted, to be crucified, to suffer and even to die at the hands of enemies? It is the same question Jesus’ enemies asked mockingly (see Matthew 27:39-43, compare Psalm 22:7-8). The Psalm answers the question that Jesus’ mockers thought could not be answered: the Father will deliver Jesus, Jesus will rise from the dead, and all future generations will be told of this deliverance.
We too, members of Christ, can (and I think should) pray this prayer. God does not truly leave us, just as he did not leave David or Jesus, but he allows his saints to be afflicted (which sometimes feels as if he has left us, though he has not), even to die, and he delivers them.
He may have prayed the whole Psalm. The first line of a well-known text is sometimes used in ancient literature as an abbreviation for the whole. But even if he didn’t pray the whole Psalm aloud, any faithful Jew would recognize the prayer from its first line.
God never truly left David, who wrote the prayer, and he knew it too (see verses 24-31). The question “why have you forsaken me?” asks why God has allowed him to be afflicted, especially by his enemies, and it is a question also answered by the Psalm itself: “I shall live for him… future generations will be told about the Lord, and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, saying that he has done it.” God allows his saints to be afflicted, to suffer and even to die, and he delivers them.
It is especially fitting that Jesus would pray this Psalm on the cross. Why has the Father allowed Jesus to be so afflicted, to be crucified, to suffer and even to die at the hands of enemies? It is the same question Jesus’ enemies asked mockingly (see Matthew 27:39-43, compare Psalm 22:7-8). The Psalm answers the question that Jesus’ mockers thought could not be answered: the Father will deliver Jesus, Jesus will rise from the dead, and all future generations will be told of this deliverance.
We too, members of Christ, can (and I think should) pray this prayer. God does not truly leave us, just as he did not leave David or Jesus, but he allows his saints to be afflicted (which sometimes feels as if he has left us, though he has not), even to die, and he delivers them.
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Reuben_J
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I tried to figure out something to say but this says it for me.
And that include humility, which he did not say explicitly but implied.
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Dokimas
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That’s why we need to distinguish between feelings and the Word of God. Our feeling lie to us; the Word of God does not.
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