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Crusader
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What sort of Catholic Christian are you?
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Mamamull
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Ok, this is my foible, but to use “Orthodox” to refer to faithful Catholics seems to be a misquote. The Orthodox churches are not in full communion with the Holy Father, etc. It seems like a trick question.
I am a faithful Catholic who is still everything the Church teaches. I am not creating my own version of Catholicism and I love the Holy Father, the Blessed Virgin Mary and I absolutely love visiting Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and receiving whenever I can.:bowdown:
I am a faithful Catholic who is still everything the Church teaches. I am not creating my own version of Catholicism and I love the Holy Father, the Blessed Virgin Mary and I absolutely love visiting Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and receiving whenever I can.:bowdown:
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Crusader
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No.Ok, this is my foible, but to use “Orthodox” to refer to faithful Catholics seems to be a misquote. The Orthodox churches are not in full communion with the Holy Father, etc. It seems like a trick question.
I am a faithful Catholic who is still everything the Church teaches. I am not creating my own version of Catholicism and I love the Holy Father, the Blessed Virgin Mary and I absolutely love visiting Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and receiving whenever I can.:bowdown:
I typed “orthodox” not “Orthodox.” Huge difference. Go look-up the word “orthodox.”
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Andreas_Hofer
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I chose orthodox instead of traditional, but I may have gone the other way if your poll were not worded so polemically.
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VincentO
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I put the ‘pew-sitter’ option, purely because I don’t see myself as orthodox or traditional.
However, it doesn’t mean I just sit there and wait to see what happens and don’t speak out if I’m not happy with something.
I guess there’s not really a correct option for me and almost all the options seem a little bit…negative.
Can you un-post?
However, it doesn’t mean I just sit there and wait to see what happens and don’t speak out if I’m not happy with something.
I guess there’s not really a correct option for me and almost all the options seem a little bit…negative.
Can you un-post?
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Detroit_Sue
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I answered ‘orthdox,’ too, because I, though while traditional, do not claim to know more than the Church does. Perhaps you would like to reword this? 
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Faithful_2_Rome
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The only type one should be…Faithful to the Magesterium
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deogratias
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I too chose orthodox because in my mind, traditional and orthodox are synonymous - obviously I would not choose the word traditional in this poll as it was worded.
I believe a traditional/orthodoxl Catholic is one who is faithful to the Pope and Rome and who must also accept that the Ordo Missae is valid if properly celebrated.
A traditional/orthodox Catholic may or may not attend an approved Traditional Latin Mass and should be obedient to all the rubics of that Mass.
When a A traditional/orthodox Catholic attends a Novos Ordo Mass they should obey all the rubics outlined by the GIRM and the Bishops of that country or Diocese.
Traditional/orthodox Catholics do not deny the validity of Vatican II and its changes but may choose to exercise the things offered by indult (such as communion in the hand, or attending an Indult Mass).
Traditional/orthodox Catholics are obedient to the churches teachings in all matters, not just those governing the liturgy, and when given valid choices, they usually go for the more conservative ones.
Traditional/orthodox Catholics do not practice birth control or advocate abortion; do believe in fidelity in marriage, do not receive communion when in a state of grave sin, do not advocate women in the priesthood, do not approve of premarital sex or other liberal ideas contrary to church teaching.
Traditional Catholics do not practice cafeteria Catholicism.
This is the “true Traditional Catholic” there are others who claim to be traditionalists who attend illicit Masses, disbelieve anything that has happened since Vatican II and in some cases anything that happened before the council of trent - since we seem to not be able to avoid labels - (such as orthodox, traditional, liberal) I would suggest these Catholics are Tridentarians
Lastly a traditional/orthodox Catholic may not agree with all the current practices of the Church and may express that but they are obedient nonetheless (for instance they may not like female altar servers but there is no rule against it, they may dislike hand holding but there is no rule against it, they may dislike standing to receive communion but the current rule is to receive standing, etc.)
In summary - a traditional/orthodox Catholic is obedient and exercises the choices that are validly provided by Holy Mother Church.
I believe a traditional/orthodoxl Catholic is one who is faithful to the Pope and Rome and who must also accept that the Ordo Missae is valid if properly celebrated.
A traditional/orthodox Catholic may or may not attend an approved Traditional Latin Mass and should be obedient to all the rubics of that Mass.
When a A traditional/orthodox Catholic attends a Novos Ordo Mass they should obey all the rubics outlined by the GIRM and the Bishops of that country or Diocese.
Traditional/orthodox Catholics do not deny the validity of Vatican II and its changes but may choose to exercise the things offered by indult (such as communion in the hand, or attending an Indult Mass).
Traditional/orthodox Catholics are obedient to the churches teachings in all matters, not just those governing the liturgy, and when given valid choices, they usually go for the more conservative ones.
Traditional/orthodox Catholics do not practice birth control or advocate abortion; do believe in fidelity in marriage, do not receive communion when in a state of grave sin, do not advocate women in the priesthood, do not approve of premarital sex or other liberal ideas contrary to church teaching.
Traditional Catholics do not practice cafeteria Catholicism.
This is the “true Traditional Catholic” there are others who claim to be traditionalists who attend illicit Masses, disbelieve anything that has happened since Vatican II and in some cases anything that happened before the council of trent - since we seem to not be able to avoid labels - (such as orthodox, traditional, liberal) I would suggest these Catholics are Tridentarians
Lastly a traditional/orthodox Catholic may not agree with all the current practices of the Church and may express that but they are obedient nonetheless (for instance they may not like female altar servers but there is no rule against it, they may dislike hand holding but there is no rule against it, they may dislike standing to receive communion but the current rule is to receive standing, etc.)
In summary - a traditional/orthodox Catholic is obedient and exercises the choices that are validly provided by Holy Mother Church.
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Crusader
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That would seem to be a problematic statement – at least given the working definition of “traditional Catholic” that I have seen around here.
I see that as a huge problem in the “traditional Catholic” camp – that they necessarily believe they are always orthodox which certainly isn’t always the case. Credibility killer.
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dumspirospero
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I agree…one can be traditional and orthodox…which is what I am
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I too chose orthodox because in my mind, traditional and orthodox are synonymous - obviously I would not choose the word traditional in this poll as it was worded.
I believe a traditional/orthodoxl Catholic is one who is faithful to the Pope and Rome and who must also accept that the Ordo Missae is valid if properly celebrated.
A traditional/orthodox Catholic may or may not attend an approved Traditional Latin Mass and should be obedient to all the rubics of that Mass.
When a A traditional/orthodox Catholic attends a Novos Ordo Mass they should obey all the rubics outlined by the GIRM and the Bishops of that country or Diocese.
Traditional/orthodox Catholics do not deny the validity of Vatican II and its changes but may choose to exercise the things offered by indult (such as communion in the hand, or attending an Indult Mass).
Traditional/orthodox Catholics are obedient to the churches teachings in all matters, not just those governing the liturgy, and when given valid choices, they usually go for the more conservative ones.
Traditional/orthodox Catholics do not practice birth control or advocate abortion; do believe in fidelity in marriage, do not receive communion when in a state of grave sin, do not advocate women in the priesthood, do not approve of premarital sex or other liberal ideas contrary to church teaching.
Traditional Catholics do not practice cafeteria Catholicism.
This is the “true Traditional Catholic” there are others who claim to be traditionalists who attend illicit Masses, disbelieve anything that has happened since Vatican II and in some cases anything that happened before the council of trent - since we seem to not be able to avoid labels - (such as orthodox, traditional, liberal) I would suggest these Catholics are Tridentarians
Lastly a traditional/orthodox Catholic may not agree with all the current practices of the Church and may express that but they are obedient nonetheless (for instance they may not like female altar servers but there is no rule against it, they may dislike hand holding but there is no rule against it, they may dislike standing to receive communion but the current rule is to receive standing, etc.)
In summary - a traditional/orthodox Catholic is obedient and exercises the choices that are validly provided by Holy Mother Church.
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Lance
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I said orthodox because I always try to do what the Church teaches. I fail miserably but I keep trying.
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IrenkaJMJ
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Very well said.I too chose orthodox because in my mind, traditional and orthodox are synonymous - obviously I would not choose the word traditional in this poll as it was worded.
I believe a traditional/orthodoxl Catholic is one who is faithful to the Pope and Rome and who must also accept that the Ordo Missae is valid if properly celebrated.
A traditional/orthodox Catholic may or may not attend an approved Traditional Latin Mass and should be obedient to all the rubics of that Mass.
When a A traditional/orthodox Catholic attends a Novos Ordo Mass they should obey all the rubics outlined by the GIRM and the Bishops of that country or Diocese.
Traditional/orthodox Catholics do not deny the validity of Vatican II and its changes but may choose to exercise the things offered by indult (such as communion in the hand, or attending an Indult Mass).
Traditional/orthodox Catholics are obedient to the churches teachings in all matters, not just those governing the liturgy, and when given valid choices, they usually go for the more conservative ones.
Traditional/orthodox Catholics do not practice birth control or advocate abortion; do believe in fidelity in marriage, do not receive communion when in a state of grave sin, do not advocate women in the priesthood, do not approve of premarital sex or other liberal ideas contrary to church teaching.
Traditional Catholics do not practice cafeteria Catholicism.
This is the “true Traditional Catholic” there are others who claim to be traditionalists who attend illicit Masses, disbelieve anything that has happened since Vatican II and in some cases anything that happened before the council of trent - since we seem to not be able to avoid labels - (such as orthodox, traditional, liberal) I would suggest these Catholics are Tridentarians
Lastly a traditional/orthodox Catholic may not agree with all the current practices of the Church and may express that but they are obedient nonetheless (for instance they may not like female altar servers but there is no rule against it, they may dislike hand holding but there is no rule against it, they may dislike standing to receive communion but the current rule is to receive standing, etc.)
In summary - a traditional/orthodox Catholic is obedient and exercises the choices that are validly provided by Holy Mother Church.
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Crusader
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Same here, Lance.
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Crusader
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Does the Church define or recongnize “traditionalism?”
It sounds as though it’s something that is simply made up…
It sounds as though it’s something that is simply made up…
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RBushlow
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The dictionary definition of orthodox is:
1 a : conforming to established doctrine or teaching of the Church.
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Toni
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I follow the church, though it is not always easy, to do.
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pnewton
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I agree that orthodox and traditionalist should be the same thing, but I completely understand why Crusader worded it this way.
Traditionalitst often has the flavor of one who raises the authority of Church Tradition above that of Holy Scripture and the current Magesterial authority of the Church, in a similar way (though not as complete) that Bible Christians elevate the Bible to a stature of sole rule.
So I strive to be a Bible Christian, a traditionalist and Faithful2Rome ( I like that name) or, as Crusader worded it, orthodox.
Traditionalitst often has the flavor of one who raises the authority of Church Tradition above that of Holy Scripture and the current Magesterial authority of the Church, in a similar way (though not as complete) that Bible Christians elevate the Bible to a stature of sole rule.
So I strive to be a Bible Christian, a traditionalist and Faithful2Rome ( I like that name) or, as Crusader worded it, orthodox.
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deogratias
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I think “strive” is the word here that is really important. Each of us, I believe, that visit this forum anyway, “strive” to be the best Catholic we can be.
Some may be more aware of Church teaching than others, some may be more spiritually evolved, some may be brand new to Catholicism and some may be stuck in the past - but we are all striving, and probably all visit forums to learn and hopefully we can offer each other the benefits of our experience without being rude or overly critical and that we can lift each other up rather than put each other down.
Some may be more aware of Church teaching than others, some may be more spiritually evolved, some may be brand new to Catholicism and some may be stuck in the past - but we are all striving, and probably all visit forums to learn and hopefully we can offer each other the benefits of our experience without being rude or overly critical and that we can lift each other up rather than put each other down.
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HagiaSophia
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Which perhaps is why I’m so fond of the expression, “We don’t go to heaven, we grow to heaven”.
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Brennan_Doherty
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I don’t see any choices that I wish to pick. I suppose I am a more “traditional” Catholic. However, I do not believe I know more than the Church in regards to Faith and Morals. That is, abortion, contraception, Purgatory, etc.
And this is usually part of the makeup of a “progressive” Catholic, that they question or oppose the Church’s official teachings on faith and morals.
However, I do believe a Catholic can, and in some cases ought to, respectfully oppose prudential decisions of the Church when they seem as if they have been detrimental to the Faith. For instance, changes to the liturgy (and not just the abuses), communion in the hand, standing to receive Holy Communion, etc.
This does not mean a Catholic can just disobey the hierarchy. For instance I can’t just go down the street and start my own “Catholic” church without any sanction from Rome.
Nevertheless, in respectfully opposing certain prudential decisions or allowances by Rome, which are not part of the Deposit of Faith, one can be a faithful Catholic. And I have seen faithful Catholics, such as Dietrich von Hildebrand, Evelyn Waugh, Monsignor Klaus Gamber, Fr. George Rutler, Fr. Aidan Nichols, and others do exactly that.
And this is usually part of the makeup of a “progressive” Catholic, that they question or oppose the Church’s official teachings on faith and morals.
However, I do believe a Catholic can, and in some cases ought to, respectfully oppose prudential decisions of the Church when they seem as if they have been detrimental to the Faith. For instance, changes to the liturgy (and not just the abuses), communion in the hand, standing to receive Holy Communion, etc.
This does not mean a Catholic can just disobey the hierarchy. For instance I can’t just go down the street and start my own “Catholic” church without any sanction from Rome.
Nevertheless, in respectfully opposing certain prudential decisions or allowances by Rome, which are not part of the Deposit of Faith, one can be a faithful Catholic. And I have seen faithful Catholics, such as Dietrich von Hildebrand, Evelyn Waugh, Monsignor Klaus Gamber, Fr. George Rutler, Fr. Aidan Nichols, and others do exactly that.
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