What stands out in this list?

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My guess as to what you are referring are the three different Popes named Benedict IX, and the fact that they link to the same article. But in reading about Benedict IX, it appears that he was in power three different times. Then, messing around with the web address I came up with these links:

Benedict IX (antipope) – newadvent.org/cathen/02429b.htm
Benedict XI – newadvent.org/cathen/02429c.htm

I know that this was one of the darkest times of the papacy, lots of antipope-ing going on, so I went to my *mostly *trusted source, wikipedia. It explains more clearly that Pope Benedict IX apparently held the office three different times, and discusses the reasons for that. My guess is that the somewhat confusing list, which doesn’t explain the details, however, is just a New Advent oversight. I find that the wikipedia articles can clear things up that the old Catholic encyclopedia can’t, as well as point out other problems. Honestly, given that all of this was happening less than a decade before 1054, I can’t fault the eastern churches for wanting to distance themselves from their Roman counterparts. Of course Patriarch Michael I Cerularius had his own scandals and political conflicts. Thanks though, that was a fun little detective game. Was this what you were looking for?

Maybe you were referring to the fact that the last eight popes have no articles. I think this simply has to do with copyright issues, and only the old encyclopedia, published during the reign of Pius X, is available online. If you read the article on Pius X, it speaks on current events and there is no discription of Pius’ death. Was this what you were looking for?

Pax vobiscum
 
papaspicy said:
My guess as to what you are referring are the three different Popes named Benedict IX, and the fact that they link to the same article. But in reading about Benedict IX, it appears that he was in power three different times. Then, messing around with the web address I came up with these links:

Benedict IX (antipope) – newadvent.org/cathen/02429b.htm
Benedict XI – newadvent.org/cathen/02429c.htm

I know that this was one of the darkest times of the papacy, lots of antipope-ing going on, so I went to my *mostly *trusted source, wikipedia. It explains more clearly that Pope Benedict IX apparently held the office three different times, and discusses the reasons for that. My guess is that the somewhat confusing list, which doesn’t explain the details, however, is just a New Advent oversight. I find that the wikipedia articles can clear things up that the old Catholic encyclopedia can’t, as well as point out other problems. Honestly, given that all of this was happening less than a decade before 1054, I can’t fault the eastern churches for wanting to distance themselves from their Roman counterparts. Of course Patriarch Michael I Cerularius had his own scandals and political conflicts. Thanks though, that was a fun little detective game. Was this what you were looking for?

Maybe you were referring to the fact that the last eight popes have no articles. I think this simply has to do with copyright issues, and only the old encyclopedia, published during the reign of Pius X, is available online. If you read the article on Pius X, it speaks on current events and there is no discription of Pius’ death. Was this what you were looking for?

Pax vobiscum
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No it wasn’t but if you please let’s see if more respond and then I will tell you what I really notice.
 
childofmary1143 said:
No it wasn’t but if you please let’s see if more respond and then I will tell you what I really notice.
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The first 35 popes have been canonized, then Pope Liberius, then the next 12 were canonized?

There’s no article for Pope JPII?

I’m all out of ideas…
 
Spirithound said:
The first 35 popes have been canonized, then Pope Liberius, then the next 12 were canonized?

There’s no article for Pope JPII?

I’m all out of ideas…
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Okay well it wasn’t that but I did notice that. No what I really noticed is that since the Trent Council and Pope Pius V there is only 1 Pope that is a Canonized Saint. (Pope Pius X).

Now its my understanding that 2 miracles will be needed to canonize any Saint. But if people aren’t praying to those Popes they can’t be canonized can they?
 
childofmary1143 said:
Okay well it wasn’t that but I did notice that. No what I really noticed is that since the Trent Council and Pope Pius V there is only 1 Pope that is a Canonized Saint. (Pope Pius X).

Now its my understanding that 2 miracles will be needed to canonize any Saint. But if people aren’t praying to those Popes they can’t be canonized can they?
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You think no-one’s praying to JP2? Heck, there were probably some praying to him while he was still alive!

Not to mention John XXIII, who a lot of people love and is now a Blessed, as I think Pius XII is too. Forgive me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this mean they’ve each performed a miracle? :hmmm:
 
Interesting observation. I think that one of the reasons for this seeming disparity lies during the reign of Sixtus V, two after St. Pius V. Sixtus was the pope who really standardized the process by which a person was canonized. This action was part of the greater Counter-Reformation in which the church was attempting to clean up some of the “more relaxed” discipline of the early Renaissance. There were issues that some of the appointments of church leaders were for political connections, and that people were proclaimed Saints in order to gain favor with powerful families. The result was that very few people were canonized, and the church was more interested in elevating those that didn’t elevate themselves. (I have a limited understanding of this period, which I should note was learned from a secular source, so correct me if I’m wrong.)

I heard once that since the Council of Trent around two-thirds of the Saints canonized came during the pontificate of JP II. Also, for whatever reason, people pray for the intersession of saints that they identify with or are inspired by. Popes are not always the easiest to relate with. Just my two ideas on the matter.

Also, as you point out, between St. Pius V and now (435 years) there is only St. Pius X. But between St. Gregory VII (1073-1085) and St. Pius V (480 years) there is also only one canonized pope, St. Celestine V (1294), and there are significantly more popes during that time period.

I think I have way too much time on my hands.

Pax vobiscum
 
papaspicy said:
Interesting observation. I think that one of the reasons for this seeming disparity lies during the reign of Sixtus V, two after St. Pius V. Sixtus was the pope who really standardized the process by which a person was canonized. This action was part of the greater Counter-Reformation in which the church was attempting to clean up some of the “more relaxed” discipline of the early Renaissance. There were issues that some of the appointments of church leaders were for political connections, and that people were proclaimed Saints in order to gain favor with powerful families. The result was that very few people were canonized, and the church was more interested in elevating those that didn’t elevate themselves. (I have a limited understanding of this period, which I should note was learned from a secular source, so correct me if I’m wrong.)

I heard once that since the Council of Trent around two-thirds of the Saints canonized came during the pontificate of JP II. Also, for whatever reason, people pray for the intersession of saints that they identify with or are inspired by. Popes are not always the easiest to relate with. Just my two ideas on the matter.

Also, as you point out, between St. Pius V and now (435 years) there is only St. Pius X. But between St. Gregory VII (1073-1085) and St. Pius V (480 years) there is also only one canonized pope, St. Celestine V (1294), and there are significantly more popes during that time period.

I think I have way too much time on my hands.

Pax vobiscum
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I think I may have too much time on my hands too:D
 
LilyM said:
You think no-one’s praying to JP2? Heck, there were probably some praying to him while he was still alive!

Not to mention John XXIII, who a lot of people love and is now a Blessed, as I think Pius XII is too. Forgive me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this mean they’ve each performed a miracle? :hmmm:
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No I never said that nobody is praying to JP2 but he is one of many Popes since 1572.

Yes you are right about the miracle. One is for Beatification and the other for Canonization
 
One thing to do is to put someone in your Rosary intentions. Daily I pray for the Cause for Canonization of Abp. Fulton J. Sheen. While I don’t pray to him, I think we communicate.
 
Sheeniac said:
One thing to do is to put someone in your Rosary intentions. Daily I pray for the Cause for Canonization of Abp. Fulton J. Sheen. While I don’t pray to him, I think we communicate.
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And if I may add to the list of names up for beatification is Mother Ignacia del Espiritu Santo-holy foundress of the Congregation of the Religious of the Virgin Mary also known as the RVM Sisters. To learn more about her please visit: www.motherignaciamovementofusa.blogspot.com

God bless.:nun1:
Yggi
 
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