What teachings would the Catholic Church have to drop for you to be a catholic

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In fact I think the church has become too tolerant lately.There is not the same respect towrds God our parents had.
I agree the priests do all they can to keep the true christians but the young generations tend to break the link wit God.Some of they go to church becuase they have to,not because they want to meet God and hear the Word of God and the preach.
They are scared to live in God because they think God will take something from that.Which is not true.God doesen’t want to take,God want’s to give and keep you from harm.
 
Mihaela said:
In fact I think the church has become too tolerant lately.There is not the same respect towrds God our parents had.
I agree the priests do all they can to keep the true christians but the young generations tend to break the link wit God.Some of they go to church becuase they have to,not because they want to meet God and hear the Word of God and the preach.
They are scared to live in God because they think God will take something from that.Which is not true.God doesen’t want to take,God want’s to give and keep you from harm.
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Este foarte adevarat. Dar cred că ,
cu toate acestea, Biserica Ortodoxa nu sa schimbat la fel de mult ca Biserica Catolica.
 
1beleevr said:
There may actually be some validity for Mary being the first Christian, since in Luke 1:47, she referred to God as her Saviour! But it also is not too far fetched to believe that she was not completely sinless her whole life(Romans 5:12, 3:23) I believe it says that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God!👍 Mary was a chosen servant, a vessel as it were. A peasant girl, ordained by God to bear His only begotten Son! And as far as needing Mary or the catholic church for salvation; this is really stretching it:eek: One of the reasons I am a nondenominational Christian, is that many of the Protestant churches, require church membership to validate your salvation! Without going into Mary being the holy mother of God, would someone please cite scripture, where Jesus or any of the apostles tell us believers that we need Mary and church membership to be saved! And the pope; it may have been a bit of a broad statement to call him “the” evangelical leader of the entire Christian world! I am sure that he is a nice man, and like other pastors, preachers, etc., has been set aside by God to lead his flock(catholics). I for one respect the man, but do not believe he is infallible(due to his flesh) or that he speaks for all Christians
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You said the Church is important. If she is important, what really is her role in one’s salvation, if in your view it has?
 
Hi, Thorwald,

Interesting position:
Thorwald said:
God is The Word. I believe in The Word. It does not matter to me, whether I communicate with others concerning The Word, inside or outside of any building, or to any Christian faith group. 🙂
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It appears to me that Christ addressed this position in Matthew 7:21 when He said, “Not everyone who says, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father…” It looks like starting and ending with belief is simply not enough. As Christians we are required to act in particular ways. A good example of this is also found in the same Gospel (Matt 25:35) where feeding the hungry, visiting the sick and imprisoned, clothing the naked are specifically identified as acts that will be judged by God. Those who did this, responding to the needs in Christ’s Body, are rewarded. Those who failed to do these acts are punished. Our God is both loving and demanding of His creatures.

Believing in “The Word” is somehow getting stretched into NOT believing in what The Word said about: founding a Church on Peter, giving the Apostles the power to consecrate common bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinit of Jesus Christ, forgive men’s sins and that His Chruch would be guided and protected by the Holy Spirit. All of this is located in the Bible - and this would be the same Bible that the Catholic Church identifyed the writings as inspired in about 350AD and assembled - and stayed with to this very day.

The issues are clear: communicating clearly about what Christ commanded His followers to do is not confinded to a building as in a physical structure of stone and brick. We are part of the Body of Christ and, as such, we get our life from Christ insofar as we are connected to Him. Each cell in the human body must do its job to ensure the functioning of each organ, and all of these organs work together to make for a healthy body. Some ‘cells’ are not convinced they are part of the Body - and, on the Last Day, they will be proved correct as they are cast out with the devils into Hell.

God bless
 
Thorwald said:
I am very well aware of the ‘honour’ placed upon Mary, by the Catholic Church. That is your privilege. Any honour bestowed upon Mary by God, is between God and Mary. I am not commanded by God to bestow any honour upon her, beyond the knowledge that she is the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ. I find no ‘special powers’ granted to her, that I need, in order to become saved, or live my life in a way that is pleasing to God.

I am not trying to be offensive. The Word of God has been given unto us. It tells us the way to salvation, and what we must do or not do. I find no requirement to ‘worship’ Mary being commanded unto me. This is the only point that I am trying to make. If you wish to worship Mary, go ahead. Just don’t judge my Christian behaviour based on whether or not I worship Mary in any way. Thanks. 🙂

Thorwald Johansen
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If you are “well aware of the honour placed upon Mary” why do you insist that we “worship” her?

You are obviously bent on that word worship. Actually, I don’t know why I waste my time discoursing with you.
 
1beleevr said:
There may actually be some validity for Mary being the first Christian, since in Luke 1:47, she referred to God as her Saviour! But it also is not too far fetched to believe that she was not completely sinless her whole life(Romans 5:12, 3:23) I believe it says that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God!👍 Mary was a chosen servant, a vessel as it were. A peasant girl, ordained by God to bear His only begotten Son! And as far as needing Mary or the catholic church for salvation; this is really stretching it:eek: One of the reasons I am a nondenominational Christian, is that many of the Protestant churches, require church membership to validate your salvation! Without going into Mary being the holy mother of God, would someone please cite scripture, where Jesus or any of the apostles tell us believers that we need Mary and church membership to be saved! And the pope; it may have been a bit of a broad statement to call him “the” evangelical leader of the entire Christian world! I am sure that he is a nice man, and like other pastors, preachers, etc., has been set aside by God to lead his flock(catholics). I for one respect the man, but do not believe he is infallible(due to his flesh) or that he speaks for all Christians
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Going backwards, the non-Christian world seems to see him as the leader of all Christianity.

Jesus established a Church. Jesus did no un-needed acts. If he saw the need to establish a Church, then it is needed. The Church is described as the Body of Christ and the Bride of Christ. If it was unimportant, such terminology would be crazy.

Had there been no Mary, Christianity would be totally different. God would have used another way.

If ALL have sinned, please tell me what sin a new born baby committed? Or the profoundly mentally retarded?
 
This business of “submitting” to the Pope is nonsense, a false and prejudiced paradigm. He is the shepherd for the rest of us. He is a spiritual leader and not a dictator as often erroreously portrayed. JP II and Benedict XVI are truly godsends to the CC. We do regard the Pope as the office descendant of Peter, who was handed the reins to guide the flock. That includles preaching and teaching. That’s all. Because there are some rules laid down to be included in the CC does not make the Pope a boss of people any more than Moses was boss over the Israelites.
 
Cinette said:
Are you saying that the Hail Mary is not scriptural?

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This information is taken from the Catholic Encyclopaedia:

"It is commonly described as consisting of three parts. The first, “Hail (Mary) full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women”, embodies the words used by the Angel Gabriel in saluting the Blessed Virgin (Luke, I, 28). The second, “and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Jesus)”, is borrowed from the Divinely inspired greeting of St. Elizabeth (Luke, I, 42)…Finally, the petition “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen,”
 
Mihaela said:
This information is taken from the Catholic Encyclopaedia:

"It is commonly described as consisting of three parts. The first, “Hail (Mary) full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women”, embodies the words used by the Angel Gabriel in saluting the Blessed Virgin (Luke, I, 28). The second, “and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Jesus)”, is borrowed from the Divinely inspired greeting of St. Elizabeth (Luke, I, 42)…Finally, the petition “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen,”
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Gabriel of 12;

The petition was recorded by public demonstration from the council of Ephesus in 431 a.d. After the council defeated the heresy of Nestorius who denied Jesus full humanity and fully divinity. THis coucil also declared that Mary is “theotokos” Mother of God. Upon this declaration, the people of Ephesus who new Mary because she last resided there, waited with anxiety, upon hearing the councils declaration; went out in processions throughout Ephesus, in one voice completing the Hail Mary Gospel prayer, "Holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death “Amen”.
 
Cinette: I believe it’s quite possible, that Thorwald, like many other non-catholics(myself included) hear so much about Mary from catholics, that there would be a tendency to believe that she is part of your worship! And, though we(noncatholics) are part of the Bride of Christ, and we definitely respect and acknowledge her contribution, we do not lift her up daily, weekly or recite the rosary:thumbsup:
 
Not saying it isn’t scriptural, but not having statues, or other idols is also scriptural(Exodus 20:4):)😉
 
Okay, I think we all agree that Mar’ys role in God’s plan was HUGE!! But, if Jesus sent us an advocate to intercede for us to the Father(John 15:26, 1John 2:1), why do we need others to pray for us:confused:You’ll notice I said need, rather than want! I believe in intercessory prayer, but when I’m praying for myself or others, I can and do go right to the Father! Put it this way; say you wanted to talk to your father(earthly), but your mother said, “well, son, you need to talk to this person, and that person, and so on”:eek: Believe me, I do not disrespect or dishonor Mary, I just don’t pray through or to her:thumbsup:
 
1beleevr said:
Okay, I think we all agree that Mar’ys role in God’s plan was HUGE!! But, if Jesus sent us an advocate to intercede for us to the Father(John 15:26, 1John 2:1), why do we need others to pray for us:confused:You’ll notice I said need, rather than want! I believe in intercessory prayer, but when I’m praying for myself or others, I can and do go right to the Father! Put it this way; say you wanted to talk to your father(earthly), but your mother said, “well, son, you need to talk to this person, and that person, and so on”:eek: Believe me, I do not disrespect or dishonor Mary, I just don’t pray through or to her:thumbsup:
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Why are we told in scriptures to pray for each other?
 
1beleevr said:
And, though we(noncatholics) are part of the Bride of Christ
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Thank you for that information. So Buddhists and atheists are part of the Bride of Christ? :hmmm:

P.S. You also said that “noncatholics … do not lift her [Mary] up daily”, which suggests to me that you don’t know a lot about the Eastern Orthodox.
 
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