What teachings would the Catholic Church have to drop for you to be a catholic

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w_stewart said:
He not only mutilated the Bible but he crippled the Church as well.
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I especially like a quote by St Augustine that went something like: the Body of Christ may be bloody, bleeding and coverred with sores but it is no reason to hack it to pieces.

Perhaps Luther should have read that then.
 
benedictus2 said:
Thorwald your ignorance is painful. I go to Church and have never brought the Bible with me but guess what, I hear the Bible proclaimed!

And this is how Christians learned about salvation before the advent of the printng press! And that is for the first 1500 years of Christianity!

When you are in Church you are not supposed to be reading your Bible. The Gospels and all readings are supposed to be proclaimed to you!

At Mass on a Sunday, we have 1 reading from the OT, 1 reading from the Letters, 1 from Psalms and lastly 1 reading from the Gospel.

Can you say that you have as much readings from the Bible in your Sunday service?

If a Catholic went to Mass every day, he/she would have heard the ENTIRE BIBLE proclaimed in a span of three years.
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We do not take our Bibles to Church. Instead we have a Missal for Sundays and another for days of the week. In our Missals are scripture readings and as Benedictus says readings from the OT, Epistles and the NT and they are arranged so that the connection is made. The Mass is seeped in scripture. The Entrance antiphon, the Alleluia, the communion antiphon - all the liturgy is seeped in scripture. The scriptures come alive during the Mass for those paying attention.

So throughout the world Catholics have the same readings each day and Priests will preach on these readings and do not pick and choose the readings - they preach on the readings in the Missals.

Cinette
 
Cinette said:
We do not take our Bibles to Church. Instead we have a Missal for Sundays and another for days of the week. In our Missals are scripture readings and as Benedictus says readings from the OT, Epistles and the NT and they are arranged so that the connection is made. The Mass is seeped in scripture. The Entrance antiphon, the Alleluia, the communion antiphon - all the liturgy is seeped in scripture. The scriptures come alive during the Mass for those paying attention.

So throughout the world Catholics have the same readings each day and Priests will preach on these readings and do not pick and choose the readings - they preach on the readings in the Missals.

Cinette
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I would like to expand on that and list here the Biblical background for the Liturgy of the Mass taken from this website : http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/Biblical_Mass_Texts.htm

The words spoken by the priests and the people during the Catholic Mass and other Christian liturgies are not only based loosely on the Bible; many of them are direct quotations from particular biblical texts:
Introductory Rites:
  • Sign of the Cross: “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
    (see Matt 28:19; cf. John 14:13-14; Acts 2:21)
  • Formal Greeting:
    1. “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ…” (2 Cor 13:14)
    2. “The grace and peace of God our Father…” (Eph 1:2)
    3. “The Lord be with you.” (2 Tim 4:22; cf. Matt 1:23; 28:20)
    4. Rite of Blessing and Sprinkling Holy Water (see Ezek 36:25; cf. Num 8:7a)
    5. Penitential Rite:
      1. “I confess to almighty God…” (cf. Lev 5:5; Neh 1:5-9; Dan 9:3-19; James 5:16)
      2. “Lord, Have Mercy” ( Matt 15:22; 17:15; 20:30-31; cf. Ps 123:3)
      3. “Glory to God in the highest…” (Luke 2:14; cf. Rev 4:11; 5:11-14)
      4. Prayers concluded by “Amen” (Neh 8:6; Ps 41:13; Rom 16:27; Heb 13:20-21; Rev 7:16)
      Liturgy of the Word:
      • Introductory/Concluding Dialogues:
      • “A reading from the book/letter of…”
      • “The Word of the Lord” - “Thanks be to God”
      • “A reading from the holy Gospel according to…” - “Glory to you, O Lord”
      • “The Gospel of the Lord” - “Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ”
      • Acclamations before the Gospel:
      • “Alleluia” (many Psalms, esp. Ps 146-150; Rev 19:1-6)
      • “Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ, King of endless glory!” (cf. Ps 24:7-10; 1 Thess 2:12; 2 Tim 4:18)
      • “Praise and honor to you, Lord Jesus Christ!” (cf. Dan 4:34, 37; 1 Peter 1:7)
      • “Glory and praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ!” (cf. Phil 1:11)
      • Profession of Faith:
      • “We believe…” (Mark 9:24; John 11:27; cf. John 14:1; 1 John 5:10)
      • General Intercessions:
      • “We pray to the Lord” - “Lord, hear our prayer”
      Liturgy of the Eucharist:
      • Preparation of the Gifts: “Blessed are you, Lord, God of all creation…” (cf. 1 Chron 29:10; Ps 72:18-19; 119:10; Luke 1:68)
      • Eucharistic Acclamations:
      • “Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, God of power and might…” (Isa 6:3; Rev 4:8)
      • “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” (Ps 118:26; Mark 11:10)
      • Words of Institution: “Take, eat, this is my body…” (Mark 14:22-24; Matt 26:26-28; Luke 22:19-20; 1 Cor 11:23-25)
      • Memorial Acclamations:
        1. “Christ has died; Christ is risen; Christ will come again.” (cf. 1 Thess 4:14-15; 1 Cor 15:3-23)
        2. “Dying you destroyed our death, rising you restored our life. Lord Jesus, come in glory.” (cf. 1 Cor 16:22)
        3. “When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we proclaim your death, Lord Jesus, until you come in glory.” (cf. 1 Cor 11:26)
        4. “Lord, by your cross and resurrection, you have set us free. You are the Savior of the world.” (cf. Luke 4:42)
        5. Lord’s Prayer: “Our Father in heaven…” (Matt 6:9-13; cf. Luke 11:2-4; Mark 14:36; Gal 4:6)
        6. Doxology: “For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours…”
          (found only in some biblical manuscripts after Matt 6:13; cf. Rev 4:11; 1 Chron 29:11)
        7. Greeting of Peace: “The peace of the Lord be with you always.” (cf. John 14:27; 16:33; 20:19-20; 20:26)
        8. Breaking of the Bread: “Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world…” (cf. John 1:29, 36; cf. Rev 5:6-13; 22:1-3)
        9. Preparation before Communion: “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed.” (cf. Luke 7:1-10)
        Concluding Rite:
        • Final Blessing (cf. Gen 28:3; Deut 14:29; Num 6:23-27; Ps 29:11)
        • Dismissal:
          1. “Go in the peace of Christ.”
          2. “The Mass is ended; go in peace.”
          3. “Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.” (cf. Deut 10:11-13; Judg 18:6; Luke 7:50)
          YOU CANNOT GET ANY MORE STEEPED IN SCRIPTURE THAN THAT!😃
 
Thank you Benedictus - yes, what more could you want!

No wonder Scott Hahn was surprised and amazed and overwhelmed when he attended his first Mass.

I would like to challenge Protestants to attend the Holy Week services and tell me that it did not feel that they were in Heaven. The liturgy, the prayers, the singing, the preaching, everything is simply glorious. There is the Presence, the holiness, the reverence, the awe! You can’t do better than that. One is reminded of Jesus’ ultimate sacrifice, his great love for us, his gift of himself.

I can never understand or make out the reasons for the hatred certain (the majority?) Protestants have for the CC. They make the most outrageous accusations and tell so many lies about the Catholic Church.

They claim to know what we believe - somethings things we have never heard of! We have been warned that this would happen.

But we do love them… We want to share what we have with all people because the Church is for all of God’s children.

Cinette
 
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I can never understand or make out the reasons for the hatred certain (the majority?) Protestants have for the CC. They make the most outrageous accusations and tell so many lies about the Catholic Church.
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They claim to know what we believe - somethings things we have never heard of! We have been warned that this would happen.
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Cinette,
First, the Catholic Mass is beautiful, and scripture filled, there is no doubt.

Second,
I would contend that, rather than hate, the majority of protestants simply don’t care about the Catholic Church. They know very little about it. They were raised in their parents faith communion, and the CC is just another church down the street.
Are there those that do hate the CC? Yes. A majority? No, because the majoroty don’t care.

Jon

But we do love them… We want to share what we have with all people because the Church is for all of God’s children.

Cinette
 
There’s a few things I disagree with, but the big one is their stance on Homosexuality. I won’t go into it, as I’m rather opinionated, but suffice it to say that God loves everyone, or so I understand it.

My favourite thing about the Catholic faith is the churches, though. God, they’re so gorgeous. 😃
 
LittleSage said:
There’s a few things I disagree with, but the big one is their stance on Homosexuality. I won’t go into it, as I’m rather opinionated, but suffice it to say that God loves everyone, or so I understand it.

My favourite thing about the Catholic faith is the churches, though. God, they’re so gorgeous. 😃
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I do not know what you mean about the Catholic “stance on Homosexuality”. The Catholic Church loves homosexuals like anybody else. It is their sexual activity that they find distasteful and the fact that they now want to redefine marriage.

There are some very devout homosexuals in our Parish whom we love. I would fight anyone or any action that would hurt homosexuals. I would employ a homosexual and befriend them.

It is complicated but there is no discrimination against them.

What kind of religion do you belong to? Something “witch”?? Never heard of it.

God bless you
Cinette
 
Cinette said:
I do not know what you mean about the Catholic “stance on Homosexuality”. The Catholic Church loves homosexuals like anybody else. It is their sexual activity that they find distasteful and the fact that they now want to redefine marriage.

There are some very devout homosexuals in our Parish whom we love. I would fight anyone or any action that would hurt homosexuals. I would employ a homosexual and befriend them.

It is complicated but there is no discrimination against them.

What kind of religion do you belong to? Something “witch”?? Never heard of it.

God bless you
Cinette
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What I meant is that I don’t think that someone should deny their sexuality, or any facet of who they are. But hey, that’s just me.

Oh, and Hedgewitchery is a form of Paganism that centers on herbalism and nature. 🙂
 
LittleSage said:
What I meant is that I don’t think that someone should deny their sexuality, or any facet of who they are. But hey, that’s just me.

Oh, and Hedgewitchery is a form of Paganism that centers on herbalism and nature. 🙂
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Herbalism and nature are wonderful things - they are part of God’s creation.

You should look deeper sometime and look to God and his plan which is full of promise. He gave us our humanity and there is so much to learn and explore and especially to love.

Peace
Cinette
 
Cinette said:
Herbalism and nature are wonderful things - they are part of God’s creation.

You should look deeper sometime and look to God and his plan which is full of promise. He gave us our humanity and there is so much to learn and explore and especially to love.

Peace
Cinette
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Thank you for your kind words. ❤️
 
Belief in transubstantiation
Belief that God hears our prayers
Belief that there is a moral law imposed upon man by God
Belief that God or Saints intercede on behalf of man
Belief in miracles
Belief that Bible is the inspired word of God
View on artificial birth control
View on abortion
Belief that man is sinful at birth.
Belief that God required a blood sacrifice to forgive what he himself created.
Belief in God.

Then I’d go back to being a Catholic.
 
ConfusedTim said:
There seems to be so much in common across all Christians that i wondered what would need to be changed about the Catholic church before you would consider converting e.g. stop the focus on Mary as key for many but what else would need to change…
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If the Catholic Church droppted just ONE doctrine, it would loose its proper name to be called Catholic anymore. For the Catholic Church is the FULLNESS of truth.
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
If the Catholic Church droppted just ONE doctrine, it would loose its proper name to be called Catholic anymore. For the Catholic Church is the FULLNESS of truth.
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Didn’t they drop the doctrine that the Blood wasd shed for many? Now the new doctrine taught in the USA, but not in some other countries, is that the Blood was shed for all.
 
bobzills said:
Didn’t they drop the doctrine that the Blood wasd shed for many? Now the new doctrine taught in the USA, but not in some other countries, is that the Blood was shed for all.
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That was a liturgical language change. The Church has always taught that not everyone will be saved. Although the blood is shed for all, God has ordained that each man choose whether he wishes to be covered in that blood. Some choose to reject the opportunity.
 
phantasm said:
Belief in transubstantiation
Belief that God hears our prayers
Belief that there is a moral law imposed upon man by God
Belief that God or Saints intercede on behalf of man
Belief in miracles
Belief that Bible is the inspired word of God
View on artificial birth control
View on abortion
Belief that man is sinful at birth.
Belief that God required a blood sacrifice to forgive what he himself created.
Belief in God.

Then I’d go back to being a Catholic.
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If all those teachings be dropped by the Church, you no longer have the opportunity to go back to the Catholic Church. For the moment these doctrines are dropped, the Church ceases to exist.
 
phantasm said:
Belief in transubstantiation
Belief that God hears our prayers
Belief that there is a moral law imposed upon man by God
Belief that God or Saints intercede on behalf of man
Belief in miracles
Belief that Bible is the inspired word of God
View on artificial birth control
View on abortion
Belief that man is sinful at birth.
Belief that God required a blood sacrifice to forgive what he himself created.
Belief in God.

Then I’d go back to being a Catholic.
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:crying::nope::nope: I am married to my husband for 42 years. He was atheist and converted only 4 years ago. He began to believe in God 15 years ago through a Jewish scientist.

There is nothing like science to wake you up to the realisation that God exists.

Pursue Truth and study History and this should make you see the light. Maybe. Depends on you and how you respond to the Truth.

🙂
 
Cinette said:
It would not be the Catholic Church! Maybe Janet should put her prejudices aside and take a look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church. There are answers and explanations for everything we believe.

Otherwise I find Janet’s list very funny indeed.:rotfl::rotfl::hmmm::rotfl:
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Hi Cinette,

Why do you find Janet’s list very funny? It seems to me that these points have been honestly and seriously presented as REAL OBSTACLES to joining the Roman Catholic Church.

While I can love and appreciate ALL TRUE CATHOLICS, I could not myself join the Roman Catholic Church. I find Janet’s list to command the utmost respect and attention.

In this context, then, can you please explain why you trivialise her proposals as being very funny?

Cheers, In Christ Craig
 
Craig_Kennedy said:
Hi Cinette,

Why do you find Janet’s list very funny? It seems to me that these points have been honestly and seriously presented as REAL OBSTACLES to joining the Roman Catholic Church.

While I can love and appreciate ALL TRUE CATHOLICS, I could not myself join the Roman Catholic Church. I find Janet’s list to command the utmost respect and attention.

In this context, then, can you please explain why you trivialise her proposals as being very funny?

Cheers, In Christ Craig
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Hello Craig -

You obviously did not see my posting #190 where I acknowledged that I should not have said the list was funny. However, I find the list ridiculous because most of the items are at the very core of the Catholic Church and therefore absurd. I hope Janet will come back for I have not seen her lately. We could have some interesting discussions.

As for you I have to say that I am really really pleased that you are back on CAF. You are one of my favourite Protestants - always respectful and gracious. Sometimes I want to hit you over the head with …something (LOL!) but one can never call you tiresome or boring.

There is another Protestant who is now banned regrettably because although sometimes (only sometimes) he would get out of hand there were moments when he was so special - I will always remember one posting when he opened his heart and showed us his deep love and devotion for Jesus and his spiritual practices and I was so touched. I would like to see more Protestants like you though because you refuse to get ugly.

Love you lots:love:
Cinette
 
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