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dhgray
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I’m a convert. I joined the Roman Catholic Church. We follow the teachings of theVatican. Is my Church not orthodox?
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DaveBj
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From my vantage point in the middle of the Tiber, it looks like orthodox Catholics are those who study the teachings of God and the Church and live by those teachings. I plan to become an orthodox Catholic. Sounds like you already are.
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Mamamull
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An “orthodox” although, “faithful” is a better term – is a Catholic who is in good conscience faithful to the Magisterium of the Church.
That is the general idea. A “cafeteria” Catholic is one who only follows the portions of the faith they like – kind of like the “Church of Bob” instead of the Catholic Church.
As one convert to another, let’s keep our faithfulness and be strong in our convictions.
Mamamull
That is the general idea. A “cafeteria” Catholic is one who only follows the portions of the faith they like – kind of like the “Church of Bob” instead of the Catholic Church.
As one convert to another, let’s keep our faithfulness and be strong in our convictions.
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pittsburghjeff
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Orthodox, in this sense, means “straight”. We do not knowingly depart from the Church’s teachings. We sin, but when we sin we call it sin and not something else.
Although its been a while since I have read it, you may want to pick up G.K. Chesteron’s book “Orthodoxy” for a stidy of the subject.
Although its been a while since I have read it, you may want to pick up G.K. Chesteron’s book “Orthodoxy” for a stidy of the subject.
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Theodora
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An orthodox Catholic is one who adheres to the sound teachings of the Catholic Church.
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dhgray
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BETTER QUESTION: What is an UN-orghodox Catholic?
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Journeyman
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An Orthodox Catholic is a person who can’t make up his own mind, so instead he follows the teachings of the magisterium. He is like a lost sheep following a shepherd. Poor little lost sheep! He knows he can’t figure it all out, so he has to depend on the shepherd to show him the way.
An Orthodox Catholic is not as smart as an Un-Orthodox Catholic. The Un-Orthodox know sin is based on how they feel about sin. They don’t need someone in Rome telling then how to live their lives. Obviously, with all this freedom, the Un-Orthodox gets to live a life with more happiness. Can go to Communion no matter how they live their lives. All this with no guilt.
As for me, I will follow the shepherd. He (they) know better than I do. It took me many years to become a follower, and it is still a struggle, but where HE leads me, I strive to follow. God speaks through the Church. A shame more don’t listen.
An Orthodox Catholic is not as smart as an Un-Orthodox Catholic. The Un-Orthodox know sin is based on how they feel about sin. They don’t need someone in Rome telling then how to live their lives. Obviously, with all this freedom, the Un-Orthodox gets to live a life with more happiness. Can go to Communion no matter how they live their lives. All this with no guilt.
As for me, I will follow the shepherd. He (they) know better than I do. It took me many years to become a follower, and it is still a struggle, but where HE leads me, I strive to follow. God speaks through the Church. A shame more don’t listen.
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Mamamull
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I like to think of the less than faithful Catholics – especially the followers of “Catholic Lite” Less guilt! Feels Free! 
(in their opinions.)
I am a happy lost sheep who needs a spiritual father like our Holy Father to lead me and teach me. I can’t make my own decisions well becuase I really messed up when I was my own God.
I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me, lead me, enlighten me, teach me. To give me His orders and to accept all that He permits to happen to me.
I rely on the Church that Chirst established to instruct me and have a conduit for the Real Presence to come to each us little creatures that were actually in made in God’s image.
Pax et bonum,
Mamamull
(in their opinions.)I am a happy lost sheep who needs a spiritual father like our Holy Father to lead me and teach me. I can’t make my own decisions well becuase I really messed up when I was my own God.
I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me, lead me, enlighten me, teach me. To give me His orders and to accept all that He permits to happen to me.
I rely on the Church that Chirst established to instruct me and have a conduit for the Real Presence to come to each us little creatures that were actually in made in God’s image.
Pax et bonum,
Mamamull
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Scott_Waddell
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I agree that orthodox Catholics are those who adhere to the teachings of the Magisterium. One clue if you are orthodox is if you are attacked both by leftists who accuse you of being conservative (or neocon–a word they seem to have permanently on cntrl-v), and right-wing trads accuse you of being liberal, you are probably on the right track.
My favorite saying is that the leftists and the rad-trads are like the North and South Pole: they may be a world apart, but the dead and deadening landscape is eerily similar.
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My favorite saying is that the leftists and the rad-trads are like the North and South Pole: they may be a world apart, but the dead and deadening landscape is eerily similar.
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dhgray
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That’s a pretty RUDE response Journeyman. Might I introduce you to a class on Christianity. I choose go be come a Catholic. I made up my mind to follow and embrace the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Yep. I’m not as smart at that Priest who has devoted his life to studying the scriptures.
WHY? Because they are smart enough to ask for help. It sounds like an Un-Orghodox Catholic is trying to put himself to say they are as smart as God.
In your world, if I think stealing is OK, then it is not a sin. Do I get the jist of your comment?
1 Cor. 11:27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.
QUOTE=Journeyman]**sin is based on how they feel about sin. **All this with no guilt.
… don’t need someone in Rome telling then how to live their lives. God speaks through the Church.You contradicted yourself. If you are living in sin, ther will be guilt, for Paul tells us in Romans, “all men have sined and falled short…” Therefore, If you feel no guild then you must not know that you are sinning.If God Speasks through the Church and the Church listens to the Pope, then you are listening to the Pope (indirectly). If you are not listening to the Pope, then you are not listening to the Church.
QUOTE=Journeyman]based on how they feelAre you sure you are Catholic?
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madavis
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to me “orthydox Catholic” is one who follows ALL the teachings of the Church and it’s catechisms. It is a term used to denote the difference between a true Catholic (orthydox) and a “Cafeteria” Catholic.
John Kerry would be an example of a “Cafeteria” Catholic, because he doesn’t follow all the teachings of the church. He kind of picks and choses which ones suit him best - Kind of like picking and chosing what you would like to eat in a cafeteria line, hence the term… (I don’t mean to get political or mean to pick on Kerry, but he is just a person everyone knows about that is a good example of what I am talking about).
John Kerry would be an example of a “Cafeteria” Catholic, because he doesn’t follow all the teachings of the church. He kind of picks and choses which ones suit him best - Kind of like picking and chosing what you would like to eat in a cafeteria line, hence the term… (I don’t mean to get political or mean to pick on Kerry, but he is just a person everyone knows about that is a good example of what I am talking about).
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The_Barrister
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I think he was being facetious.
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rfk
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I think you completely missed his sarcasm. In his last paragraph, Journeyman makes clear that he has chosen to “follow the shepherd”, i.e., he is claiming his orthodoxy.
I guess to consider him to be rude, one would have to take offense at him poking fun of heterodoxy.
Often called “Heterodoxy”. Deliberate dissent from Catholic doctrine and dogma on matters of faith and morals. Probably the most common example would be the roughly 90% of American Catholics who do not accept the Church teachings on contraception.
Other terms describing the same topic in the Catechism are:
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pittsburghjeff
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By the way, if you ever hear the expression “heterodox Catholic” that is the opposite of an orthodox Catholic
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Theodora
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One who has an itch to introduce and practice novel approaches not ever considered or approved by the Church.
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BayCityRickL
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Some examples of non-orthodox Catholicism include the fact that some priests, bishops, and lay people – a good number in the United States – openly disagree with the current Pope and previous Popes on some key issues.
Non-orthodox Catholics in general refuse to believe that only men can be ordained priests, as John Paul II has stated in detail, a number of times. This is one dividing issue.
Another is that non-orthodox Catholics in the U.S., in general, are insistent that priests be allowed to marry and that married men be allowed to become priests. The Church has a long history of allowing priests to be married. The issue here is the tradition in the Latin Rite to require priests to be single, in probably over 99% of the cases. The Popes have considered this policy to be the best for many centuries.
Another issue of non-orthodox Catholics is to be rather demanding about sharing power in the Church, which currently is overwhelmingly held by the ordained clergy.
The reasons for not following Church practices such as following well-established rules for celebrating Mass vary greatly, but there is a strong tendency for “liberal” or non-orthodox Catholic clergy to improvise or revise portions of the Mass. Violating the rules is defined as an “abuse” of the liturygy.
And, coupled with the above in varying mixtures, varying with locale, is the practice of liberal/non-orthodox bishops and priests to actually suppress published Church doctrine (teaching).
Some believe that Catholic seminaries have also discriminated against Catholic men who express agreement with Church doctrines. This is so widespread, that some feel it is a reason for the decreasing number of priestly ordinations in dioceses where there is a liberal bishop.
Orthodox Catholics are those who believe the Church doctrines are to be adhered to, that liturgy (Mass) should be celebrated according to the rules, and that the Pope is correct in his assertion that women can never be ordained priests. And, in regards to the latter, that the dignity of women is in no way reduced by that tradition.
There is also a split with regards to the interpretaton of scripture. Among liberals, there is a tendency to be skeptical about whether the Bible is historically accurate and to foster that skepticism, as a means of diminishing the importance of the scripture (Bible). To be specific, the liberals believe that the gospels and the acts of the apostles are “fiction.” You can dig into this matter as deeply as you care to, but as deep as you go, you simply find unsubstantiated skepticism at every level. This skepticism is not new and has been around for hundreds of years, even to the time of Christ.
This is a general picture of the distinction between orthodox and non-orthodox Catholics.
Non-orthodox Catholics in general refuse to believe that only men can be ordained priests, as John Paul II has stated in detail, a number of times. This is one dividing issue.
Another is that non-orthodox Catholics in the U.S., in general, are insistent that priests be allowed to marry and that married men be allowed to become priests. The Church has a long history of allowing priests to be married. The issue here is the tradition in the Latin Rite to require priests to be single, in probably over 99% of the cases. The Popes have considered this policy to be the best for many centuries.
Another issue of non-orthodox Catholics is to be rather demanding about sharing power in the Church, which currently is overwhelmingly held by the ordained clergy.
The reasons for not following Church practices such as following well-established rules for celebrating Mass vary greatly, but there is a strong tendency for “liberal” or non-orthodox Catholic clergy to improvise or revise portions of the Mass. Violating the rules is defined as an “abuse” of the liturygy.
And, coupled with the above in varying mixtures, varying with locale, is the practice of liberal/non-orthodox bishops and priests to actually suppress published Church doctrine (teaching).
Some believe that Catholic seminaries have also discriminated against Catholic men who express agreement with Church doctrines. This is so widespread, that some feel it is a reason for the decreasing number of priestly ordinations in dioceses where there is a liberal bishop.
Orthodox Catholics are those who believe the Church doctrines are to be adhered to, that liturgy (Mass) should be celebrated according to the rules, and that the Pope is correct in his assertion that women can never be ordained priests. And, in regards to the latter, that the dignity of women is in no way reduced by that tradition.
There is also a split with regards to the interpretaton of scripture. Among liberals, there is a tendency to be skeptical about whether the Bible is historically accurate and to foster that skepticism, as a means of diminishing the importance of the scripture (Bible). To be specific, the liberals believe that the gospels and the acts of the apostles are “fiction.” You can dig into this matter as deeply as you care to, but as deep as you go, you simply find unsubstantiated skepticism at every level. This skepticism is not new and has been around for hundreds of years, even to the time of Christ.
This is a general picture of the distinction between orthodox and non-orthodox Catholics.
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sullivansoul
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Ummm…is it possible that the original poster may have heard the term ‘Orthodox Catholic’ in the context of ‘Eastern Orthodox’?
If so, then it is important to point out that the Catholic Church went through a major split almost 1000 years ago, where the East split from the West. This Eastern part of the Catholic Church, or at least its members, occasionally go by the name ‘Orthodox Catholic’.
Hope this helps!
If so, then it is important to point out that the Catholic Church went through a major split almost 1000 years ago, where the East split from the West. This Eastern part of the Catholic Church, or at least its members, occasionally go by the name ‘Orthodox Catholic’.
Hope this helps!
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dhgray
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loyola_rambler
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The terms “orthodox” and “liberal” are completely subjective titles that some people use to distinguish themselves from their fellow Catholics in the pews. It’s a sad statement that anyone feels the need to critique someone else’s level of belief, but that’s what we’re really talking about here.
We are ALL Catholic. Some of us struggle with certain issues, but can accept the final ruling from the Pope. Others can’t accept the Pope’s teachings and try challenging them on some level. Others question nothing and accept everything. Does any of us have a quicker path to heaven? Well, from what I’ve seen of those who need to impose labels on themselves and others, the answer is no. We all have our own struggles, just some of us are forthright about them and others hide them from public view.
In the end, the question is do you understand the teachings of Jesus and His apostles? Do you work on your own spiritual development and seek help with your struggles? Can you live not only the Ten Commandments, but also the Beatitudes, the Great Commandment and the admonition not to wear your faith on your sleeve? Do you do things because they’re the right thing to do and not because there’s “something in it for you”, whether financial, spiritual or PR? Then you’re a good Catholic. To me, that’s really the only title I’m looking for in this world…“Good Catholic”.
We are ALL Catholic. Some of us struggle with certain issues, but can accept the final ruling from the Pope. Others can’t accept the Pope’s teachings and try challenging them on some level. Others question nothing and accept everything. Does any of us have a quicker path to heaven? Well, from what I’ve seen of those who need to impose labels on themselves and others, the answer is no. We all have our own struggles, just some of us are forthright about them and others hide them from public view.
In the end, the question is do you understand the teachings of Jesus and His apostles? Do you work on your own spiritual development and seek help with your struggles? Can you live not only the Ten Commandments, but also the Beatitudes, the Great Commandment and the admonition not to wear your faith on your sleeve? Do you do things because they’re the right thing to do and not because there’s “something in it for you”, whether financial, spiritual or PR? Then you’re a good Catholic. To me, that’s really the only title I’m looking for in this world…“Good Catholic”.
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robertaf
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WOW!
Loyola that was awesome and right to the point.
Really got me thinking, too. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_201.gif
Loyola that was awesome and right to the point.
Really got me thinking, too. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_201.gif
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