What the Popes Have to Say About Socialism

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“The dream of re-shaping society will bring socialism
“But stranger still, alarming and saddening at the same time, are the audacity and frivolity of men who call themselves Catholics and dream of re-shaping society under such conditions, and of establishing on earth, over and beyond the pale of the Catholic Church, ‘the reign of love and justice’ … What are they going to produce? … A mere verbal and chimerical construction in which we shall see, glowing in a jumble, and in seductive confusion, the words Liberty, Justice, Fraternity, Love, Equality, and human exultation, all resting upon an ill-understood human dignity. It will be a tumultuous agitation, sterile for the end proposed, but which will benefit the less Utopian exploiters of the people.”
 
what does the progressive movement have to do with consumerism?
 
hawwahh said:
what does the progressive movement have to do with consumerism?
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It’s all based on breaking the Commandment against coveting thy neighbor’s sports car, or his swimming pool. Taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots. The poor in America may have to settle for a Kia rather than a Lexus, but they certainly have more than enough food, such that the First Lady is trying to raise awareness of an national epidemic of gluttony.
 
Teresita99 said:
It’s all based on breaking the Commandment against coveting thy neighbor’s sports car, or his swimming pool. Taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots. The poor in America may have to settle for a Kia rather than a Lexus, but they certainly have more than enough food, such that the First Lady is trying to raise awareness of an national epidemic of gluttony.
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I don’t know what rock you have been living under; but have seen enough starving people to assure you that the “have-nots” actually HAVE NOT enough food to sustain their bodies. and who will feed their children? misfortune and sickness can happen to anyone. someday even YOU could fall into poverty because of no fault of your own. if you consider “the poor” to be those who drive a KIA, they are not. “the poor” maybe have a bus pass (if they’re lucky!) or an abandoned shopping cart. maybe you should do some kind of charity work? i think it would make you appalled at what you just said.
 
ManOnFire said:
Where is the consumerism being glorified and advertised? The entertainment media.
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I agree, the Entertainment Media is having a horrific effect on our culture! i just don’t think that’s part of the progressive movement. i guess we’ll have to agree to dissagree. 🙂
 
hawwahh said:
I don’t know what rock you have been living under; but have seen enough starving people to assure you that the “have-nots” actually HAVE NOT enough food to sustain their bodies. and who will feed their children? misfortune and sickness can happen to anyone. someday even YOU could fall into poverty because of no fault of your own. if you consider “the poor” to be those who drive a KIA, they are not. “the poor” maybe have a bus pass (if they’re lucky!) or an abandoned shopping cart. maybe you should do some kind of charity work? i think it would make you appalled at what you just said.
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Do you live in the US? Where are the hordes of starving skin-on-bones near-death people? I was under the impression that the US has an obesity problem. I worked in inner city New York for years. There are homeless, but pro-homeless organizations say to never give money directly to the homeless because many of them have substance abuse addictions and mental conditions. The breakup of the nuclear family leads to much of this poverty. Maybe the govt. should step in and restore the beauty of innocence to our society by cleaning up the pop culture media! Good intentions and financial help are only band-aids. As long as society keeps supporting irresponsible behavior, where’s the motivation to change? Your position fails to provide a solution, although it certainly helps to make one feel good as though one is actually helping, even though it is only a fantasy. One can make the argument that yours is a selfish postion because your good intentions don’t involve a reasonable solution. Many well-wishers don’t have to sacrifice anything of their own to feel good. If we all boycotted the lewd media by turning it off, we’d provide a solution to the breaking up of the nuclear family, but then the well-wishers would need to sacrifice their precious entertaniment media. Then we’d find out the committment level of the well-wishers. I think we all know how that would turn out. How long until the number of people on govt. support GROWS until they outvote the taxpayers into socialism, which would kill democracy, the American way, freedom, and the very tax revenues that have built the opportunity for wealth relative to the world???
 
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