What to celebrate on the coming feast days

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Our religious calendar has the Solemnity of St Joseph, Husband of Mary moved from Holy Week to the Saturday before Palm Sunday.

On the Radio, our bishop announced that he was allowing (because of a large Irish population) us to celebrate St Patrick’s day on the Saturday before Palm Sunday.

When praying the LOTH, would I
  1. have an option which to celebrate
  2. MUST celebrate the Solemnity as it supersedes a Feast
  3. MUST celebrate St Patrick’s day in obedience and Move the Solemnity (say to the previous day: Friday… hence no Abstinence)
  4. Celebrate St Patrick’s day and drop the Solemnity :eek:
  5. Call the Chancery and plead for clarification
  6. Sleep all day Saturday and avoid all prayers
  7. Pray that there is a train wreck and I die in the crash
What pearls of wisdom can you give me in my agony 😊
 
Sit back, have a nice plate of corned beef and cabbage, and wash it down with a guiness.
 
idrum677 said:
Sit back, have a nice plate of corned beef and cabbage, and wash it down with a guiness.
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I believe my Irish wife will be providing the corned beef and cabbage, but I’m thinking the loss of the guinness will be a lenton observance. The celebratin’ must wait for the comin’ of the saviour.

I’ll raise one in His name come Easter. 👍
 
Evan said:
I believe my Irish wife will be providing the corned beef and cabbage, but I’m thinking the loss of the guinness will be a lenton observance. The celebratin’ must wait for the comin’ of the saviour.

I’ll raise one in His name come Easter. 👍
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😃 I’ll drink to that!
 
Evan said:
Hi

Our religious calendar has the Solemnity of St Joseph, Husband of Mary moved from Holy Week to the Saturday before Palm Sunday.

On the Radio, our bishop announced that he was allowing (because of a large Irish population) us to celebrate St Patrick’s day on the Saturday before Palm Sunday.

When praying the LOTH, would I
  1. have an option which to celebrate
  2. MUST celebrate the Solemnity as it supersedes a Feast
  3. MUST celebrate St Patrick’s day in obedience and Move the Solemnity (say to the previous day: Friday… hence no Abstinence)
  4. Celebrate St Patrick’s day and drop the Solemnity :eek:
  5. Call the Chancery and plead for clarification
  6. Sleep all day Saturday and avoid all prayers
  7. Pray that there is a train wreck and I die in the crash
What pearls of wisdom can you give me in my agony 😊
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(1) you do not have such an option.
(2) seems to be correct and (4) incorrect. You must celebrate the solemnity. St. Joseph as a Solemnity on the Universal calendar would outrank St. Patrick, EVEN if the latter was primary patron or titular and thus merited the rank of Solemnity.
Re: (3) you cannot transfer St. Joseph’s of your own accord (5) is always a good option. (6) is definitely a non-no. (7) will be mean because there’ll presumably be a lot of other people in the train and it’ll cause a lot of damage and unneeded loss.

I’m wondering why your bishop didn’t just put St. Patrick’s on the Friday. I had read that some bishops did just that
 
I believe that Pope Benedict has assigned the feast day for St. Patrick to Friday March 14. I know our Bishop has issued a dispensation for us to eat meat on that day.

Yours,
David
 
stanthonyserver said:
I believe that Pope Benedict has assigned the feast day for St. Patrick to Friday March 14. I know our Bishop has issued a dispensation for us to eat meat on that day.

Yours,
David
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Our bishop said that he was moving it FROM Friday to Saturday so we could abstain from meat on Friday. So I think, out of obedience to the desires of our bishop, we will have to abstain… even if we celebrate on Friday.

My biggest difficulty is I am teaching a class during Lent on how to pray the LOTH and this week we are doing the Proper of Saints and Hierarchy of celebrations. Just when this comes up. :o
 
It has been moved to the friday only in those dioceses that have St. Patrick as their patron saint. and of course in Ireland. For the rest of the Church the feast has been abrogated this year.
 
Evan said:
Our bishop said that he was moving it FROM Friday to Saturday so we could abstain from meat on Friday. So I think, out of obedience to the desires of our bishop, we will have to abstain… even if we celebrate on Friday.

My biggest difficulty is I am teaching a class during Lent on how to pray the LOTH and this week we are doing the Proper of Saints and Hierarchy of celebrations. Just when this comes up. :o
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Hmmmm…you should call your chancery. I’d be quite interested in the answer, since it seems to me that St. Patrick can’t be celebrated liturgically at all (solemnities barring Masses that aren’t of the solemnity)
 
Joannm said:
It has been moved to the friday only in those dioceses that have St. Patrick as their patron saint. and of course in Ireland. For the rest of the Church the feast has been abrogated this year.
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If the bishop had not said anything on his weekly radio program, THAT is EXACTLY what I would have taught. Very Good.
 
AJV said:
Hmmmm…you should call your chancery. I’d be quite interested in the answer, since it seems to me that St. Patrick can’t be celebrated liturgically at all (solemnities barring Masses that aren’t of the solemnity)
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Yet the bishop is celebrating a mass at Seattle’s Plymouth Congregational Church as part of “Irish Week” ( seattlearch.org/FormationAndEducation/Progress/IrishWeek03-06-08.htm ) The Mass is held annually in the Protestant church to symbolize the desire for peace between Catholics and Protestants. But the bishop may be celebrating the Mass of St Joseph even though it is part of the Irish Week events.
 
I finally found what I need on the Diocese web site: seattlearch.org/WorshipAndSacraments/Liturgy/lityr0405.htm

Saint Patrick’s Day - 2008
In 2008, the traditional date of Saint Patrick’s day (March 17) falls on Monday of Holy Week. Therefore, in the Archdiocese of Seattle, the feast will not be commemorated liturgically.

So any ‘celebration’ the bishop refers to is merely a secular remembrance not a liturgical commemoration.
 
St. Joseph is a Universal Solemnity. Furthermore, he is patron of the Universal Church. Inasmuch as I respect the Irish, I would have to say that for LOTH purposes, St. Joseph outranks St. Patrick.

Next to the Blessed Virgin Mary, St. Joseph holds a unique pride of place in the Church. He was the head of the Holy Family and had the special privilege of being foster-father to Our Lord.

Please know that this is nothing against St. Patrick; however, St. Joseph does rank a lot higher on the pecking order, in my opinion.
 
benedictgal said:
St. Joseph is a Universal Solemnity. Furthermore, he is patron of the Universal Church. Inasmuch as I respect the Irish, I would have to say that for LOTH purposes, St. Joseph outranks St. Patrick.

Next to the Blessed Virgin Mary, St. Joseph holds a unique pride of place in the Church. He was the head of the Holy Family and had the special privilege of being foster-father to Our Lord.

Please know that this is nothing against St. Patrick; however, St. Joseph does rank a lot higher on the pecking order, in my opinion.
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I agree, and as I was born on St. Joseph’s day, and He is my patron saint, I think I’m Bias’d
 
So we will celebrate at the Mass for St Joseph and with all the prayers that are for his day in LOTH. But since it is a solemnity, we can feel free to eat an Irish Feast and drink Guinness .

I know that when they had my brother-in-law’s mother’s funernal on March 20, they had all the readings for St Joseph since the 19th was on a Sunday that year and the celebration was moved to Monday the 20th.
 
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