What to do? Should I give or not?

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Hi Everyone,

Have you ever driven in the street and come up to an intersection and there are several homeless people with signs out saying they need help, they are homeless veterans, they need work? (most don’t I heard, they just have it to get sympathy).

I used to give money to those people all the time, maybe a $1, $5 or even sometimes $20 if I don’t have change. But then again, I see the same person in the street corners all the time and know that some people are making minimum wage at $5.25 an hour. At least those people are working instead of getting a free handout. Because of that, I give less, maybe $1 or $2.

During weekends in San Diego, the Union/Tribune hire people (usually very poor) to sell newspaper at street corners. Now those people I don’t mind giving 100% tip as they are doing a service. They are working and helping themselves instead of looking for a free handout. But it seems like some of the homeless people are also in the same location as those newspaper sellers! What nerve I thought. Imagine yourself working at a street corner walking back and forth to sell $1 Sunday newspaper and a young homeless man doing the same, but instead of selling, he wants money.

Another thing that I noticed more is that some of the homeless people are very young or middle age, really fit and seem very strong. Some are in the mid 20s. I see many young women begging now and they are not dressed in rags. Occassionally I would see old men in rags begging. Those I would be more willing to give. When I say begging, it is not like you’re at a gas station and a nice gentleman come up to you to ask for some money because he ran out of gas (his car is there), it is perpetual begging. I see them all the time.

I’ve talked with a Jesuits priest, also my spiritual director, who told me to never give to the homeless in the street. He told me it is a great harm I’m doing these people, making them dependent on handouts - reducing their dignity. He told me that there are numerous organizations to help the homeless and that if I see a homeless, I should point out these organizations to them. These organizations would rehabilitate them and get them working again. Since we don’t know what these people will be doing with the money we give them (food, alcohol, drugs, sex… who knows), it is best to give to an organization to help them.

In third world countries, poor people who begs are usually those who are unable to work and is disabled (like those in the Bible). The only way they can get food is to beg. But here, it seems, poor people want more than food… I bought some food for them and they were surprised I am giving them food. They are not hungry!

Yet, I still feel guilty driving pass them and not giving anything as I was taught when growing up to give to the poor… What do you do if you were in my case?

Warmest regards,
-Ben
 
Hi Ben:

I live in Los Angeles so you can imagine our homeless problem is quite large. Clearly, it is impossible to give to everyone ( or at least it is on my budget). This may sound hokey, but I give when I feel moved to, probably 75% of the time no one has asked me for money. I was at an Arby’s and there was an old homeless man in front of me. He had $1 for coffee. I gave him $5. I saw a farily young couple with their stuff in a shopping cart. They were down on their luck. They didn’t say anything to me but I gave them $20. Another time an old man was walking thru traffice stopped at a light with a cup - I gave him $5. One time last winter I went to Goodwill and bought a coat and gloves for an old woman. Sometimes I just feel moved to help and I always (no exceptions) feel very blessed after I do. A priest told me once that such opportunities are sent by God and are opportunities for grace. That we shouldn’t tell God that this wasn’t the kind of person we had in mind - we wanted someone more “worthy”. He said it’s not for us to decide who is and is not “worthy”, and I agree. I wish I could do more but I’m happy and thankful I can help at all. Hope this helps. 🙂
 
If I were you… I’d follow the advice of my spiritual director.

He is right. In the US, unlike other countries, there are social services and private charities in place to help those who are needy. The really homeless & needy people don’t usually beg. I sidewalk counsel outside Planned Parenthood-- in a really bad part of town-- and the homeless people that hang out down there never ask us for money. They do pray with us sometimes, though!

About 99% of the people on the street corner with a sign, begging, are con artists. Give your money directly to the charities equipped to screen and help these individuals.

If you feel really compelled to give something, buy fast food “dollars”-- McDonalds and those places have small denomination booklets-- and give them those instead of cash. I think you will find that most of these people will curse you out if you give them food instead of cash.
 
There was a write up in my paper about the people who make a living hanging out on the corner with the signs that say Will Work For Food. A reporter interviewed a few of them, and they said most people will just give them money. They actually take in quite a bit.

Two weeks ago my dd and I saw a woman with a sign that said she was Traveling Through, Broke and Hungry. My daughter was upset with me that I didn’t give her something. The next week the lady was still there with the same sign. My daughter said, “I guess she didn’t travel very far”

I’m sure there might be people legitimately in need, but I want to give to the organizations that make sure the people who need it, get it. I support our parish’s outreach organization, as well as outreach programs in our community. At least then I know that it will go to someone who truly needs it, and not someone whose full time job is standing on a street corner with a sign.

Arlene
 
a better more productive response than handing out quarters and dollar bills would be to become active in any ministry to the homeless in your diocese, by volunteering if you are able, or at least with financial support. Spending some time in a soup kitchen or shelter will quickly disabuse you of mistaken notions about “who is homeless” in this country, and why they are homeless. also not everyone begging on the street is homeless, by some begging is considered their livelihood. From my experience in over 10 years serving meals at a soup kitchen and providing resources at shelters, the “homeless” includes people of every age and gender. For most of them the condition is temporary, because like most people they are one paycheck away from disaster. But for most of the “chronics” mental illness or substance abuse (by no means the same thing) is the number one common denominator.

we are cautioned here by priests and social ministry people on both sides of the border not to give handouts to street beggars in the border towns and along the bridges between US and Mexico. These people including the children are usually working for a padrino who takes everything they collect and gives them a pittance. Much better to find the local church and give the money to the priest who will see it is directed where it can do the most good, in providing actual commodities and services.
 
In Tempe, AZ (home to ASU) there are many people on the streets asking for $.
Leaving a Circle K one evening, I came upon a group of 5 or 6 young people waiting outside to ask for money from folks leaving the store. They had a dog with them as many of the street people do in Tempe.
I went back into the store and bought a bag of dog food, came out and gave it to them. No one said a word.
They were young, able bodied and could work. The poor dog was a captive to their scheme so I figured he deserved some consideration.

If they really seem needy, I always give, if I have it. You can usually get a sense of the person’s situation.
 
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ble:
Hi Everyone,

Have you ever driven in the street and come up to an intersection and there are several homeless people with signs out saying they need help, they are homeless veterans, they need work? (most don’t I heard, they just have it to get sympathy).

I used to give money to those people all the time, maybe a $1, $5 or even sometimes $20 if I don’t have change. But then again, I see the same person in the street corners all the time and know that some people are making minimum wage at $5.25 an hour. At least those people are working instead of getting a free handout. Because of that, I give less, maybe $1 or $2.

During weekends in San Diego, the Union/Tribune hire people (usually very poor) to sell newspaper at street corners. Now those people I don’t mind giving 100% tip as they are doing a service. They are working and helping themselves instead of looking for a free handout. But it seems like some of the homeless people are also in the same location as those newspaper sellers! What nerve I thought. Imagine yourself working at a street corner walking back and forth to sell $1 Sunday newspaper and a young homeless man doing the same, but instead of selling, he wants money.

Another thing that I noticed more is that some of the homeless people are very young or middle age, really fit and seem very strong. Some are in the mid 20s. I see many young women begging now and they are not dressed in rags. Occassionally I would see old men in rags begging. Those I would be more willing to give. When I say begging, it is not like you’re at a gas station and a nice gentleman come up to you to ask for some money because he ran out of gas (his car is there), it is perpetual begging. I see them all the time.

I’ve talked with a Jesuits priest, also my spiritual director, who told me to never give to the homeless in the street. He told me it is a great harm I’m doing these people, making them dependent on handouts - reducing their dignity. He told me that there are numerous organizations to help the homeless and that if I see a homeless, I should point out these organizations to them. These organizations would rehabilitate them and get them working again. Since we don’t know what these people will be doing with the money we give them (food, alcohol, drugs, sex… who knows), it is best to give to an organization to help them.

In third world countries, poor people who begs are usually those who are unable to work and is disabled (like those in the Bible). The only way they can get food is to beg. But here, it seems, poor people want more than food… I bought some food for them and they were surprised I am giving them food. They are not hungry!

Yet, I still feel guilty driving pass them and not giving anything as I was taught when growing up to give to the poor… What do you do if you were in my case?

Warmest regards,
-Ben
"Give to the one who asks of you, and do not turn your back on one who wants to borrow. "-Jesus

I think that you can give to someone who asks and not be afraid of doing the wrong thing. If in fact they are cheaters, that is their problem. If they aren’t, you haven’t missed a chance to do the right thing.

Jesus didn’t say

“Check their credentials.”

peace

-Jim
 
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trogiah:
Jesus didn’t say

“Check their credentials.”
No, He certainly didn’t. But he did ask that we love our neighbors. And there is wisdom in the saying "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

Giving money, time or other donations to a local social service agency is a very good way of actually helping people get back on their feet. If you want to make a direct, hands-on contribution to improving the lives of those who are struggling just contact your local Catholic Worker house. Or perhaps your local St. Vincent de Paul Society. Or ask your parish Social Action committee. All of them will have good ideas of how you help others in constructive ways.
 
I agree with most of the above posts. I usually give food. When a guy is down on his luck, I’ll buy him lunch. This way I know that the money isn’t used for drugs, alchahol, or just wasted on something useless. I typically use this time to talk to them about Jesus.
 
Heres my experience …my son goes to a private school in another city and we were taking him to catch a greyhound bus. Parking was a problem so we very limitedly parked at a Tim Hortons knowing we couldn’t stay too long…my husband opened his door and this guy while holding a cell phone to his ear and conversing between the phone and my husband says my mother has just taken a turn for the worst and I need money to get to her. He went on to say she was in a town 1/2 hour tops from the city. I suspected it was a scam but watched my husband give him
$ 2.00 . We walked our son to the bus station and saw him off safely. When we returned to our vehicle we watched this guy do the same thing to evreyone on both sides of the street …holding the cell phone and asking for money!!! :mad: My husband said I bet the phone is dead and he uses it as a prop…
I hate giving money to strangers and would rather buy them a meal anyday
So I vote NO to giving money to street ppl. I have 2 more stories but this one happened this past Oct.
 
I live in a big city and I get hit by these street beggers all the time. Some of them may be trying to supplement their social security checks (you don’t have to be crippled to get SSDI) others may be alcoholics or drug addicts. I also noticed the beggers are getting younger and younger. A couple months ago a teen boy stopped on a street near me on a bicycle saying he lost his bus money to get home. I gave him some money and then it hit me…why couldn’t he just ride home on his bicycle?? LOL A nother time a well dressed girl sitting on a park bench said she was hungry and needed money to buy a sandwhich…I didn’t have any change at the time, but I wondered if she was collecting money to buy drugs. You know what gets me…there are genuinely old and sick people, there are sick people trying to hold on to their jobs, there are people working for minimum wage and yet they don’t stand on corners asking for spare change. I think you have to use discretion. I’m not giving any more money to those working 8 hrs a day panhandling!.
 
It isn’t often I try to take a stand against the majority but I think in this case I have to try.

There was a story in the paper recently about short term loans and the high interest they charge. The particular example they gave (which was probably under the worst cases) was a women who had medical expenses and couldn’t pay the doctor’s bill and didn’t want to ask for help from friends (“I will never be a beggar”) and so she borrowed 300 at outrageous interest rates and ended up paying 2000. (Actually friends and family helped bail her out.)

The question I would have for her and for others is “Why not ask for help sooner?”

I suspect that she would have been a person who would say, like so many in this thread that “If someone is asking for help, there is probably something wrong with them.”

Giving a few coins to someone who asks is not just about helping someone out. It is also about keeping ourselves out of the trap that this woman set for herself.

While I will agree that teaching a person to fish is better than giving someone a fish, Walking by someone and not giving anything at all is not better than giving them a fish.

Now I don’t know anyone who has posted to this thread so perhaps those who say “It is better to give to a social service agency” actually do. I am confident that some actually do.

I remain certain that it is very much with the teachings of Jesus to give a few coins to the person that asks. We don’t even have to believe the stories they tell about why they need it. But a brief look in the eye, a sincere “Merry Christmas” and a little change don’t cost me much and in no way do they add to any societal problem.

I budget for it when I go to Portland to shop. I put a dollar in one pocket so I am ready when someone asks and then I put another it when I get panhandled. This last trip that cost me less than half of what I paid for parking. (And I got a good deal on parking)

It is partly about keeping my conscience clear, and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.

If I actually have the time and energy to do something more substantial for the downtrodden in society, then I am still free to do that.

Merry Christmas.

-Jim
 
We budget our “charity” money according to the suggested 5% to your parish, 1% to the Bishop’s Appeal, and 4% to other charities. We look through our church envelopes and see what second collections are coming up and write out checks for however much we want to give to them. If there is anything left over, we give to EWTN and anything else that comes up (pieces of mail asking for donations, Salvation Army volunteers, and panhandlers). And seeing how we are giving up a second car to be able to afford this charity money, we don’t feel guilty not giving after it is all gone 🙂
 
I think it depends… folks actually sleeping on grates really need the help… folks panhandling are fairly iffy, probably trying to make a few extra bucks or maybe trying to feed a habit.

Two incidents, one guy came up to us in an eatery type establishment, saying he was hungry and so we bought him something from one of the vendors… he took one bite and tossed it in the trash.

another approached us by a homeless shelter claiming they required a few dollars to be able to stay there… we offered to escort him to the establishment and to pay his way in… as we approached the door way he ran off, because the shelter does NOT require payment AND they specifically tell their clients NOT to panhandle anywhere close to the shelter.

Most of my charity goes to social organizations either run by Churches or otehr groups. We had a social worker explain how most homeless folks live. The vast majority of them are paranoid schizophrenic or with some other minor mental illness. Most times they will stay away from people hiding during the day, and maybe only approaching shelters or soup kitchens in the evenings, and sometimes only once or twice a week…

Very very few will actually panhandle as they are afraid of people.

SO, who are the pan handlers ???

some of them are out there 8 hours a day, so they probably can’t have a regular job at least not a daytime job, some may be out there part time supplementing an income to make ends meet, some may be feeding some sort of drug or alchohol addiction.

I can understand trying to make ends meet by begging. IF you can’t get by on a small income, that would be acceptable If you have a family to feed and you can’t do better otherwise, that’s fine.

I don’t want to be supporting some sort of addiction, and I don’t want to supplementing someone income who doesn’t need it. A few year ago (maybe 10 or 15) they found a lot of cash in a “beggar’s” summer home in Florida. He was handicapped, but he owned a bar in DC and supplemented his income by sitting on the street and begging. - actually he didn’t even have to ask. he just sat on a street corner and folks tossed money into his hat.

Even when I was a young kid ages ago, even I remember tossing a few coins at him on more than one occasion. He must have been out there for 20 or 30 years. He was a pitiful sight, but if folks knew he had a successful business he wouldn’t have collected a dime.

The thing is you can’t tell the needy from the greedy without a score card.
 
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