What to do with all of the unwanted babies?

[GRATEFULONEjim]

AS A CATHOLIC AND PRO-LIFE, I AM OFTEN ASKED “IF ABORTION WAS ILLEGAL,WHAT WOULD SOCIETY DO WITH ALL OF THE UNWANTED BABIES?” I REPLY THAT PARENTS WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THERE ACTIONS AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. WE KNOW THAT WILL NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE, AND THAT GOVERNMENT CAN NOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THIS. I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE ANY (name removed by moderator)UT FROM THE READERS TO HELP ME GIVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING TO THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE.
GOD BLESS
GREATFULONEjim

 

[scott1228]

The question is mis-stated. There are no such things as unwanted babies. God creates life and loves each human person. It would be better rephrased as what to do with the babies whose parents do not want them? Answer, give them to parents that do.

As long as there is a consequence to the action, the unexpected pregnancies would decrease. Since there is now an easy way to avoid responsibility, there is no need for people to take responsibility.

Scott

 

[gardenswithkids]

We can easily solve the problem of “unwanted babies” by wanting babies.

People do want babies. Interesting that as abortion rates increase, people with infertility problems turned to extra-ordinary means to make babies. (IVF created another moral question: What do we do with all the “unwanted” frozen embryos?) Infertile couples wanting a baby used to adopt them. Some still do, but there are fewer babies available for adoption because of abortion.

First we separated love-making from baby-making, then we separated baby-making from love-making. People want babies, and people *want *to make love–we’ve somehow forgotten that the activity that makes one, makes the other.

 

[FAB]

the problem is with the very expression of Unwanted. All human life is prescious. The conscience of the county needs to be changes to see that life is to be respected and celebrated.
The Church offers help to those mothers who may need help with medical help and even adoption. THERE ARE OPTIONS!
Peace, FAB

 

[1ke]

If abortion were not legal, people would do what they did before 1973:

(a) change their behavior
(b) parent their children
(c) place their children for adoption

 

[TamM]

We promote Adoption!!

We could also make it easier for people who aren’t rich but loving, who maybe are single but pyschologically and financially sound, etc

 

[Swan]

We promote Adoption!!

We could also make it easier for people who aren’t rich but loving, who maybe are single but pyschologically and financially sound, etc

So far you are the only one with a response that even comes close to answering the question in a practical way.

There have always been kids that the parents didn’t want or were incapable or taking care of. There always will be. It’s a sad fact, but a fact nontheless. Ignoring it with “we’ll make every child wanted” platitudes helps these kids not one bit. You need to see the enormity of the problem here. And take a long hard look at the world at the same time. There are always numerous threads on CAF about the role of the government and social welfare programs. Private charity can’t handle the problems we’ve got now (actually, the gov can’t either but does have more resources). So who is going to take care of these kids? Who is going to pay for it? What about mixed race kids and children of color - I understand the adoption rates are much lower for them. What about kids with serious health issues - who’ll pay for their treatment? Just look at the foster care system in this country. Many are problem kids and guess what? From the low rate of good foster care families, I’d say most folks don’t want them, as horrible as that is. We can’t take care of the kids we’ve got now, for pete’s sake. So, please, if anyone has any real, practical solutions, let’s hear them.

 

[GRATEFULONEjim]

So far you are the only one with a response that even comes close to answering the question in a practical way.

There have always been kids that the parents didn’t want or were incapable or taking care of. There always will be. It’s a sad fact, but a fact nontheless. Ignoring it with “we’ll make every child wanted” platitudes helps these kids not one bit. You need to see the enormity of the problem here. And take a long hard look at the world at the same time. There are always numerous threads on CAF about the role of the government and social welfare programs. Private charity can’t handle the problems we’ve got now (actually, the gov can’t either but does have more resources). So who is going to take care of these kids? Who is going to pay for it? What about mixed race kids and children of color - I understand the adoption rates are much lower for them. What about kids with serious health issues - who’ll pay for their treatment? Just look at the foster care system in this country. Many are problem kids and guess what? From the low rate of good foster care families, I’d say most folks don’t want them, as horrible as that is. We can’t take care of the kids we’ve got now, for pete’s sake. So, please, if anyone has any real, practical solutions, let’s hear them.

YES, THIS IS WHAT I NEED. I WORK WITH MANY THAT ARE PRO-CHOICE[ABORTION] AND I NEED SOME GOOD, SOLID FACTS TO REPLY TO THE CONSTANT BARRAGE OF THOSE WHO DO NOT HOLD LIFE AS SACRED AS I DO.
GREATFULONEjim

 

[1ke]

YES, THIS IS WHAT I NEED. I WORK WITH MANY THAT ARE PRO-CHOICE[ABORTION] AND I NEED SOME GOOD, SOLID FACTS TO REPLY TO THE CONSTANT BARRAGE OF THOSE WHO DO NOT HOLD LIFE AS SACRED AS I DO.
GREATFULONEjim

I recommend Randy Alcorn’s book Pro-Life Answers To Pro-Choice Arguments. It’s excellent.
It has many facts, statistics, and answers to the social, political, emotional, financial, and biological aspects abortion. It covers the socio-economic arguments you are likely encountering, including debunking the “back alley abortion” myth.

 

[Mermaid_Mama]

Just to help those reading, could you stop posting in all-caps? Not only is it harder to read, it’s the internet equivalent of shouting.

 

[GRATEFULONEjim]

I recommend Randy Alcorn’s book Pro-Life Answers To Pro-Choice Arguments. It’s excellent.
It has many facts, statistics, and answers to the social, political, emotional, financial, and biological aspects abortion. It covers the socio-economic arguments you are likely encountering, including debunking the “back alley abortion” myth.

:thumbsup:thanx,and god bless:
GREATFULONEjim

 

[FAB]

So far you are the only one with a response that even comes close to answering the question in a practical way.

There have always been kids that the parents didn’t want or were incapable or taking care of. There always will be. It’s a sad fact, but a fact nontheless. Ignoring it with “we’ll make every child wanted” platitudes helps these kids not one bit. You need to see the enormity of the problem here. And take a long hard look at the world at the same time. There are always numerous threads on CAF about the role of the government and social welfare programs. Private charity can’t handle the problems we’ve got now (actually, the gov can’t either but does have more resources). So who is going to take care of these kids? Who is going to pay for it? What about mixed race kids and children of color - I understand the adoption rates are much lower for them. What about kids with serious health issues - who’ll pay for their treatment? Just look at the foster care system in this country. Many are problem kids and guess what? From the low rate of good foster care families, I’d say most folks don’t want them, as horrible as that is. We can’t take care of the kids we’ve got now, for pete’s sake. So, please, if anyone has any real, practical solutions, let’s hear them.

Your answer to all of this is to follow the word of Christ. If evey Christian and any of the others represented by the symbles you posted fully and completely stepped up to the plate, all thse questions would be taken care of. I know the Catholic Church already adresses all these issues through Catholic Charities and other organizations. Just because there are problems, doesn’t mean that death of the unborn is required. What a cold heatless way of looking at the life and needs of children. If this country were to choose life, and put as much effort and money into defending life, as organizations such as Planned Parenthood put into ending it these issues would be solved.
Examle, Planned Parenthood in Houston is building what will be the largest abortion clinic in Texas. It is costing millions. Just think of how many adoptions, how many health issues solved, how that money could be used to help children could be helped with that money. But instead, how many thousand of inocent children will be put to death without any reason than they are not wanted. May God have mercy on us all!

FAB

 

[Swan]

Your answer to all of this is to follow the word of Christ. If evey Christian and any of the others represented by the symbles you posted fully and completely stepped up to the plate, all thse questions would be taken care of. I know the Catholic Church already adresses all these issues through Catholic Charities and other organizations. Just because there are problems, doesn’t mean that death of the unborn is required. What a cold heatless way of looking at the life and needs of children. If this country were to choose life, and put as much effort and money into defending life, as organizations such as Planned Parenthood put into ending it these issues would be solved.
Examle, Planned Parenthood in Houston is building what will be the largest abortion clinic in Texas. It is costing millions. Just think of how many adoptions, how many health issues solved, how that money could be used to help children could be helped with that money. But instead, how many thousand of inocent children will be put to death without any reason than they are not wanted. May God have mercy on us all!

FAB

I know you mean this sincerely, but it really isn’t an answer. We aren’t going to magicallyl stop people from doing irresponsible things and unwanted kids will be the result. The question is not so much what to do with the parents as it is what to do with the kids. There are going to be women who for one reason or another - it doesn’t matter the reason - who are not going to keep their kids. So who will take care of them? What resources will they use? Forget the parents - you many be able to talk some into keeping their kids, but probably not nearly all of them. The poorest women, the women of color, the women whose kids have health issues and birth defects - these are going to be the majority of the ones that will need care, care the parents cannot or will not provide.
I’m not saying one should have ideals, but you have to be practical too. Expecting all these parents to suddenly change their behavior isn’t practical. What will you do with the children?

 

[The_Proselyte]

I know you mean this sincerely, but it really isn’t an answer. We aren’t going to magicallyl stop people from doing irresponsible things and unwanted kids will be the result. The question is not so much what to do with the parents as it is what to do with the kids. There are going to be women who for one reason or another - it doesn’t matter the reason - who are not going to keep their kids. So who will take care of them? What resources will they use? Forget the parents - you many be able to talk some into keeping their kids, but probably not nearly all of them. The poorest women, the women of color, the women whose kids have health issues and birth defects - these are going to be the majority of the ones that will need care, care the parents cannot or will not provide.
I’m not saying one should have ideals, but you have to be practical too. Expecting all these parents to suddenly change their behavior isn’t practical. What will you do with the children?

:clapping: Thank you on so many levels, Swan! I asked questions somewhat similar to these on another message board, and of course, they went ignored. Instead of someone replying, “You know, we just don’t have the answer to what should be done once children are born to parents who just aren’t willing to raise them, but that’s something we need to look deeply into,” we choose to ignore the situation all together. Yes, the needs of an unborn child are important, and so is his/her needs once he/she is born! I’m one who doesn’t like to discuss my past (particularly in this type of capacity), but I feel the need to be a representative for these children. Because I was one of them. My parents did not get that “loving” feeling once I was born. My parents didn’t follow the word of Christ because they weren’t Christians; no angelic Catholic charity swooped down to take care of the needs of me and my siblings; and no, I most certainly wasn’t adopted by a nice, warm, nurturing family. We do exist in the world- children who aren’t wanted by the people who are supposed to love them and those who don’t want to deal with raising children who don’t particularly look like them. It is a reality, and we all need to start paying attention. Now, for all of you who are champions for adoption, you must ask yourselves some pertinent questions: 1) will I adopt? 2) will I adopt an American child? 3) will I adopt a child of a different race? 4) will I adopt a child with mental and/or physical disabilities. For those of you who actually practice, and will practice, what you preach, I thank you, thank you, thank you!! For those of you advocate for adoption and being exemplary Christians, but have never once even considered doing it yourselves, this post is for you!

 

[Eucharisted]

If abortion was illegal, people would still be doing abortions. Remember the Probation? Same thing.

If people were loving, than babies would be adopted. For this reason, we pray.

 

[Kay_Cee]

I WORK WITH MANY THAT ARE PRO-CHOICE[ABORTION] AND I NEED SOME GOOD, SOLID FACTS TO REPLY TO THE CONSTANT BARRAGE OF THOSE WHO DO NOT HOLD LIFE AS SACRED AS I DO.
GREATFULONEjim

Another excellent book is *Defending Life *by Francis J. Beckwith. It contains many pro-choice arguments and how to respond to them logically.

 

[GRATEFULONEjim]

Another excellent book is *Defending Life *by Francis J. Beckwith. It contains many pro-choice arguments and how to respond to them logically.

I am really pleased with the fantastic response that I received to my question. I firmly believe that we need to start speaking out even more regarding this issue.
Thank you so much
God Bless’
GREATFULONEjim

 

[fix]

AS A CATHOLIC AND PRO-LIFE, I AM OFTEN ASKED “IF ABORTION WAS ILLEGAL,WHAT WOULD SOCIETY DO WITH ALL OF THE UNWANTED BABIES?” I REPLY THAT PARENTS WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THERE ACTIONS AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. WE KNOW THAT WILL NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE, AND THAT GOVERNMENT CAN NOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THIS. I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE ANY (name removed by moderator)UT FROM THE READERS TO HELP ME GIVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING TO THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE.
GOD BLESS
GREATFULONEjim

I would ask why does that matter? Does the answer mean we should support killing innocents?

 

[Palm_Tree]

If abortion were not legal, people would do what they did before 1973:

(a) change their behavior
(b) parent their children
(c) place their children for adoption

Before 1973, 1/3 of the US states allowed abortion. If you lived in a state that didn’t allow abortion, you just went to the nearest state that allowed abortion, and had an abortion there.

One of the primary causes of abortion being legal is the sexual revolution that ingrained liberal views of sex in our culture. Some of the events of the sexual revolution:

1946 – the bikini is invented

1953 – Playboy magazine is founded

1954 – the controversial Elvis Presley begins his career

1956 – Elvis Presley’s “gyrations” during a televised version of “Hound Dog” created a storm of controversy–even eclipsing the “communist threat” headlines prevalent at the time. The press described his performance as “vulgar” and “obscene.”

1960 – Birth control pill (oral contraceptive) is approved by the FDA. The Pill was soon endorsed and distributed by doctors as a form of population control to counter the fear of over population and the goal to eliminate poverty. Some states made the Pill illegal, but the Supreme Court ruled this was unconstitutional in 1965. The Pill quickly became the world’s most popular method of birth control.

1964 – The British Invasion hits the USA – Beatles, Animals, Rolling Stones, Kinks, the Who, Cream, the Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, etc.

1965 – The double bed becomes a TV fixture: Samantha (Elizabeth Montgomery) shares one with two different Darrins (Dick York and Dick Sargent) on Bewitched.

1965 – Penthouse magazine is founded – the first magazine to publish pictures that included pubic hair and full frontal nudity

1967 – “Summer of Love” in San Francisco, the center of the hippie revolution.

1967 – Ads for penis enlargers employing vacuum-pump technology begin to appear in men’s magazines.

1969 – Denmark became the first country to legalize hardcore pornography. Netherlands followed suit the same year. This led to an explosion of commercially produced pornography. Now that being a pornographer was a legitimate occupation, there was no shortage of businessmen to invest in proper plant and equipment capable of turning out a mass-produced, cheap, but quality product. Vast amounts of this new pornography, both magazines and films, were smuggled into other countries, where it was sold “under the counter” or (sometimes) shown in “members only” cinema clubs

1970s – the rise of “XXX-rated” movie theaters in the United States

etc

 

[Palm_Tree]

YES, THIS IS WHAT I NEED. I WORK WITH MANY THAT ARE PRO-CHOICE[ABORTION] AND I NEED SOME GOOD, SOLID FACTS TO REPLY TO THE CONSTANT BARRAGE OF THOSE WHO DO NOT HOLD LIFE AS SACRED AS I DO.
GREATFULONEjim

16,000 to 18,000 children die every day because of hunger. Many more children die every day because of lack of basic sanitation, clean water, basic health care, etc. How many people care about these children? Not many people. How many people are willing to sacrifice fine food, nice vacations, nice furniture, a nice home and other luxuries so that we can give that money to the children dying all across the world everyday? Not many people. How many people are willing to adopt children instead of having their own children? Not many people. If you’re not serious about all that, then don’t be surprised when people don’t take you seriously about helping the aborted babies.