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I don’t accept the Catholic teachings about transubstantiation, infallible papacy, purgatory, prayers to Mary and the Saints, and confession to a priest.

Other than those things I could be Catholic. What’s a person to do?😉
 
keep studying until you have a fuller understanding of these teachings, and until you can admit the likelihood that 2000 years of apostles, their successors, Church Fathers, bishops, and theologians are right, and we from our more limited learning and understanding are quite possibly wrong.
 
keep studying until you have a fuller understanding of these teachings, and until you can admit the likelihood that 2000 years of apostles, their successors, Church Fathers, bishops, and theologians are right, and we from our more limited learning and understanding are quite possibly wrong.
OK, so religions that are very old are correct? Nah, you can’t believe that, now can you? The older the more correct? Close to as old is close enough? C’mon!
 
Perhaps you could propose your alternative and help us to understand what you believe.
 
Pray and be humble so that you may understand and believe what Catholics believe.
 
Perhaps you could propose your alternative and help us to understand what you believe.
An interesting challenge for sure. I would suggest less dogmatism and more questioning of human institutions and traditions. More rationality and less pagan theology. But whatever floats your boat is fine with me and most Protestants I think.

If Catholics would temper their zeal with more respect for the beliefs of others that would be welcome. Zeal is a carefully chosen word by the way.

I would suggest more Jesus and less church (or Church if you prefer). More Christianity and less Catholicism. They are not equivalent in lots of people’s minds, maybe in most people’s minds.

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An interesting challenge for sure. I would suggest less dogmatism and more questioning of human institutions and traditions. More rationality and less pagan theology. But whatever floats your boat is fine with me and most Protestants I think.

If Catholics would temper their zeal with more respect for the beliefs of others that would be welcome. Zeal is a carefully chosen word by the way.

I would suggest more Jesus and less church (or Church if you prefer). More Christianity and less Catholicism. They are not equivalent in lots of people’s minds, maybe in most people’s minds.

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You can’t be serious if you want to be come Catholic and don’t want to talk much about Catholicism and the Church which will help you know more about Jesus.
 
You can’t be serious if you want to be come Catholic and don’t want to talk much about Catholicism and the Church which will help you know more about Jesus.
I guess you are correct. All the emphasis on Catholicism instead of on Christianity is a turn off. I assure you that most Protestants don’t obsess about their denomination anywhere near the way Catholics do. Catholics are first and foremost Catholics, and then Christians. Protestants are first and foremost Christians and then whatever denomination. That’s a really big difference. That is one of the really good things that came from the Reformation, IMHO.:cool:

And Protestants would never use an image of our Lord that has beams shooting out like the one you use does. That’s ridiculous magical imagery that is abhorrent to Protestants generally.
 
I guess you are correct. All the emphasis on Catholicism instead of on Christianity is a turn off. I assure you that most Protestants don’t obsess about their denomination anywhere near the way Catholics do. Catholics are first and foremost Catholics, and then Christians. Protestants are first and foremost Christians and then whatever denomination. That’s a really big difference. That is one of the really good things that came from the Reformation, IMHO.:cool:
Learning about Catholicism is nothing outside of Christianity.
 
Why is it people who know nothing about the Church keep bringing up Jesus as if He weren’t central to it?

And who is more tolerant and sensitive to others? Certainly not any Protestant religions. Not the Jewish religion, that’s for sure. Not Islam. The wiccans and occult practitioners throw spells on people they don’t like. What on earth is this person talking about?

I’m tired of people’s prejudiced remarks. Why don’t people babble less about things they know nothing about and study and reflect more?

“Better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you’re a fool than open it and remove all doubt”. --Grandma
 
Learning about Catholicism is nothing outside of Christianity.
What I meant was that Catholics in general (if that’s at all fair) are much more occupied with their Catholicism than they are with Christianity. And please remember that for many of us the two are separate.

Catholic churches are a good example. Lots of objects of worship. Monstrances with the Host for adoration, statues, THINGS that mean very little to Protestants. In fact, idols that are against Christian principles. Those things represent how important Catholicism is to Catholics. Those are a serious insult to thinking Protestants because they have nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. They are distinctly Catholic, not distinctly Christian.
 
Why is it people who know nothing about the Church keep bringing up Jesus as if He weren’t central to it?

And who is more tolerant and sensitive to others? Certainly not any Protestant religions. Not the Jewish religion, that’s for sure. Not Islam. The wiccans and occult practitioners throw spells on people they don’t like. What on earth is this person talking about?

I’m tired of people’s prejudiced remarks. Why don’t people babble less about things they know nothing about and study and reflect more?

“Better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you’re a fool than open it and remove all doubt”. --Grandma
I have studied a lot. I know a lot. Enough to reject a lot. You assume incorrectly.
 
What I meant was that Catholics in general (if that’s at all fair) are much more occupied with their Catholicism than they are with Christianity. And please remember that for many of us the two are separate.

Catholic churches are a good example. Lots of objects of worship. Monstrances with the Host for adoration, statues, THINGS that mean very little to Protestants. In fact, idols that are against Christian principles. Those things represent how important Catholicism is to Catholics. Those are a serious insult to thinking Protestants because they have nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. They are distinctly Catholic, not distinctly Christian.
NEVER call the Host an idol. The Host IS Jesus. Worshipping Jesus is not idolotry (last I checked).

And as for the statues and such, they are not worshipped, they are used as a means to better focus the mind on prayer. And for the first 1000 years or so, the Church had no problems with religious images. Iconoclasm (destruction of religious images)didn’t begin until the 8th century or so. Religious images in Churches are meant to help focus the mind on prayer. How is this idolotry?
 
NEVER call the Host an idol. The Host IS Jesus. Worshipping Jesus is not idolotry (last I checked).
Well, to me it’s an idol. It isn’t in any way shape or form Jesus. It’s bread and that’s all.
And as for the statues and such, they are not worshipped, they are used as a means to better focus the mind on prayer. And for the first 1000 years or so, the Church had no problems with religious images. Iconoclasm (destruction of religious images)didn’t begin until the 8th century or so. Religious images in Churches are meant to help focus the mind on prayer. How is this idolotry?
Moses destroyed an idol. That was long before the 8th century.:cool:
 
Well, to me it’s an idol. It isn’t in any way shape or form Jesus. It’s bread and that’s all.

Moses destroyed an idol. That was long before the 8th century.:cool:
From the looks of it, you don’t mean to come here and learn at all. You wish to belittle our beliefs and mock us. You have a lot of nerve to say that you have “studied a lot and know a lot,” especially in the area of Catholic Christianity. If you did, you would know that Catholic and Christian are synonyms.

If you were contemplating entering into the Fullness of the Truth, you would be much more humble, more willing to understand another side from your own and more trusting of Catholics in general.

In regards to your opening post, if you want to learn about those teachings of the Church, there are innumerable resources, you could just go about it in a less rude manner and be open to God’s grace, instead of rejecting it. Just my opinion. 👍

Pace e Bene
Andrew
 
Well, to me it’s an idol. It isn’t in any way shape or form Jesus. It’s bread and that’s all.

Moses destroyed an idol. That was long before the 8th century.:cool:
Good heavens, if this is what you think then in no way shape or form are you ready to become Catholic, and I’m suspecting you never seriously were contemplating it.

Remember Moses, on God’s behalf, commanded the construction of the Ark of the Covenant (the Ark of God’s own presence) which had winged cherubim (angels) on top of it.

You reckon people kneeled in front of it, since it was God’s own footstool in the sanctuary of His own Temple? You’d better believe it. Were they worshipping the angels or the gold box? Of course not.

They knew the difference. Which is why these were permitted while the Golden Calf wasn’t, since it was an Egyptian deity (and remember the Egyptians considered their idols to actually BE the god they represented, and not just a symbol).

Not to mention Moses also, on God’s direct command, ordered the construction of the bronze serpent on a pole to cure those being bitten by snakes. You reckon people worshipped it when they looked at it and were healed by doing so? You think maybe it’s a prefiguring of Christian crucifixes and monstrances, since Jesus said ‘when I am lifted up I will draw all men to myself’ in the same manner as Moses’ serpent.

Look at both Moses’ meeting tent and the Temple of Solomon - more graven carvings and images of all manner of plants and animals, and two HUGE statues of cherubim, again, in the sanctuary.

And you’re so wrong about the Eucharist - St Paul himself says that to partake unworthily is to be guilty of the body and blood of Christ - how can partaking of a mere symbol make you guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ?

It was really His body and blood, Paul knew it, the Early Christian Fathers knew it, and all Christians up until 1500 knew it.
 
From the looks of it, you don’t mean to come here and learn at all. You wish to belittle our beliefs and mock us. You have a lot of nerve to say that you have “studied a lot and know a lot,” especially in the area of Catholic Christianity. If you did, you would know that Catholic and Christian are synonyms.

If you were contemplating entering into the Fullness of the Truth, you would be much more humble, more willing to understand another side from your own and more trusting of Catholics in general.

In regards to your opening post, if you want to learn about those teachings of the Church, there are innumerable resources, you could just go about it in a less rude manner and be open to God’s grace, instead of rejecting it. Just my opinion. 👍

Pace e Bene
Andrew
Thanks. I came to this web site reasonably open to converting to Catholicism. My experience here has been almost totally negative. You all seem to need to defend Catholicism regardless of the legitimacy of the questions. You all seem to be Catholics, but not very serious Christians.

I have in fact studied a great deal. I spent 11 years in college and I have three degrees. I have over 600 college credit hours. Lots of psychology, philosophy, sociology, history, literature, lots of sciences and math. And I have studied religion, especially Catholicism.

I conclude from the people here that I am not able to be Catholic because of your combative attitude. I admit that this is the only Catholic web site I have visited, so maybe there are other sites that are more friendly.

But for me now, Catholicism is a poor, even an impossible choice if I will be associating with people like:cool: you. You are much like the people I grew up with. Very Catholic, and very low life.
 
Thanks. I came to this web site reasonably open to converting to Catholicism. My experience here has been almost totally negative. You all seem to need to defend Catholicism regardless of the legitimacy of the questions. You all seem to be Catholics, but not very serious Christians.

I have in fact studied a great deal. I spent 11 years in college and I have three degrees. I have over 600 college credit hours. Lots of psychology, philosophy, sociology, history, literature, lots of sciences and math. And I have studied religion, especially Catholicism.

I conclude from the people here that I am not able to be Catholic because of your combative attitude. I admit that this is the only Catholic web site I have visited, so maybe there are other sites that are more friendly.

But for me now, Catholicism is a poor, even an impossible choice if I will be associating with people like:cool: you. You are much like the people I grew up with. Very Catholic, and very low life.
I said nothing contrary to your behavior here. No exaggerations, no lies, simply the truth. It’s comments like this, that show your true colors and your purpose for being here. Calling us low lifes. You don’t want to talk about the issues at all. You simply want to name-call.

If you are truly searching for the Catholic faith, then why are you so bitter and rude? It doesn’t matter if you studied science, literature, sociology, etc. This is a Catholic forum and you are talking Catholicism, which you act as if you know little about, considering all you’ve done is belittle our beliefs and mock us.

It makes little to no sense why the attitude of Catholics would make you not want to pursue the beliefs. This is akin to stereotyping an entire race for the actions of one person. If that’s the case, then you’re not after the Truth, but an idea of what YOU want the Truth to be. I’m sorry, but that’s not what Christianity is about at all.

It’s the message that changes you, not you changing the message.

If you’re really searching for the Truth, why can’t you do so charitably?

Pace e Bene
Andrew
 
I said nothing contrary to your behavior here. No exaggerations, no lies, simply the truth. It’s comments like this, that show your true colors and your purpose for being here. Calling us low lifes. You don’t want to talk about the issues at all. You simply want to name-call.

If you are truly searching for the Catholic faith, then why are you so bitter and rude? It doesn’t matter if you studied science, literature, sociology, etc. This is a Catholic forum and you are talking Catholicism, which you act as if you know little about, considering all you’ve done is belittle our beliefs and mock us.

It makes little to no sense why the attitude of Catholics would make you not want to pursue the beliefs. This is akin to stereotyping an entire race for the actions of one person. If that’s the case, then you’re not after the Truth, but an idea of what YOU want the Truth to be. I’m sorry, but that’s not what Christianity is about at all.

It’s the message that changes you, not you changing the message.

If you’re really searching for the Truth, why can’t you do so charitably?

Pace e Bene
Andrew
Bring on the next Crusade brother…👍
 
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