What to say if somebody says to me..."How did the kangaroos and koalas get to Australia? "

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if only all this were true but it seems no fossils have ever been found to show that platypuses evolved from reptiles. Only a few platypus fossils have been discovered but they show that this animal has not changed.It seems the only ancestors it ever had were other platypuses.Perhaps God created the platypus the way it is to show us how ridiculous it is to believe in evolution [Weird and Wonderful] imho and as I read it - twinc
The Fossil Record:

Based on a fragment of lower jaw found in opal deposits at Lightning Ridge in New South Wales, a type of ancestral platypus (Steropodon galmani) existed alongside the dinosaurs about 110 million years ago.

In 1991, a fossil tooth belonging to a different kind of ancient platypus (originally described as Monotrematum sudamericanum but now probably regarded as another Obdurodon species, see below) was discovered in the Patagonian desert of Argentina. The tooth was found in sediments deposited over 60 million years ago, at the time when Australia and South America were still joined as part of the southern supercontinent Gondwana.

Fossils belonging to three other extinct platypus species (Obdurodon insignis, Obdurodon dicksoni, and Obdurodon sp. A) have been found in Australian sediments deposited between 25 and 15 million years ago, while a leg bone from the first close relative of the modern platypus (Ornithorhynchus sp.) has been dated to about 4.5 million years ago.

The earliest known remains of the platypus in its current form (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) date back to around 100,000 years ago.

platypus.asn.au/historical_background.html

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And for more info:

nature.com/news/2008/080121/full/news.2008.517.html

The fossil record, which is admittedly small for monotremes, is not the only way researchers can discover evolutionary pathways.
 
yes of course and why not - lets have all the way out,weird and wacky alternatives and not the reasonable original - twinc
Are you saying that evolutionary theories are “weird and wacky”? Are you aware that biologists, among other researchers are working hard to discover the truth?

Personally I find it extremely weird and wacky to believe that the platypus was created as it is in its present form, especially based on the fossil record and genetic information that has been found. I also find it weird and wacky to believe that a large ship carried animals, of each gender, two by two (except for the hermaphroditic ones like snails and slugs - I would think Noah would only have to get one of each type).

The animals, the animals, they went on by twosies, twosies,
animals, the animals, they went on by twosies, twosies,
elephants and kangaroosies roosies…:rolleyes:

All those animals would not fit on a ship. It would not work. There is another explanation and a lot of people are trying to find it. Catholic scientists are trying to find it.
 
ex nihilo = dust to dust - twinc
I would think we would all know by now what ex nihilo means: “from nothing” or “out of nothing.” It does not translate to “dust to dust” (from Latin) and I would be interested to see a reputable Catholic source for that meaning.
 
The Fossil Record:

Based on a fragment of lower jaw found in opal deposits at Lightning Ridge in New South Wales, a type of ancestral platypus (Steropodon galmani) existed alongside the dinosaurs about 110 million years ago.

In 1991, a fossil tooth belonging to a different kind of ancient platypus (originally described as Monotrematum sudamericanum but now probably regarded as another Obdurodon species, see below) was discovered in the Patagonian desert of Argentina. The tooth was found in sediments deposited over 60 million years ago, at the time when Australia and South America were still joined as part of the southern supercontinent Gondwana.

Fossils belonging to three other extinct platypus species (Obdurodon insignis, Obdurodon dicksoni, and Obdurodon sp. A) have been found in Australian sediments deposited between 25 and 15 million years ago, while a leg bone from the first close relative of the modern platypus (Ornithorhynchus sp.) has been dated to about 4.5 million years ago.

The earliest known remains of the platypus in its current form (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) date back to around 100,000 years ago.

platypus.asn.au/historical_background.html

[underlining added]

And for more info:

nature.com/news/2008/080121/full/news.2008.517.html

The fossil record, which is admittedly small for monotremes, is not the only way researchers can discover evolutionary pathways.
was the platypus complete and functional from the start or was it hopping mad on one leg waiting for the second and other legs and other odd bits and pieces to be added on as they evolved at random - weve already had a few hoaxes and a lot of monkey business - no more thank you very much - anyway what’s all this about millions and billions of years non science and nonsense - twinc
 
I would think we would all know by now what ex nihilo means: “from nothing” or “out of nothing.” It does not translate to “dust to dust” (from Latin) and I would be interested to see a reputable Catholic source for that meaning.
btw dust to dust cannot be evolution - for ex nihilo try Gen.1:1 and Hebrews.11:3 and www.GotQuestions.org - twinc
 
Are you saying that evolutionary theories are “weird and wacky”? Are you aware that biologists, among other researchers are working hard to discover the truth?

Personally I find it extremely weird and wacky to believe that the platypus was created as it is in its present form, especially based on the fossil record and genetic information that has been found. I also find it weird and wacky to believe that a large ship carried animals, of each gender, two by two (except for the hermaphroditic ones like snails and slugs - I would think Noah would only have to get one of each type).

The animals, the animals, they went on by twosies, twosies,
animals, the animals, they went on by twosies, twosies,
elephants and kangaroosies roosies…:rolleyes:

All those animals would not fit on a ship. It would not work. There is another explanation and a lot of people are trying to find it. Catholic scientists are trying to find it.
are you suggesting GOD is mistaken and telling lies and that you know better - HE particularly gave the size and shape of the Ark so that models could be made and the possibility and feasibility could be checked out.This has been done and the results are in the affirmative - two baby dinosaurs,hippos,rhineos,elephants etc - no problem only the way out,weird and wacky ones concocted by humans who should know better - like the millions of years geological columns found only in text books when in fact bottom columns are more recent than the topmost columns as I read it - twinc
 
LittleSoldier said:
Um, perhaps you don’t quite understand. The platypus is a mammal. How could it evolve into something it already was?

like a bird or reptile or vice versa - thank you for accepting the very point that is being made - twinc
 
Could you show me a source please?
why not just accept the sensible possibility - if not then first try CCC 327 & 296 and then check out Polonium halos as unrefuted evidence for Earth’s[instant]creation - have fun but be reasonable - twinc
 
I would think we would all know by now what ex nihilo means: “from nothing” or “out of nothing.” It does not translate to “dust to dust” (from Latin) and I would be interested to see a reputable Catholic source for that meaning.
read Gen.3:19 in conjunction with CCC 296 & 327 - twinc
 
Did you read the articles I provided links to?

Why is it ridiculous to believe in evolution (and here I am referring to theistic theories of evolution that meet Church criteria)? If the Church, formed by God Himself, states that it is OK to believe in theistic theories of evolution that meet Church criteria, why is it ridiculous to believe in those theories?
since there never ever was Evolution to say God did what there never ever was is make an idiot of God - this is unacceptable - twinc
 
…Noah took the animals onto the ark, the earth was flooded, he released them afterwards.

How did the kangaroos and koalas get to Australia?
Just off the top of my head but possibly they flew Quantas?
 
was the platypus complete and functional from the start or was it hopping mad on one leg waiting for the second and other legs and other odd bits and pieces to be added on as they evolved at random - weve already had a few hoaxes and a lot of monkey business - no more thank you very much - anyway what’s all this about millions and billions of years non science and nonsense - twinc
What a wacky and weird post you have written here!! Do you honestly believe the platypus is a hoax? I think you should let someone in Australia know this; preferably someone in high government.

What do you mean by “non science and nonsense”? :rolleyes:
 
are you suggesting GOD is mistaken and telling lies and that you know better - HE particularly gave the size and shape of the Ark so that models could be made and the possibility and feasibility could be checked out.This has been done and the results are in the affirmative - two baby dinosaurs,hippos,rhineos,elephants etc - no problem only the way out,weird and wacky ones concocted by humans who should know better - like the millions of years geological columns found only in text books when in fact bottom columns are more recent than the topmost columns as I read it - twinc
Nope. I’m suggesting no such thing. I take the bible literally. Are you aware of how many species of animals there are in the world and how long it would take to gather one of each gender (except for the hermaphroditic species) and how much space they would take up? We’re talking about every single species of every single animal in the entire world: the oceans (as the flood was caused by rain water the saline content of the oceans would decrease, killing the sea life; how would Noah take care of this? Build a huge saline aquarium?)…fresh water lakes, rivers, creeks, streams, the forests, jungles, woodlands, tundra, every single island with animals (and they all have animals), every insect, bird, mammal, amphibian, reptile? Every animal from planarium to penguin to a Portuguese Man-o-War to a fly no bigger than a speck to Indian elephants, African elephants, every single animal without missing one, even if Noah couldn’t see it he collected it, male and female. Are you aware of how long this would take?

Please provide links to back up your assertions that “the possibility and feasibility could be checked out. This has been done and the results are affirmative.” Cuz you haven’t provided any yet.

"There are about 1,250,000 identified species of animal. This includes 1,190,200 invertebrates, among them 950,000 insects, 70,000 mollusks, 40,000 crustaceans, and 130,200 others. There are about 58,800 identified vertebrates, including 29,300 fish, 5,743 amphibians, 8,240 reptiles, 9,800 birds, and 5,416 mammals. As a comparison, almost 300,000 plant species are known.

"Importantly, the numbers above do not account for species which have not yet been captured or described scientifically. Scientists estimate there may be as many as 10 - 30 million unidentified insect species, many of them living in the rainforest, and up to 1 million mite species. Mites are small arthropods, a group of animals related to but not the same as insects.

wisegeek.com/how-many-species-of-animal-are-there.htm

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Add it all together and what have you got? 32,250,000 species of animals in the world. And you are telling me that Noah was able to not only obtain male and female specimens of each of these (with the exception of hermaphroditic species), fit them on a large boat, and feed them, keep them from eating each other, cleaning their pens, etc. for however long it took for the waters to recede enough? Just in case it isn’t clear, that number is thirty two million, two hundred fifty thousand species of animals. That is a lot of animals, many of which can’t even be seen without a microscope, which obviously had not been invented when Noah was around.

Can’t be done. Taken literally the bible makes much more sense.

Do you actually think that the Church, founded by God, is lying to us when Church teaching is clear that the faithful can believe in a theistic theory of evolution that meets Church criteria? Are you claiming that YOU know more than the Church?

You know, I don’t care at all if you don’t believe in evolution. It has no bearing on your salvation nor on mine. What I care about is that people deny Church teaching. The Church has made it clear that I can believe in a theistic theory of evolution that meets her criteria. And I do. OK?

We are not supposed to be discussing evolution in this forum. I’ve tried to not respond but I haven’t been able to. But I am backing out of this discussion right now. I apologize to the moderator. Now I know why there is a ban on evolution threads.
 
Nope. I’m suggesting no such thing. I take the bible literally. Are you aware of how many species of animals there are in the world and how long it would take to gather one of each gender (except for the hermaphroditic species) and how much space they would take up? We’re talking about every single species of every single animal in the entire world: the oceans (as the flood was caused by rain water the saline content of the oceans would decrease, killing the sea life; how would Noah take care of this? Build a huge saline aquarium?)…fresh water lakes, rivers, creeks, streams, the forests, jungles, woodlands, tundra, every single island with animals (and they all have animals), every insect, bird, mammal, amphibian, reptile? Every animal from planarium to penguin to a Portuguese Man-o-War to a fly no bigger than a speck to Indian elephants, African elephants, every single animal without missing one, even if Noah couldn’t see it he collected it, male and female. Are you aware of how long this would take?

Please provide links to back up your assertions that “the possibility and feasibility could be checked out. This has been done and the results are affirmative.” Cuz you haven’t provided any yet.

"There are about 1,250,000 identified species of animal. This includes 1,190,200 invertebrates, among them 950,000 insects, 70,000 mollusks, 40,000 crustaceans, and 130,200 others. There are about 58,800 identified vertebrates, including 29,300 fish, 5,743 amphibians, 8,240 reptiles, 9,800 birds, and 5,416 mammals. As a comparison, almost 300,000 plant species are known.

"Importantly, the numbers above do not account for species which have not yet been captured or described scientifically. Scientists estimate there may be as many as 10 - 30 million unidentified insect species, many of them living in the rainforest, and up to 1 million mite species. Mites are small arthropods, a group of animals related to but not the same as insects.

wisegeek.com/how-many-species-of-animal-are-there.htm

[bolding added]

Add it all together and what have you got? 32,250,000 species of animals in the world. And you are telling me that Noah was able to not only obtain male and female specimens of each of these (with the exception of hermaphroditic species), fit them on a large boat, and feed them, keep them from eating each other, cleaning their pens, etc. for however long it took for the waters to recede enough? Just in case it isn’t clear, that number is thirty two million, two hundred fifty thousand species of animals. That is a lot of animals, many of which can’t even be seen without a microscope, which obviously had not been invented when Noah was around.

Can’t be done. Taken literally the bible makes much more sense.

Do you actually think that the Church, founded by God, is lying to us when Church teaching is clear that the faithful can believe in a theistic theory of evolution that meets Church criteria? Are you claiming that YOU know more than the Church?

You know, I don’t care at all if you don’t believe in evolution. It has no bearing on your salvation nor on mine. What I care about is that people deny Church teaching. The Church has made it clear that I can believe in a theistic theory of evolution that meets her criteria. And I do. OK?

We are not supposed to be discussing evolution in this forum. I’ve tried to not respond but I haven’t been able to. But I am backing out of this discussion right now. I apologize to the moderator. Now I know why there is a ban on evolution threads.
He only had to gather the “base” kinds.
 
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