What to say to fellow Traditionalists who seem disloyal

[thedavidwilson]

Why not buy their books and missals? At least you know they are solidly Catholic. They favour Tan Publishers which is a really good traditional Catholic source. Besides, if you can pay your heretic hairdresser for her service, and your Muslim taxi driver, or your Jewish drycleaner without batting an eye, why boycott the SSPX for their attempts to provide you with a service? They need to eat, too.

Because the act of hair dressing and taxi cab driving are not schismatic acts, which you would be supporting if you gave SSPX money. Why not just by from the same source the SSPX gets their stuff and cut out the middle man.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Because the act of hair dressing and taxi cab driving are not schismatic acts, which you would be supporting if you gave SSPX money. Why not just by from the same source the SSPX gets their stuff and cut out the middle man.

I recently bought a book about St. John Vianney from two lovely little SSPX girls who were running a book table. I have no problem whatsoever buying from them. They had both read the book, and certainly knew about the Cure of Ars. But then I’m not an SSPX hater.

 

[bear06]

I recently bought a book about St. John Vianney from two lovely little SSPX girls who were running a book table. I have no problem whatsoever buying from them. They had both read the book, and certainly knew about the Cure of Ars. But then I’m not an SSPX hater.

And the SSPX hater is? I hardly think anyone hates the SSPX because they don’t support their mentality and methodology and don’t want to give them more money to spread their mentality and methodology. I support them with prayer for their irregular situation to be made regular and the excommunications to be lifted. At this point, with no reconciliation in site, I would be thrilled to see their chapels close and all of the priest and laity run to the FSSP. This isn’t out of hate but love.

And no, I don’t support TAN books either. The only time I ever get some of their good books is when I’m buying them at a used book sale and the money is going to the church and not TAN.

 

[GerardP]

And the SSPX hater is? I hardly think anyone hates the SSPX because they don’t support their mentality and methodology and don’t want to give them more money to spread their mentality and methodology. I support them with prayer for their irregular situation to be made regular and the excommunications to be lifted. At this point, with no reconciliation in site, I would be thrilled to see their chapels close and all of the priest and laity run to the FSSP. This isn’t out of hate but love.

And no, I don’t support TAN books either. The only time I ever get some of their good books is when I’m buying them at a used book sale and the money is going to the church and not TAN.

I can understand that. Financial support is an important thing.
I don’t financially support EWTN anymore because they promote errors and flat out heresy. And no one publishes or broadcasts corrections on that network or on their website. And I don’t hate EWTN either, but you’ve got to be conscientious about where you let your money go.

Buying used books is a good idea when you are curious and doing research but not sure about supporting someone’s cause.

I haven’t encountered any SSPX haters here. I have on other sites. One guy loved to constantly talk about his loyalty to John Paul “the Great” on one hand and then cackle with glee about how happy he was that “Dead Marcel was squealing in Hell.”

I pointed out that JPII never would approve of that kind of “loyalty” but it was pointless with someone like that.

Disagreement is one thing, hate is another.

 

[MariaGorettiGrl]

It is not only not a good idea to attend an SSPX Mass, but it is illicit to go and participate in an SSPX Mass and it cannot be used to fulfill your Sunday/Holy Day obligation!

It is very difficult to try to explain this to a member of the SSPX. They obviously like their church or they would not be going there, so there is reluctance to leave. Even when there is a licit Latin Mass offered, many SSPXers do not feel that it is good enough.

I think the best way to help your friends is with prayer and sacrifice. You can offer up the sadness you feel because your friends are seperating themselves from the true church. Pope Benedict XVI is working very hard to reunite the SSPX church. I’m hoping that this will be the shortest seperation in history!

 

[KathleenElsie]

I love the Tridentine Mass very much.:bowdown:

However, I have noticed that many other people that I know, who also love the Tridentine Mass, seem to like the SSPX, and other such groups a LOT.(I don’t think that I know any sedevacantists).

Sometimes it seems that I am the only Traditionalist in my area who thinks that the SSPX Priests are in schism, and that it is NOT a good idea to attend their Masses, and that it is NOT a good idea to buy Missals and other material from the SSPX.

Any suggestions? Sean O L, do you have any tips?

We do not go to the SSPX Mass. But when there is no other source for older Catholic Teaching material we will go to their internet store. Many of the Post-Vatican II printers no longer carry the older more traditional materials. Maybe this will change now that the MP has been declared. But it will take time for the older writing to be available.

So no it might not be a GOOD idea. But in some cases it is the ONLY idea.

 

[StMarkEofE]

Greetings!

I am a Traditional Catholic seminarian attending a diocesan seminary. However, I do have a strong support for the SSPX. Unlike the SSPV, CMRI, etc., the SSPX is not in schism and does not have schismatic leaders.

I know that this is quite controversial, and I have gotten into several recent arguments on the topic. However, I would like to offer a suggestion. I used to have a strong fear of the SSPX and would not attend their Masses. But their Masses are so beautiful and holy. The Church has never said it was a sin to give the SSPX modest donations or attend their Masses.

The SSPX is neither in schism nor has schismatic leaders. To those people that claim such things, please go to the SSPX’s website and look through the articles under “SSPX FAQs”. All the information needed can be found there.

In particular…

Why Marcel Lefebvre is not excommunicated. Look at Canon Law

Are the SSPX’ers under the Pope?

 

[GerardP]

Are the SSPX’ers under the Pope?

Yes they are. But they are disobedient to the reforms after the Council because they belief as Cardinal Ottaviani did that it is a letting down of the defenses of the Church.

The last few Popes were lest inclined to believe the scope of the crisis in the Church. Pope Benedict is much more aware and much more concerned. Hopefully, he will be able to regularize the SSPX and overcome the pressure from the bishops that are against the SSPX and trhe TLM.

 

[GerardP]

It is not only not a good idea to attend an SSPX Mass, but it is illicit to go and participate in an SSPX Mass and it cannot be used to fulfill your Sunday/Holy Day obligation!

This has been hashed over before. You can fulfill your Sunday obligation attending an SSPX chapel.

Many people attend an illicit TLM because they were fed up with illicit Novus Ordo services that are supposedly “in full communion.”

I go to the TLM at the SSPX and most of the time I go to confession at the local parishes. The best and most orthodox of the local priests have told me to continue going to the SSPX because of the spiritual benefits and the clear teaching presented.

It is very difficult to try to explain this to a member of the SSPX. They obviously like their church or they would not be going there, so there is reluctance to leave. Even when there is a licit Latin Mass offered, many SSPXers do not feel that it is good enough.

From my experience there is a great degree of cross-pollination. Many people will attend the SSPX chapel or a diocesan TLM depending on the circumstances of their Sunday. Some even go to both in order to support the TLM where ever its offered.

Add to that, the number of “plain clothes” priests that come to the SSPX incognito in order to learn the TLM. Some don’t want to be recognized and wear a shirt and tie with their black suits. Others will help out with confessions depending on their knowledge and comfort level.

I think the best way to help your friends is with prayer and sacrifice. You can offer up the sadness you feel because your friends are seperating themselves from the true church.

The sadness is unwarranted. They aren’t seperating themselves.

Brian Mershon has done some excellent work clarifying this

renewamerica.us/columns/mershon/070807

Pope Benedict XVI is working very hard to reunite the SSPX church. I’m hoping that this will be the shortest seperation in history!

I would hope the bouquet of 2 and a half million Rosaries that were sent to the Pope by bishop Fellay will help the Holy Father. Unfortunately, it hasn’t been acknowledged yet.

 

[bear06]

This has been hashed over before. You can fulfill your Sunday obligation attending an SSPX chapel.

Where’s the document saying that? And please don’t give me a letter from Msgr. Perl without posting the clarification he had to send out because people made the same assumption it sounds like you are making.

Many people attend an illicit TLM because they were fed up with illicit Novus Ordo services that are supposedly “in full communion.”

 

[GerardP]

Where’s the document saying that? And please don’t give me a letter from Msgr. Perl without posting the clarification he had to send out because people made the same assumption it sounds like you are making.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed. Thank you all.