What To say To smug atheist? is there a Point?

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When I meet atheists who try to convice me there is no God I just hit them with St. Thomas Aquanias’ five proofs for the existence of God that shuts them up becuse they have no way of countering it with their own arguments.
Actually they do and dispose of it pretty easily. For St. Thomas’ “proofs” are less scientific proofs as they are ways to approach belief in God.

“The great Doctor of the Church, Thomas Aquinas, is famous for his five “proofs” of God’s existence but his proofs are not scientific: there are no calculations or verifiable experiments one can run to establish the existence of the divine. They too are approaches to the divine.”

They will pretty much see you coming with Aquinas. May I suggest instead this post of mine that relies heavily on Fr. Aidan Nichol’s approaches to God’s existence? It is very well argued and will give them a lot more to deal with. You can find it here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/09/09/approaches-to-god%e2%80%99s-existence/

regards,

dj
 
I was arguing with an atheist the other night and he was cussing me out because I was wiping the floor with him over a debate about the Shroud of Turin. They argue like four-year-olds. Basically, their entire argument consists of calling you stupid and saying you worship a flying speghetti monster. He was from the U.K. and kept calling me a “stupid American.” I wasn’t offended in the least. Just ask them how a burst of radiation created a perfect image of the human body. He replied saying, “Only religious people are stupid (there’s that word again) enough to believe that just because you can’t explain something, that means 'God did it.” I just said, “Yes, how stupid of me to think that a burst of radiation creating a perfect image of the human body of my Savior COULD POSSIBLY come from God.” (obvious sarcasm.)
 
What I am about to tell you is evidence of a great movement of God about to take hold of the world. If you have not consecrated yourself to the Immaculate Heart of Mary then do it. She is our leader in this cataclysmic battle between Good and evil. Trust in God’s power to make you holy and pure: He is the God of the Immaculate unstained mother of His Son. Jesus is our life in holiness and He can do all things (even make us into Saints). Look at His power over the hearts of men (His Mother, St. Joseph, Moses, St. John, and all of the Saints). Put yourself in this trust (His heart).

If you know God then begin to learn your right to claim that you do in fact know God. If you know God then it should be easy to say it because it is a part of your nature since you are brought into a new state of being: where once you did not know God now you do. If you know God then you are a witness to His name. You must bear witness to the proclamation of yourself (that you know God) if you do in fact know God. You must also bear witness to the witness of Jesus in regards to Himself. He knew very well who He was/is and He has put a demand on all of us to accept it and preach it (each in His own lot). We who have come to know God through Him know that HE IS. You must serve as a witness of the Most High, Triune God.
You should know that Jesus is the Eucharist and the Eucharist is our God. We must begin to proclaim “What Is” in as much as we know “What Is” because it all pertains to “Who Is”, the great “I AM”. Among Christians, we who know His Church, are strongest in the faith because we actually know His one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Philosophy and the world will never be the same because we are preparing the world for the coming of Jesus: this is the new evangelization! The devil is using every means necessary to justify Atheism as the only pure source of political intent. We must confront and condemn the mind that says to God, “Until you prove to us beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are real then we will not run a government on your supposed teachings.” These are under the impression that not knowing God is justification enough to condemn anything and everything that is supposedly of Him. We must combat Atheism therefore with our certainty, and let our certainty be our guide in any debate or religious discussion. We cannot let this frame of thinking be encouraged. We must illuminate the world to understand what our Lady has said, “His mercy is from generation to those who fear Him.” (Luke 1:50) It is clear to me that a soul who seeks to hold the world in the chains and under the rule of Atheism does not respect God at all. It is clear to me that those who do not know God are bound to respect Him in as much as they don’t know if He is real or not: these must refrain, especially from open denial, of just about any thing that pertains to God. It is good to know, my Catholic Brethren, that our Lord deserves our recognition: that we believe that He was, who He and scriptures, claimed Him to be. We find, in His proclamation of Self, a sure and secure means for analyzing our limits in evangelizing: we must find solace in the certitude that He expresses in knowing Himself. Our God is not a God of uncertainty. Neither are we unsure Him or His Church. We must bow down to our sacred right to know. We must receive Communion at least every week.
It is my experience that not many (in person at least) will even try to denounce your rights to say that you know God. Many may be confused and say, “You mean you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Yeah, I did to once.” (this referring to a specific incident with an Atheist coworker who was trying to belittle my assertion as being somehow mis phrased). I think our problem in the world is great, but after the Living example of Jesus we have solace in knowing that He is our model for evangelization, and He never shied away from confronting the mockeries that people flung at Him as if they had any right to deny the truth that He knew about Himself. You see? This is our power with Christ: the truth! Nobody can change the truth. We are able to confront those who would deny us and even compare them to the ones who denied our Lord.
We must always use this “knowledge” of our sacred rights for the Lord and His Holy Catholic Church, who knows Herself as the only Bride of Christ. We are of Divine certainty if we are in Jesus and His Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
I do not recommend contending with those hiding in their homes, on their computer, because I found nothing but lost time doing that, but you may want to talk to somebody else about doing that.
I would recommend to any true Catholic, that you pass out flyers explaining yourself to know God (if you do) and inviting anyone to join you at a park for discussion. I am doing this for the first time soon (it’s hard with a wife and kids and conflicting schedules), God willing. I also have made it a point in a draft letter that I have written, to especially invite anyone in the neighborhood who knows God, so that they can be a witness there with me. I feel that this will be the main way in which people will be led back to Jesus and His Church. My email address is emailgreghughes@gmail.com. I would love to collaborate with any of you (especially my Catholic Brethren) so that we can come together and hold talks, groups, and maybe even lead many to an open consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary who I believe is the architect of this work. All praise and glory to God in this upheaval.
 
EXAN, I’m generally talking about people like Richard dawkins and His like. They make web sites and insult us. Calling us, or insinuating we aren’t “evolved” because We believe in something not “Scientific”. ect ect…flying speggetti monster ect…ect…

I could care less where You enjoy to place you genitalia. if someone ever treated you bad for that reason, then SHAME ON THEM. I Know There is a power of pure love greater then the human mind can comprehend. And Christ is My Master through this journey. HORRIBLE Weak people use the Master as a shield to hide behind in their hatred and evil. If they actually followed the master, they would treat You with all the respect The Master would Be expected to be treated with. That’s an Order. You Don’t follow that basic one, the rest fall away fast. But it’s Not a Matter of following an “order” as if you’ll be punished. It’s a Way of living and Loving and spreading it with pure genuine joy in Your heart. Not bitterness. and NEVER Judgment. Thats reserved for the Master ONLY. Of course some of us are dangerous and need to be separated for the safety of the rest. but all deserve respect.

I have a feeling that the type of people that go to a homosexual persons funeral and disrupt it with signs insulting and saying they deserve to get aids ect… Are going to , Well…Lets just say They are probably gonna be in Big Time trouble for putting Words in the Masters mouth.😉
 
I would recommend to any true Catholic, that you pass out flyers explaining yourself to know God (if you do) and inviting anyone to join you at a park for discussion. I am doing this for the first time soon (it’s hard with a wife and kids and conflicting schedules), God willing. I also have made it a point in a draft letter that I have written, to especially invite anyone in the neighborhood who knows God, so that they can be a witness there with me. I feel that this will be the main way in which people will be led back to Jesus and His Church. My email address is emailgreghughes@gmail.com. I would love to collaborate with any of you (especially my Catholic Brethren) so that we can come together and hold talks, groups, and maybe even lead many to an open consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary who I believe is the architect of this work. All praise and glory to God in this upheaval.
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This Takes Great courage Greg. I’m thinking about doing the same thing in My neighborhood. Not to go around so much to try to convert everyone( it’s a Multi racial, Hispanic, black and white neighborhood with a catholic Church on the corner) But to get to Know all the neighbors. and everyone Come together as a community and watch out for each other. Know each other. Talk about God While We do it. None of the neighbors talk to each other. everyone hides in the house. It’s sad We all live so close and see each other every day and don’t even know each others names:confused:
 
Atheists will give evolution as proof, but in order to “evolve”, one must first be “created”.

Also, it’s hard to believe that man created a religion which taught abstinence before marriage, one wife, no contraception, no abortion or infanticide, no divorce, no killing, turn the other cheek, advocated that women remain virgins as nuns, etc. and that man actually stuck to it for 2000 yrs! (And atheists call US stupid) lol
 
I work with an Evangalizing Atheist! He gives talks and everything and loves to “put you on the spot”. I just don’t get into it with him and continue on. I work with him daily and have actually a good relationship with him and I don’t think me convincing him he’s wrong is going to change his mind. He’s just determined to be who he is. I just pray for him and continue to have a good non-religious relationship with him but at the same time I don’t hide my being a Catholic either. Don’t waste your time on this person. Just live your life the way Christ wants you to and set a good example and maybe something will click or maybe not.

Good luck…it ain’t easy is it?
 
I work with an Evangalizing Atheist! He gives talks and everything and loves to “put you on the spot”. I just don’t get into it with him and continue on. I work with him daily and have actually a good relationship with him and I don’t think me convincing him he’s wrong is going to change his mind. He’s just determined to be who he is. I just pray for him and continue to have a good non-religious relationship with him but at the same time I don’t hide my being a Catholic either. Don’t waste your time on this person. Just live your life the way Christ wants you to and set a good example and maybe something will click or maybe not.

Good luck…it ain’t easy is it?
 
I think one has to comprehend what exactly it is that atheism does for its believers. It is not a religion as such but it acts like one and an avowed atheist will always - even if he denies it - have a set set of beliefs eg whilst being unable to explain a ratio for belief in existence ex nihilo he will believe in it.

It is important to understand that for the purposes of understanding its adherents atheism is an extremely powerful young quasi religion still in the first flush of its evangelisation process. It is barely 3 generations old as a global faith. It has its own eschatology, naive and hopelessly utopian but nonetheless accepted by its adherents who believe that the end of faith will usher in a golden age of human kindness and growth. They profoundly believe this.

Today’s atheist has all the fervour and vim of a 7th muslim or 16th Lutheran and it is difficult to argue with such pure belief.
 
I was arguing with an atheist the other night and he was cussing me out because I was wiping the floor with him over a debate about the Shroud of Turin. They argue like four-year-olds. Basically, their entire argument consists of calling you stupid and saying you worship a flying speghetti monster. He was from the U.K. and kept calling me a “stupid American.” I wasn’t offended in the least. Just ask them how a burst of radiation created a perfect image of the human body. He replied saying, “Only religious people are stupid (there’s that word again) enough to believe that just because you can’t explain something, that means 'God did it.” I just said, “Yes, how stupid of me to think that a burst of radiation creating a perfect image of the human body of my Savior COULD POSSIBLY come from God.” (obvious sarcasm.)
The Spahhetti Monster insult in curiuos in that they believe in a kind of auto creation ex nihilo a sort of Puff Bang wallop and then…The Magic Dragon.

frankly once one gets to Spahhetti monster territory one should follow the advice of the Lord, wipe the dust from ones feet and move on.
 
I was arguing with an atheist the other night and he was cussing me out because I was wiping the floor with him over a debate about the Shroud of Turin. They argue like four-year-olds. Basically, their entire argument consists of calling you stupid and saying you worship a flying speghetti monster. He was from the U.K. and kept calling me a “stupid American.” I wasn’t offended in the least. Just ask them how a burst of radiation created a perfect image of the human body. He replied saying, “Only religious people are stupid (there’s that word again) enough to believe that just because you can’t explain something, that means 'God did it.” I just said, “Yes, how stupid of me to think that a burst of radiation creating a perfect image of the human body of my Savior COULD POSSIBLY come from God.” (obvious sarcasm.)
Praise be to Jesus Christ! I was always certain humankind can not come out suddenly from no where.

And will you ask them?-
**Can you imagine a human can come out suddenly from nowhere?
Why do you think that?
Where are you from? you can say you were born by your mother; and your mother was born from her mother… but how about the first mother? where she came from?
That first person on earth was made by God, think about it, and believe in God!

Oj! Very! :angel1:**.
 
I did not listen to the video all the way through because it quickly became clear that the author was not attacking my beliefs. My faith is not driven by superstition or fear of a vengeful God. I am not being a smug Catholic here, just explaining that my faith derives from the Gospels. No one on this Earth can discredit the Beatitudes, one of the most beautiful and powerful articles of what we believe in. I recommend you re-read that passage in the Bible and feel blessed by God that you mourn the attacks on your faith. Be happy! 👍
 
Should you argue with them? Well, you certainly won’t be converting any of the atheists. The question is if your posts will help or hurt your cause. Do you feel like you can argue well against them so that someone reading the discussion will be convinced by your rather than their arguments?

Personally I wouldn’t compare the outspoken atheists to religious people, there is a very fundamental difference in that religions contain a belief system, a philosophy of life, a moral code and so on. Atheism just denies belief in a God, but people can certainly speak very strongly in favor of atheism just as people can speak very strongly in favor of any idea.
 
Hey, why don’t you invite THEM over HERE??

I have found that most of the commentary on youtube is vulgar and inane and not worth responding to.

If atheism = secular humanism, then it IS a sort of religion. I recall this coming up some yrs ago when we were homeschooling our kids. Some court declared Secular Humanism a religion. Google it and see what comes up.

One thing for sure, atheism is built on Relativism. It is shifting sand. If you can believe in that, then ANYTHING AT ALL is possible. There are no moral absolutes, no grounds for sanity; all is anarchy if everyone becomes an atheist. But Jesus promised us that would not happen.

God Bless, and Happy New Year!
Mimi
 
What I always do is tell them I am glad they can live their lives with such confidence in their opinion. Then I always say, I forgive you…and walk away. Nothing irritates them more 🙂
 
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