What to think of a very modern mass?

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juno24 said:
Because the word “rubric” in general terms means a set of instructions. Specifically, the word means a set of instructions for conducting a religious service.
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The instructions, headings, etc. were written in red, the Latin word for which is ruber (rubra, rubrum) in early manuscripts.
 
GPGT said:
I generally go to an EF mass but Sunday I decided to go to a late mass a friend told me about at a Catholic church I’d never heard of before. It was about the least formal mass I’ve been to; not even sure I heard a creed said though I may have missed them singing it. Yet it was very intimate; basically everyone met and shook hands beforehand. It was basically a sung mass with newer music, piano and guitars, and I think even a sax at one point. I wasn’t crazy about being asked my take on the gospel by someone in attendance during the homily. The only time the preist went on the altar was during the offertory and for the consecration, which the two handfuls in attendance were invited onto the altar for. Veneration was surely lacking and I felt bad myself for not kneeling during the consecration (where we were invited to “bow” at two parts), figuring it would be seen as being done out of protest. I found it odd that the preist, even during consecration, kept using the term “the Christ” (ie. “Jesus ‘the’ Christ”). I’ve decided not to be upset of the lack of rubrics followed and the likely litirgical abuses, but to actually be happy to be part of a faith that believes the same thing yet can celebrate it in different ways. It was a mass for new and non-Catholics and those needing spirutial guidance and is put on once a month. If I ever go again I’ll need to lead by example, and will perhaps still attend an EF mass the morning of.
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It actually sound as though as the rubics of the mass was followed. There is nothing wrong with greeting each other before mass, there should be more of it to make people fell welcome, the music sounds wonderful, If all the parts were sung all the better, it follows the GIRM. The priest usually only goes to the altar a couple of times. when there are not kneelers, standing is allowed, and the term using “Jesus the Christ” breaks no rules.
 
FAB said:
It actually sound as though as the rubics of the mass was followed. There is nothing wrong with greeting each other before mass, there should be more of it to make people fell welcome, the music sounds wonderful, If all the parts were sung all the better, it follows the GIRM. The priest usually only goes to the altar a couple of times. when there are not kneelers, standing is allowed, and the term using “Jesus the Christ” breaks no rules.
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But inviting everyone around the altar does.
 
I have never been to one, but what immediately came to mind was a Neo-catechumenal Mass; and if it was, then anyone who sounded off about liturgical abuse is extremely out of line. Perhaps sometimes we should be a bit slow to condemn that which we only know of second hand.
 
If it was a mass where the Rite of Acceptance was being done that would account for the lack of Gloria and Creed. If the OP is in RCIA perhaps maybe they haven’t experience the Rite of Acceptance yet. The priest is only at the altar for the Offertory and Eucharistic Prayer. As for people gathering around the altar, maybe he experienced EMHCs coming up to the altar for communion. While they should not gather around for the consecration they can go up after the priest receives.

I would not be so quick to yell abuse until one finds out if what happened was truly an abuse.
 
GPGT said:
I generally go to an EF mass but Sunday I decided to go to a late mass a friend told me about at a Catholic church I’d never heard of before. It was about the least formal mass I’ve been to; not even sure I heard a creed said though I may have missed them singing it. Yet it was very intimate; basically everyone met and shook hands beforehand. It was basically a sung mass with newer music, piano and guitars, and I think even a sax at one point. I wasn’t crazy about being asked my take on the gospel by someone in attendance during the homily. The only time the preist went on the altar was during the offertory and for the consecration, which the two handfuls in attendance were invited onto the altar for. Veneration was surely lacking and I felt bad myself for not kneeling during the consecration (where we were invited to “bow” at two parts), figuring it would be seen as being done out of protest. I found it odd that the preist, even during consecration, kept using the term “the Christ” (ie. “Jesus ‘the’ Christ”). I’ve decided not to be upset of the lack of rubrics followed and the likely litirgical abuses, but to actually be happy to be part of a faith that believes the same thing yet can celebrate it in different ways. It was a mass for new and non-Catholics and those needing spirutial guidance and is put on once a month. If I ever go again I’ll need to lead by example, and will perhaps still attend an EF mass the morning of.
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The first thing you should have done is to check if that Catholic Church really is a Catholic Church in full union with Rome. There are many Churches that use the word Catholic which have nothing to do with the Church Christ founded.
 
Nacho45 said:
I would stay away even if there was no other option.

I attended a Mass that started the same way. Drums, guitars, hand clapping, Protestant sounding music. I thought I was back in a Baptist service. I lasted 15 minutes and left, got in my car and drove to the Orthodox parish to attend Liturgy. It was like taking a bath after walking through mud.

I abhor modern “Christianity.” It isn’t about entertainment, it is about worship. Although I realize the Mass I attended is the exception, I have not been able to bring myself to attend another, but I think I am about ready to try.
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Drums, guitars, and hand clapping in no way prohibit worship or alter the beauty of the Mass.
 
I always find these andecdotal threads problematic. There simply is no way of knowing what was going on. Was it a Catholic Church? What Rite? Some specialized group, like LifeTeen or Neocatechum Way? It is easy to comment on what is supposed to be done in the Roman Rite, and easy to have opinions. It is very hard to comment based on sketchy information an no contact.
 
pnewton said:
I always find these andecdotal threads problematic. There simply is no way of knowing what was going on. Was it a Catholic Church? What Rite? Some specialized group, like LifeTeen or Neocatechum Way? It is easy to comment on what is supposed to be done in the Roman Rite, and easy to have opinions. It is very hard to comment based on sketchy information an no contact.
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BINGO
They are problematic, in that they cause divisive discussions about hypothetical issues that by nature have no satisfying answers.
 
Nacho45 said:
It does for me.
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To each his own I guess.
A few months ago, John Michale Talbot came to my parish and gave several talks/ performances about the parts of the Mass. One thing he mentioned was that a lot of people have this anti modern music, or any music at all, attitude that is chasing a way a lot of people from the Church. Think about it, people are going to want to go to a place where they can feel they are part of the service, and frankly today people are going to find ‘modern music’ a lot more appealing than a guy playing the organ.
 
I like both the NO and Tridentine/Latin Mass. Even for cradle Catholics, or if you’ve been Catholic for a very long time, your first Latin Mass will be a memorable experience. You’ll almost get an idea of how a non-Catholic entering the Church feels and experiences their first time at Mass. For some it’s intimidating, you get lost in the Latin, the whole mood and atmosphere is different. The movements at the alter, the Gregorian chant, and just the respect and reverence shown to God is beautiful.

I disagree with many who think it’s nostalgia for those who were born post-Vatican II. It’s not about bringing back the past. Yes, it’s part of our tradition, but those who attend the Latin Mass want to keep the focus on our Lords sacrifice. If that liturgy brings them closer to God, that’s what’s important.
I like the modern Mass because it’ll also reach people, it’ll just be in a different way. For new Catholics they can transition and won’t be so overwhelmed. The only thing with the modern Mass though is I’d like to see more emphasis on the rubrics, some “Ordo” 😛 has to be maintained so we’re all really unified in the Body of Christ.

During tough times is when the Church flourishes, wars, plagues, famines, persecutions.Christianity is under full assault today, so there’s no better time to be Catholic if you’re not already one. Propicietur Deus Ecclesiae suae sanctae 👍
 
wolfe_gate said:
To each his own I guess.
A few months ago, John Michale Talbot came to my parish and gave several talks/ performances about the parts of the Mass. One thing he mentioned was that a lot of people have this anti modern music, or any music at all, attitude that is chasing a way a lot of people from the Church. Think about it, people are going to want to go to a place where they can feel they are part of the service, and frankly today people are going to find ‘modern music’ a lot more appealing than a guy playing the organ.
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Those people do not understand the Liturgy, its importance or what it represents. They don’t realize they are already involved and part of the service. It isn’t anti-modern music, its pro-reverence. Modern music has its place, just not during the time we should be focused on something much more important.
 
Nacho45 said:
Those people do not understand the Liturgy, its importance or what it represents. They don’t realize they are already involved and part of the service. It isn’t anti-modern music, its pro-reverence. Modern music has its place, just not during the time we should be focused on something much more important.
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All earthly things were once modern innovations. This includes the pipe organ.
 
Nacho45 said:
Those people do not understand the Liturgy, its importance or what it represents. They don’t realize they are already involved and part of the service. It isn’t anti-modern music, its pro-reverence. Modern music has its place, just not during the time we should be focused on something much more important.
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Of course! But reverence isn’t stopped by modern music, the Life Teen Mass at my parish is very reverent but still incorporates drums and guitars, most notably in the gathering and the closing hymn. The way I see it is that this can speak to some people, particularly younger people better.
 
Nacho45 said:
Those people do not understand the Liturgy, its importance or what it represents.
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John Michael Talbot does not understand the liturgy? That is the first laugh I have had today. Thanks. I needed that.
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thistle said:
The first thing you should have done is to check if that Catholic Church really is a Catholic Church in full union with Rome. There are many Churches that use the word Catholic which have nothing to do with the Church Christ founded.
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Very true, just as there are individuals who use catholic as their religious identity yet argue prolifically against catholic teachings.
 
wolfe_gate said:
frankly today people are going to find ‘modern music’ a lot more appealing than a guy playing the organ.
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Frankly…that is you opinion. There are many examples where the EF and more traditional OF is flourishing.
 
wolfe_gate said:
Think about it, people are going to want to go to a place where they can feel they are part of the service, and frankly today people are going to find ‘modern music’ a lot more appealing than a guy playing the organ.
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A lot of youtube organ playing comes from Protestant churches. Hmmm.
 
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