What type of antisemitism is wrong?

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There are types of antisemitism: per nazism, per contingent attributes (you think that Israel is evil but perhaps they could be good), per essential attributes (you think that Israel is evil and it will always be evil but not by definition (just as some angel will be a devil even though it is not “going to be a devil” by definition)).

Which one or ones are evil and why?
 
There are types of antisemitism: per nazism, per contingent attributes (you think that Israel is evil but perhaps they could be good), per essential attributes (you think that Israel is evil and it will always be evil but not by definition (just as some angel will be a devil even though it is not “going to be a devil” by definition)).

Which one or ones are evil and why?
At the beginning of the parentheses there should be an “e.g.”.
 
There are types of antisemitism: per nazism, per contingent attributes (you think that Israel is evil but perhaps they could be good), per essential attributes (you think that Israel is evil and it will always be evil but not by definition (just as some angel will be a devil even though it is not “going to be a devil” by definition)).

Which one or ones are evil and why?
these wouldn’t be antisemitism,they would be anti-zionism if anything.🙂
 
Perhaps the definition of Semite will help to clarify. This is from Merriam Webster online:
Sem·ite noun
\ˈse-ˌmīt, especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt
Definition of SEMITE
1a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
2: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
See Semite defined for English-language learners »
See Semite defined for kids »
 
I think you might need to define what you mean by antisemitism. To me, this means an irrational hatred of Jews simply because they are Jewish. This is obviously evil and wrong. Happening to disagree with some/most/all of Israel’s policies wouldn’t automatically be antisemitism or hateful in my book, but refusing to believe that they could change for the better would still be hateful even if it weren’t what I would call antisemitism. I guess that means that the first example would be ok as long as you have reasons other than “they’re Jewish” for thinking that they are evil, but the second one wouldn’t be. this is my take on things. I look forward to seeing others 🍿
 
Typically, 150 rocket bombs, or more, fall on Israel’s cities and towns every week.
Typically, Israel’s retaliation rate is…zero.
And the media does not report the massive weekly bombings OF Israel from
the Gaza strip and from across the Northern Border and from the West Bank.
Not a word, no howling, no nothin’, no calls for human rights respect of the Israelis and
their citizens of their tiny little country in the GARGANTUANLY GIGANTIC Arab world,
nah, nothin’
but when Israel finally gets tired of seeing it’s citizens MURDERED by the 150 rockets bombs dropped on them a week, and fires one or two BACK,
the media, and the politicians, and the ANTI ISRAEL CROWD, starts hypocritally,
filthily hypocritically, calling for ISRAEL to exercise RESTRAINT and not retaliate against these MONSTERS and, by the way, to give them back SOME MORE land from which they can then launch EVEN MORE rocket attacks on Israeli towns, killing men women and children. And there will be no calls for ARAB "restraint’, no, those calls are only, ever, directed against ISRAEL. TINY Israel must give and give and give to a bunch of bloodthirsty antiSemitic religious fanatic THUGS, and that is what they are, THUGS,
who fire 150 rockets or more into Israel each week.

By the way, Israel, though a Jewish State, has over 5 million Arab citizens,
not “Arab residents” but Arab CITIZENS who enjoy all the rights that all other residents enjoy under their constitution, the only truly parliamentary democracy in the Middle East.

Now…somebody please tell me, again, please,
just why it is that “Israel” is supposed to be “Evil”, again?!?!?!

AntiSemitism is pure mental and moral FILTH, period, and demonically-inspired as well,
because THAT is the race that God chose, from before the world began, to unite
to his incorporeal nature at the INCARNATION.
Holy Mary, Blessed Saint Joseph, Saint PETER, Saint PAUL,
ALL TWELVE of the APOSTLES, are ALL Jews.
And nearly 90% of all the early Christians were JEWISH. Gentiles began flooding in in greater numbers in the 2nd century, but before that all of our ancient brethren, or 90% or more of them, were Jewish.

It’s funny that the MONSTROUS behavior of Israel’s Muslim neighbors, is not nearly as offensive, it would seem, to many Catholics, as is Israel’s occasionalfighting back, defensively to protect themselves and their citizenry…
This makes me want to vomit.
We all know, deep down, that the calling of Israel “evil” really and truly, deep
down, stems from a DISLIKE of Jews. THAT is the truth. Because Israel’s neighbors’s behavior, is infinitely worse, always, than ANYthing that Israel has done.
And to call it “Palestine,” after the pagan Philistines that the Jews originally drove out
under God’s command, is outrageously insulting. This name was given to the holy land by the pagan overlords who ruled them from before, and during, the time of Jesus Christ.
And it refers to it being the land of the Philistines, a slap in the face to God Himself.

**ISRAEL **is not going to blow up shopping malls in the United States.
Jews are not flying Jumbo-Jets into the Pentagon or putting
plastic explosives up their rectums and boarding American Airlines jets
with the intent of blowing up those planes, full of innocent travellers,
over the Atlantic Ocean.
**ISRAEL’s **citizens are not staging massacres on American military campuses.
Jews and “Israelis” are not doing these things.
People from Israel’s neighbors, ARE.

Tell me again, WHY anyone should believe that Israel, out of all the middle
eastern nations, should be regarded in any way as “EVIL” ?!?!?!?!?!

It is the only, truly SANE, country in the entire Middle East, with a SANE and RESTRAINED government, elected freely by the people of the nation – including their Arab citizen voters.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
Typically, 150 rocket bombs, or more, fall on Israel’s cities and towns every week.
Typically, Israel’s retaliation rate is…zero.
And the media does not report the massive weekly bombings OF Israel from
the Gaza strip and from across the Northern Border and from the West Bank.
Not a word, no howling, no nothin’, no calls for human rights respect of the Israelis and
their citizens of their tiny little country in the GARGANTUANLY GIGANTIC Arab world,
nah, nothin’
You’re kidding me.

The “IDF” kills more Palestinians then vice versa and we all know it. The Israelis aren’t innocent. They kill Arab civilians everyday and no one in the west cares simply because the Israelis are Jewish. They’re murderous, I’m not saying this completely justifies the acts of the PLO. But I can understand why they’re fighting.

It makes me want to vomit when i think about the people who think the Arabs are bad guys in that situation. It’s all based on media. Why do we side with the Israelis? Because were fighting the Arabs. Not because we care about the Jews. America’s only interest in that general area is oil.
 
You’re kidding me.

The “IDF” kills more Palestinians then vice versa and we all know it. The Israelis aren’t innocent. They kill Arab civilians everyday and no one in the west cares simply because the Israelis are Jewish. They’re murderous, I’m not saying this completely justifies the acts of the PLO. But I can understand why they’re fighting.

It makes me want to vomit when i think about the people who think the Arabs are bad guys in that situation. It’s all based on media. Why do we side with the Israelis? Because were fighting the Arabs. Not because we care about the Jews. America’s only interest in that general area is oil.
So, where’s the oil in Israel?
I have read not only this thread, but other threads on similar subjects, and I do believe you are one of the most ardent anti-zionists from your posts. The one thing that you totally ignore is the fact that Israel is the only State in the Mid and Near East in which Christians can live and practice their religion in freedom and without fear…The only other possible place under Moslem control where Christians aren’t molested, may be Bethlehem and that only because of the huge amount of money the tourists spend there.
It is pointless to argue with you because no matter what positive things one can say about Israel, even if the Pope himself said it, you would not believe it and would rant against it.
Thus, is the problem with all of the Mid and Near East-closed minds!
 
Typically, 150 rocket bombs, or more, fall on Israel’s cities and towns every week.
Typically, Israel’s retaliation rate is…zero.

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Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
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Anti-Zionism wishes to deny the Jews a state. No other movement in the world that is this concerted wants to deny any ethnic group their own state. It’s nothing more than thinly veiled anti-Semitism.
The “IDF” kills more Palestinians then vice versa
Seriously? The IDF takes more care than any other military in the world in protecting civilians.
They kill Arab civilians everyday
No, they kill Muslim jihadists, but certainly not everyday.
But I can understand why they’re fighting.
Terrorism is always wrong. Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mandela… how many suicide bombers did they send out? How many rockets did they launch? How often did they speak of driving their oppressors into the sea? How often did they teach their children how their oppressors were worse than apes and pigs?
It makes me want to vomit when i think about the people who think the Arabs are bad guys in that situation.
It’s the Arab Muslims who engage in jihad and support Hamas, the PLO, etc. who are seen as the bad guys. There are many Arabs who are not Muslim and are also terrorised, just as the Jews are terrorised.
It’s all based on media.
And the media bends over backwards to make the Israeli’s look bad.
Why do we side with the Israelis?
Because they are civilised.
Because were fighting the Arabs.
No, fighting Muslim jihadists. Saudis are Arabs, but Americans aren’t fighting them, though they should be since Saudi Arabia supports global Islamic supremacy movements and international jihad.
America’s only interest in that general area is oil.
While this is generally true, a better way to secure oil would be to allow the Muslim Arabs to destroy Israel. It would win the US more brownie points with the fanatic and genocidal Muslim regimes. The US is actually acting against its direct and immediate economic interests by siding with Israel. (Interestingly enough, this is one of those rare occasions when they do such a thing – chose morality over the cold calculating benefits to their bottom line and their corrupt corporate paymasters.)
 
That is one big load of b.s.

Israel does not go around massacring civilian arabs.
That’s pure nonsense.

As for our interests being oil, be that as it may,
Israel is not a supplier of oil to us,
and support of Israel costs us dearly at the hands of
the Muslims who DO supply our OIL.
If oil is the issue, it is NOT in our interest to support Israel.

Her Muslim neighbors, including the PA under Hamas,
are absolutely insane. Mr. Abbas recently referred nastily
to the Temple Mount as the site of “the ALLEGED Jewish Temple.”
This is 100% Madness. The reality of the two temples is attested to not only in
ancient Jewish writings but in the writings of the ancient PAGAN nations, the writings
of the early Christians, the writings of the Babylonians, by Roman writers,
and it’s destruction and the carting away of it’s holy objects, is depicted boldly
on the famous ARCH OF TITUS in Rome.
These people believe that Abraham was a Muslim and want to forbid
Jews from visiting his tomb. They believe that Abraham sacrificed
ISHMAEL on Mount Moriah, not Isaac, and that the ENTIRE Old Testament
is a FRAUD. This is absolute moral and intellectual insanity. Pure insanity.
If one of their people converts to Christ, they do not merely disown him,
they SAW HIS HEAD OFF. ((There are videos of this taking place if you want to see them, but I warn you, they are horrifying, though the young convert’s brave submitting to the sadistic murder is inspiring ---- he displays a level of courage and faith that I HOPE
i can display if ever called upon to die in the same way for Christ.))
Such beliefs, in the light of overwhelming evidence, are as morally insane as the Book Of Mormon’s claim that the phenotypically-Mongol-related
Indians of Central America are…the descendants of Jews (the Lamanites and Nephites).
But Mormons aren’t bombing jumbo jets over their silly and unsupportable belief.

Israel is not a murderous nation, that is pure antisemitic bull.
They fight BACK, after being attacked over and over and over again WITHOUT retaliating
and they do NOT target innocent people. Their famous bulldozing of family homes,
is done when they have proof that the family knowingly used that home as a base for terrorist activities and allowed the terrorists to use that home and harbored them on purpose, deliberately.

Our government does the SAME things. If you have a drug running operation and you are using your aunt’s house to run your grossly-illegal operation,
AND IF SHE KNOWS it and STILL lets you use her house for that,
they will SEIZE her home in an “asset forfeiture” because she knowingly connived to let you commit illegal acts in her house over and over again.

The PLO and HAMAS and others cause their people, including children, to be killed in Israeli retaliations because they deliberately set them up to be used as human shields,
a tactic Mr. Arafat learned from his Soviet Communist trainers back in the 60s.
A tactic the SANDINISTAS used to keep from being wiped out when they seized the National Palace in Managua, Nicaragua in 1978, when over 1100 people were in the Palace paying their taxes: they took ALL the women and children and stood them in the windows and doorways. In this way, the “diabolical” Somoza government would have to kill all those women and children to stop the communists. It was THEY who were diabolical. THEY put the women and children in front of the windows and doors.
In this way, Somoza’s forces did not attack them, and they were able to call in the Press and pull off this big publicity stunt (and charge a huge ransom for the release of the civilians to boot, plus gain world support for their communist revolt.

The PLO and Hamas pull this same garbage regularly.
They fill a building in a residential family neighborhood with all of their bombs and rockets and make sure that Israel knows that to get them they’ll have to fire a rocket into a civilian area. Pure cowardly monsters. Their imams regularly call, from their pulpits, for all Jews to be killed and butchered to death along with all Americans and all “polytheists” (that’s US, by the way, because we “polytheists” believe in the Trinity and that JESUS was crucified when THEY “know” that it was JUDAS ISCARIOT who got crucified and not their “prophet Jesus (pbuh).”

Israel does not go around killing civilians on purpose, they do not.
They regard that as murder and a crime against God Almighty to do something
like that on purpose.
When their people were kidnapped and taken to Uganda, they didn’t carpet bomb the civilians, they went in in a tactical raid and rescued their people at Entebbe.

The 1982 Invasion of Lebanon was done because they freaking had NO CHOICE. Lebanon was deliberately allowing the PLO, which totally occupied BEIRUT and caused the Civil War there (and were trying to cause one in Jordan which is why Jordan threw ALL of the PLO OUT of Jordan along with most of the “Palestinians” during the reign of the late King Hussein — they had totally destabilized his country and were terrorizing the people) — Lebanon was allowing knowingly the PLO to use their entire country as a base to rain down hundreds of rockets a week into Israeli towns, to stage bombing attacks in Israeli cities and town, and to cross the border in raids to kill the men, women and children living on the kibbutzes. Israel, after many years of this garbage, and after warning Lebanon over and over and over and over again to put a STOP to Arafat and Company’s activities in Lebanon, finally stormed in and drove them OUT. It was either that, or be bombed literally every day forever. NO country would put up with that. I wouldn’t. YOU wouldn’t, and
neither would THEY, and I don’t blame them one darned bit.
They asked for it.
Lebanon, for allowing them to stay there, asked, begged for it.
And who rescued the PLO once Israel invaded?
Why, the good old military and navy of the good old U.S.A.
They should have allowed Israel to finish off this maniac,
on whose orders their helpless, unarmed Olympic athletes were murdered
in cold blood in Munich in 1972 at the games, Munich, ironically,
being the city in which the Nazi Party was founded in the city’s biggest gay bar,
in the 1920s.
 
Seriously? The IDF takes more care than any other military in the world in protecting civilians.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I think the Arab civilians of Palestine would say different,
No, they kill Muslim jihadists, but certainly not everyday.
I’m not denying they defend Israel from terrorists, but I think the civilians they kill are not part of those terrorist groups.

Here they even admit it:
youtube.com/watch?v=qqEozG5hgj0
Terrorism is always wrong. Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mandela…
They’re is a point between protesting wrong and to the point where you have to stand up for yourself. I do applaud these men for the peace they used (Mandela blew up a bus remember?) Remember the American founding fathers were considered terrorists at one point. Now they’re national heroes
It’s the Arab Muslims who engage in jihad and support Hamas, the PLO, etc. who are seen as the bad guys. There are many Arabs who are not Muslim and are also terrorised, just as the Jews are terrorised.
Ha. I would support the Hamas if i was in the Palestinian position too. As I would support the IRA if I was in the Irish position, the founding fathers in their position. I would support those who fight against those who bully me. Even if they did that wouldn’t justify the IDF killing them. Which is the reason why they support PLO
And the media bends over backwards to make the Israeli’s look bad.
Not really
No, fighting Muslim jihadists. Saudis are Arabs, but Americans aren’t fighting them, though they should be since Saudi Arabia supports global Islamic supremacy movements and international jihad.
Yeah the only reason why were not fighting them is because of, you guessed it, Black Gold. Oil.
This Map is a good example of the Western view on the Islamic World:
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That is one big load of b.s.

Israel does not go around massacring civilian arabs.
That’s pure nonsense…
No No it’s not.

They even admit to it in this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=qqEozG5hgj0

Wow, I’m pretty sure I’m not anti-Semitic. But I wasn’t surprised you would bring that up. As most Conservatives do when they hear someone stand up against the evil of Israel. I am anti-Zionist, Anti-Nationalist in general. Don’t let your personal pity for the Jewish people to get in the way of seeing their murders.

Do you hear me talking about the Invasion of Lebanon? No. I understand they were responding to mortar fire. But I don’t think they had to completely destroy the country.

The Olympic team? I heard of the incident but since I am young I didn’t see the games.
But you’re not understanding me. I don’t believe everything the PLO does is justified.

And you want to talk about cold blood?
What about Mohamed Al-Durra who was gunned down and killed by the Israeli soldiers? What was his crime? He wasn’t a thief, wasn’t a murderer, didn’t fight for Hamas, or the PLO. He was just a civilian
 
It is pointless to argue with you because no matter what positive things one can say about Israel, even if the Pope himself said it, you would not believe it and would rant against it.
Thus, is the problem with all of the Mid and Near East-closed minds!
I’m not saying Israel is completely evil. But the Holy Father also felt for the Palestinians saying he understood why there was fighting and simply wished for it to end. The Pope was on neither side. I am anti-Zionist. But you cannot tie that with Ant-Semitism. I really don’t think that Christians had the so oppression problem with Muslims in charge. Even some Rabbis admitted Israel was better under Muslim control. Christians practiced their religion in Israeli since the ending of the Crusades when Muslims made a deal with the Pope, allowing Christians to practice there, etc, etc.

How am I closed minded?
 
The Israeli government is not “oppressing” Christians.
Good lord, they help pay for the maintennance of our holy places and shrines.
They help pay for the upkeep of the DOME OF THE ROCK when, technically,
their religion calls for the REBUILDING OF the Temple on that site.
They refrain from that, because they believe that when God wants it rebuilt,
HE will make the request, not the Knesset (( resisting LOUD cries from
extreme members of the Orthodox branch of Judaism to bulldoze it NOW and
rebuild the temple there )).

Do they ask our churches to refrain from displaying crosses ?? Yes, they are doing that sometimes because there ARE some extremist factions there who, though very small, are also fanatics, who believe that it is their job to attack and spit on (and even throw stones at) those who aren’t Jewish AND AT JEWS who don’t “toe” THEIR extremist party line,
which is 99% of Israelis.

We Christians were better off under Muslim rule?
What a joke. You, fellow Catholic, are being grossly misled and propagandized.
We were “Dhimmis” under Muslim rule.
Insulted and mocked daily as polytheists.
And the country, before the founding of the state of Israel,
was largely an undeveloped, barren, economic wreck and quite dilapidated, too,
even under British rule.
The Israelis literally “made the desert bloom.”

And for most of the 2000 years since the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D., contrary
to propaganda you constantly hear,
the majority of the residents of the Holy Land (even though it was OCCUPIED with an iron fist throughout that time, by non Jews), were JEWS, not Arabs. But the Jews were under foreign rule and oppression and could not do anything for political reasons
to better the area.

There are no such thing as “Palestinians,” technically.
There are just Arabs who live there, who want the whole land area back
(( they want it ALL, don’t let them kid you otherwise )), to kill and/or drive out
ALL the Jews and Christians and to re-name it “PALESTINE” , derived from the name of the idol worshipping Philistines who once lived there thousands of years ago,
and who were driven out, by the Jews, under direct command of God Almighty.
It was THEM whose idol temple of Dagon that the prophet and judge SAMSON
knocked down.
 
And yes, the pope is concerned about the welfare of Arabs, and is right to be,
but that doesn’t mean that the pope is always given accurate advice nor accurate information about the political scene.

There are, unfortunately. still a good number of Catholics, even “official” Catholic leaders, who maintain an anti-Semitic streak which they grew-up with and which it is
hard to let go of, for cultural reasons, handed down over centuries.

Good lord, one former CATHOLIC bishop in Israel was a supporter of the Muslim PLO terrorists. It was disgusting, and it was out of racial pride that he was so, too,
because he himself was of Arab descent.

You cannot imagine the vicious and libellous hate, racism, vitriol,
and out and out Satanically anti-Jewish propaganda that spews forth from
the Arab media in Israel’s Judea and Samaria (now the west bank under control of the “Palestinian Authority”). They are SO filled with racism and hate and historically-B.S. claims that their talk SHOCKS all decent people
and makes even YOUR anti-Zionism
look like a LOVE AFFAIR WITH ZIONISM by comparison.
These people are just plain NUTS.
 
There are types of antisemitism: per nazism, per contingent attributes (you think that Israel is evil but perhaps they could be good), per essential attributes (you think that Israel is evil and it will always be evil but not by definition (just as some angel will be a devil even though it is not “going to be a devil” by definition)).

Which one or ones are evil and why?
If you’re asking about the modern state called Israel (as opposed to the Jewish people - I consider the two distinct from one another), I consider it like any other state in the world. Now some people give some special status of sorts to Israel the state (some Christians for example are big on supporting the state mainly because of their eschatological views), but I personally don’t really consider it above or below any other country: I don’t think it is totally good, but I don’t think it is somehow evil incarnate either. (What country is?)
 
There are types of antisemitism: per nazism, per contingent attributes (you think that Israel is evil but perhaps they could be good), per essential attributes (you think that Israel is evil and it will always be evil but not by definition (just as some angel will be a devil even though it is not “going to be a devil” by definition)).

Which one or ones are evil and why?
ANY type of antisemitism – or any version of racism – is wrong.
 
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