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nearlycatholic
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none, life surrender is what’s needed
What types of "gun control" would actually be effective? What sort of "gun control" would I actually support?
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LilyM
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Can’t have you saying that - sounds too much like common sense.
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Mollymultiple160
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I’m only going to address one thing you said (because our discussion is going nowhere and I don’t want to waste time), and that is your misperception of my being angry. I was relaxing before bed and wasn’t angry in the least. The only explanation for this idea of yours is that you’re projecting your own emotions onto me, because I wasn’t angry then, and I’m not now. There is nothing to be angry about here. Have a bit of a toothache, but that’s all. 
God bless.
God bless.
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Duesenberg
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This makes no sense. You seem to be suggesting that at some point, said rifles need to be destroyed after being shot X times. Further, it’s very telling that you confined your comments to “rifles”, when it’s semi-automatic handguns which are most used BY FAR in violent crimes.
By definition “assault rifles” are fully automatic machine guns which have been under tight federal control since 1934. Referring to a semi-automatic firearm as an “assault weapon” is either a mark of ignorance, or one of agenda.
LOL!! Yeah, that’ll happen! LOL!! If it did, they would be clandestinely produced…
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Duesenberg
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That’s the fallacy. Place as many restrictions as you want on law-abiding people in the form of additional “gun control” and it won’t do a darned thing to reduce violent crime.
You see, by definition, criminals do not follow the law. So all these new laws will have no impact on criminals. Their only impact is on law-abiding citizens.
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pnewton
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Laugh away. You started this thread. You are acting troll-ish, asking a question then belittling the answers you get. I will try and remember that and not provide you future amusement.
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Duesenberg
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What you suggest is impossible. It’s just not going to happen. That’s a huge problem with this gun control debate. People (particularly politicians) make comments that are not just ridiculous or disagreeable, but they’re impossible.
We had that in the past when the Director of the BATFE wanted to serialize every round of ammo. That’s just not going to happen.
We have it today in California where the DOJ demands that each hammer/striker of semi-automatic pistols be “micro-engraved” so that it will imprint a code onto every shell fired. The problem is that this “micro-stamping” requirement cannot be physically done in a factory environment. Even if it could it would wear off quickly and/or it could easily be removed with a nail file in 2 minutes.
Worst of all, even if they could be implemented, they wouldn’t reduce violent crime.
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Mollymultiple160
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Thank you very much for your support and kind words! Yes, there is so much negativity not only in the media in general (hence why I avoid it) but especially towards China that many people have been made to see China not only as a threat but many other things which it isn’t. It’s a shame, because China is our friend and biggest trading partner and not the warlike and barbaric people the media like to give folks the idea of them being. On the contrary, China has no desire to engage in war and stability and economic and social development are most important to them. While it is true that there is a lot of room for improvement in many areas, including human rights and religious freedom, there has already been tremendous progress since the 1980’s and I’m very optimistic about the future of China in all of these areas. I’m no expert of course, but I think that the president of China is doing an amazing job, and certainly better than ours have been…
I had negative experiences with some people in China, including the Chinese police, but for the most part, I found that people (especially in “smaller” cities with few foreigners like Fuzhou where I lived for a few months) very much admired and looked up to Americans in particular, and were so friendly and kind that I often received gifts, invitations to suppers, and even had a random group of college students give me mooncakes and sing “Hey Jude” for me as I was shopping one night. On the day of the Dragon Boat Festival, a local TV crew interviewed me because they respected me enough to care about what I thought simply because of my being a foreigner. Whenever people discovered I’m an American, the response was always positive. I even had complete strangers offer to pay for and bring me my food when I was sick and short on money!
I also found that the Chinese Christians I knew had an exceptionally high character, and were always ready to pray for me as well as being open to learn more about Catholic things (as most of them weren’t Catholic or members of an “official” church) without the prejudice and misconceptions one encounters coming from western protestants. There was only one slight exception, but I blame that on Protestant missionaries that teach them that Catholics aren’t Christians. Nevertheless, I found that Chinese Christians place a great deal of importance on teaching their children about God, even if their spouses or elders aren’t Christians. Considering the Confucian values of China, that says a lot! Chinese people as a whole cherish their children and work harder than slaves if needed and make every sacrifice to make sure they have a better life, and typically go out of their way to preserve their innocence as long as possible. There is also a lot about Chinese society and culture that is not commendable, but no country is perfect. I hope I can go back one day!
I had negative experiences with some people in China, including the Chinese police, but for the most part, I found that people (especially in “smaller” cities with few foreigners like Fuzhou where I lived for a few months) very much admired and looked up to Americans in particular, and were so friendly and kind that I often received gifts, invitations to suppers, and even had a random group of college students give me mooncakes and sing “Hey Jude” for me as I was shopping one night. On the day of the Dragon Boat Festival, a local TV crew interviewed me because they respected me enough to care about what I thought simply because of my being a foreigner. Whenever people discovered I’m an American, the response was always positive. I even had complete strangers offer to pay for and bring me my food when I was sick and short on money!
I also found that the Chinese Christians I knew had an exceptionally high character, and were always ready to pray for me as well as being open to learn more about Catholic things (as most of them weren’t Catholic or members of an “official” church) without the prejudice and misconceptions one encounters coming from western protestants. There was only one slight exception, but I blame that on Protestant missionaries that teach them that Catholics aren’t Christians. Nevertheless, I found that Chinese Christians place a great deal of importance on teaching their children about God, even if their spouses or elders aren’t Christians. Considering the Confucian values of China, that says a lot! Chinese people as a whole cherish their children and work harder than slaves if needed and make every sacrifice to make sure they have a better life, and typically go out of their way to preserve their innocence as long as possible. There is also a lot about Chinese society and culture that is not commendable, but no country is perfect. I hope I can go back one day!
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Mollymultiple160
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Never mind, thought my post didn’t go through!
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LeafByNiggle
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Consider the analogy of speed limits on the highway. A professional race car driver may very well be able to exceed the posted speed limit safely because of his superior training. Yet when he drives on the highway, he is subject to the same restrictions as the average or even the below-average driver. So would you say it is unfair to penalize the race care driver for exceeding the speed limit even though he can safely drive that fast? Yet you say it unfair to penalize good citizens by restricting their use of guns. It is a matter of practicality. There is no way to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals when there is such an insane number of guns around.Elf01:
That’s the fallacy. Place as many restrictions as you want on law-abiding people in the form of additional “gun control” and it won’t do a darned thing to reduce violent crime.
You see, by definition, criminals do not follow the law. So all these new laws will have no impact on criminals. Their only impact is on law-abiding citizens.
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MonteRCMS
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Wishful thinking is not going to be effective.
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Duesenberg
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That is a HORRIBLE analogy. Let’s get back to the point though. Place as many restrictions as you want on law-abiding people in the form of additional “gun control” and it won’t do a darned thing to reduce violent crime. You see, by definition, criminals do not follow the law. So all these new laws will have no impact on criminals. Their only impact is on law-abiding citizens.
If you insist on an automotive analogy, “gun control” is like trying to deal with the issues of drunk driving or speeding by making it more difficult or impossible for law-abiding people to purchase new vehicles.
Finally, speed limits and drunk driving laws have been proven to work. This is NOT the case with gun control laws. Quite the opposite in fact. There is hard data that shows that gun control does not work.
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anikins
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It’s so soul crushing to return this this forum everyday and see Catholics arguing for weapons of war on the streets.
Just maddening. Judgement day cannot come soon enough.
Just maddening. Judgement day cannot come soon enough.
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Duesenberg
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It’s very disappointing (and by now, amusing) to see people maliciously misuse labels like “weapons of war.” I’m not sure if they think they’re fooling someone, or are they just doing it to inflame? The ignorance on this subject by those so desperate to ban gun is stunning.
Here are two firearms. They differ greatly in physical appearance. They differ not at all in their firepower. Guess which one is ignored by the politically-driven gun banners? Guess which one is constantly vilified by those desperate to ban guns?
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Shakuhachi
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I am all for gun control.
But we have always had guns but not this many mass shootings.
Is it increased mental illness or something else? We have always had mental illness also. But it seems to be getting worse. It may be more a health access issue than gun control issue:
These studies conclude that anxiety and depression are markedly higher than they were in earlier eras.
A new study reveals 8 million Americans have serious psychological distress, and many don’t have health insurance or access to effective treatment.
But we have always had guns but not this many mass shootings.
Is it increased mental illness or something else? We have always had mental illness also. But it seems to be getting worse. It may be more a health access issue than gun control issue:
These studies conclude that anxiety and depression are markedly higher than they were in earlier eras.
A new study reveals 8 million Americans have serious psychological distress, and many don’t have health insurance or access to effective treatment.
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upant
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pride? keep you alive?upant:
So what? If a little damaged pride can keep you alive, then it is a wise strategy, whether one is legally compelled to retreat or not. No one should carry a gun if they ignorant of every option but that one.
no, training and situational awareness is what will keep me alive
the person always looking to retreat is ignorant of every option
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upant
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hope the toothache is better todayI’m only going to address one thing you said (because our discussion is going nowhere and I don’t want to waste time), and that is your misperception of my being angry. I was relaxing before bed and wasn’t angry in the least. The only explanation for this idea of yours is that you’re projecting your own emotions onto me, because I wasn’t angry then, and I’m not now. There is nothing to be angry about here. Have a bit of a toothache, but that’s all.
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upant
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so why come back to this thread? plenty other topics to participate in
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MonteRCMS
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We should also enforce 2x4 control.
Why do some people feel so empowered so as to attack a stranger with wooden sticks?
Why do some people feel so empowered so as to attack a stranger with wooden sticks?
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pnewton
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Or maybe the person always looking for retreat rather than taking a life is a Christian who is following the Church’s moral doctrine, which is most definitely not “stand your ground.”
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